AEAC - FX Impact M3 Tuning Guide (interesting pre-video learning shared here)

Hi Steve,

Just received my new M3 😝 and waiting your tuning guide! 😄

I have two questions for you if you have a bit time:

I saw in the owner manual the recommended pressure for the second regulator, do you have a idea why the .177 need more pressure than the .22?

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Second one, i had ordered the standard version (600mm) but received the sniper one.. I can keep it.
My goal is tune it for Jsb 18gr, do you think I have to start with a lower pressure than the one you find with your 500mm (700mm will give much speed)? Start with the 16gr tune?

Thanks for your knowledge and your help! 🫡

Good luck with your video editing 😅😉
 
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Hi Steve,

Just received my new M3 😝 and waiting your tuning guide! 😄

I have two questions for you if you have a bit time:

I saw in the owner manual the recommended pressure for the second regulator, do you have a idea why the .177 need more pressure than the .22?

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Second one, i had ordered the standard version (600mm) but received the sniper one.. I can keep it.
My goal is tune it for Jsb 18gr, do you think I have to start with a lower pressure than the one you find with your 500mm (700mm will give much speed)? Start with the 16gr tune?

Thanks for your knowledge and your help! 🫡

Good luck with your video editing 😅😉
Hi morespeeder!

Question 1 - my guess is that this is likely due to the largish size of the pellet transfer port. Mine was hard to make run well with a 16gr at lower reg pressures but easy with an 18gr. Most .177 pellets are pretty light by comparison. That largish pellet port probably needs a quick sharp blast of air to keep porting velocity up & consistent, and even at low reg pressures, it wants to flow a lot more than is needed to run a 16gr at 850. A higher reg pressure may help get that valve closed quicker to help offset.

Question 2 - outta the 500mm, the 18gr for certain liked 865-880 fps. More or less was destabilizing. I'd skip the 16gr unless backdrop was a concern. My advice with the 600 would be to work (experiment) from low to high on the reg and just see if you're able to balance things out with the hammer spring in that 865-880 window. To begin, I might see if I can get 75-80 bar to balance out at the correct speed and go from there. My M3 does best from there on up in terms of reg pressure.

Tuning Guide Update - Done with slugs & max power tune & test. This week, I'm organizing my thoughts and writing the outline for the main video presentation of the information... here's my notes for the opener;

Tuning = Speed-Accuracy-Consistency-Efficiency-Trim-Harmonics-Power Output

Opener:
* today, I'm going to cover what airgun tuning is, why we do it, and how to go about it
* we'll cover the 5 golden rules of tuning
* we'll talk about 7 key things to remember while tuning
* we'll do an M3 familiarization (run down)
* I'll share with you the story of 11 custom tunes across 2 barrels, and 4 types of ammo (16gr pellets, 18gr pellets, 25gr Redesign pellets, and 30gr slugs)
* we'll field validate 5 of those tunes at 50 to 150 yds
* we'll explore the upper & lower limits of the M3 Compact .22
* we'll hear from 6 winning, pro-staff shooters and their tuning methods (filmed at NAC)

Hope that tides ya over ☺️ . I got a little behind again with a Colonoscopy this week and a week-trip to Michigan 2 weeks ago. Plan is to finish the outline today and film the remainder this weekend. Then it'll be a week or so in the chair putting it together on the PC. May release is still the goal.

Steve

P.S.

... my disastrous office today trying to organize 3 months of learning/tuning/testing :eek:

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Hi Steve,

What I would like to point out is something I often miss in a tuning guide and that is the value of the sound the rifle makes with an efficient tune .
This is a noticeable and easily audible difference which gives you one of the best indications.
It would be nice if you could include this in your explanation if you haven't already done so.

Other than that, I can only thank you for all the time and effort you put into explaining things thoroughly in a way that is easy for anyone to understand and follow.
Your tutorials are of pure gold value to the air gun community!
 
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I've begun probing the FX Impact M3 for learning nuggets out ahead of my upcoming YouTube M3 tuning guides. The learning I discover, I'll share here as I go, as a resource for new tuners seeking information on how to tune the M3. Experienced tuners, please feel free to chime in and share your victories too. Tuning is as much an art as it is a science. There are many good tuners out there and many good ways to go about it.

Right out of the gate, I sought an easier approach to tuning the M3. One which would streamline my time in the chair and reduce pellet consumption along the way. My previously published YouTube tuning guides on the Maverick, Dreamline, Crown Continuum, Avenger, Avenger Pup, Redwolf, and Atomic taught me that perfect tune searching can be taxing on both the soul & pocketbook, so coming up with an "easier way" for this new guide has been a priority. Side note: Going forward, AEAC Tuning Guides will be published on the main channel, AEAC Home, and no longer on AEAC Vlog.

Right out of the gate, I ran a baseline chart for the M3 Compact (300cc bottle & 500mm liner) to see how Sweden had set it up. The takeaways for me are that Sweden likes a 90 bar reg for good all-around power & efficiency with an 18gr out of this configuration. That's important to note as we go forward and explore the lower limits of the aft reg on the M3, and lighter ammo. From the below, it's also clear that they like the gun set up with the Power Adjuster (PA) on 16, presumably because this is what the majority of their customers want. Personally, I've always sought to tune the FX's to more of a "middle point" on the wheel. Below is my M3's baseline run as it came out of the box.

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After running a base line, I was curious about the relationship between the PA wheel and the QTS micro adjuster, as well as how low I could get reg 2 to run reliably. So, I came up with the below. It's a simple 80 shot evaluation of the above described and to my surprise, it revealed an interesting anomaly. If you'd like to run the test on your M3, simply take 5 shots at each PA setting (16 down to 1) while keeping the QTS reset to #3 with each new PA setting. Keep the Valve Adjuster (VA) on max-open for the run. It's also good when exploring the lower limits of a reg to keep your bottle pressure in a reasonable window like 225-150 bar or so. I've found that sometimes, regs get goofy near their lower limits (although not with this one) and can produce unreliable results when the pressure on them is at the two extremes. It's also good when running low reg pressure to allow the system a few seconds to take a breath in between shots. I like 5-10 seconds. Once done with your test, enhance your chart's magnification to around 50 fps total, so that you can see what's going on. Here's what I got:

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The above test (I'm calling the Power Adjuster Flat Spot Search Tool) revealed an enhanced performance zone between the PA settings of 8-10 when running a 70 bar reg and while shooting a 16gr. Velocity clearly ran much tighter for me in this 15-shot zone. I posted the initial results here on AGN in another post (admittedly with overenthusiasm and without a full understanding) and ruffled some member-feathers. The outrage encouraged me to slow down, consult with Sweden about the find, and take a more in depth look at this phenomenon. Sweden had the below to say when I shared the above with them... it was a phone conversation, some of which I'll quote and some of which I'll paraphrase.

These test results are "intriguing & exciting," and that you may have "discovered a hack that could be quite useful in locating a mechanical sweet spot in a gun's overall system-mechanics... a sweet spot where PW & QTS interact with a bit less resistance, hence offer enhanced performance." Sweden theorized that by running this test, one could easily locate & identify this theoretical system sweet spot, and perhaps build upon its usefulness. For now, they are calling the data "undeniable." After the holiday vacation, Sweden will run my "flat spot search tool" test in an effort to better understand it. I'll catch up with them afterwards and share what comes of it.

Moving forward from the find, I decided to exploit my discovered 70 bar, 16gr flat zone anomaly and run an entire chart at that PA #9 sweet spot. I was rewarded with the below which for tracking purposes at this point, I'm calling Eco Tune 1. Bearing in mind that I had performed NO other searching around for ideal settings other than having run my initial flat spot search tool, I kinda had an oh sh*t moment and thought to myself. "Dang, that's a very decent usable shot chart... and this flat spot search tool test could be a useful method for others to simplify M3 tuning."

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Wanting to evolve Eco Tune 1 into something more field worthy, I slowly worked the Valve Adjuster in a 1/4 turn at a time, searching for further tightening of shot-to-shot velocity. This step trims any waste air, increases efficiency, and improves accuracy. As you do it, listen for the report to go from a "cough" to a "snick" or even a light "snick-ping." The change in sound means that you're "there" and probably in an improved area. The below Eco Tune 2 is what I took into the field with me last week to 50-yard film for the upcoming tuning guide... and the results were excellent, especially for a 16gr leaving at 850 fps and arriving 50 yards sway at 675-700 fps, in a 3-7 mph wind (multiple troll-strolls included) :). Note: the VA ultimately needed another 1/4 turn in to stabilize 50-yard accuracy, which super-validates the usefulness of this nifty device.

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Having validated the above methodology on film, I set out to retest my flat spot search tool again, but this time with an 80 bar reg instead of 70. The 80 bar test revealed yet another clearly visible 15-shot flat zone. Again, I exploited this enhanced performance zone to quickly & efficiently come up with another good tune for the M3. I'm calling this latest discovery, Eco Tune 3, and its numbers suggest some serious system-harmony.

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For me, this discovery and its apparent system-sweet-spot-hack has me quite encouraged. I'm very much enjoying the speed & simplicity of getting to the result, as well as field-validating the accuracy that came via the new approach. As soon as the rain clears, I'll fine tune Eco Tue 3 via the VA, then get back out there at 50 to film-validate it for the upcoming YouTube AEAC M3 tuning guides. Then, hop on the 18gr... then on to the max power extraction stuff.

As I come across these learning nuggets, I'll share them here on AGN and on AEAC Instagram, "hookedonair" first... out ahead of the video, so you guys don't have to wait.

Enjoy and happy tuning 😊
Steve
Terrific write up, as usual! Great information, Steve!

Stoti
 
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I think that this tuning guide will be really useful because I’m a bit lost.. I don’t know where I have to start.. reg pressure? Pellets best speed?

If this theory of searching the best PA zone is true, you need to know the best pellets speed before doing this 80shots test?

What I have done now is use the PA on 8 and set the QTS until I reach 880fps.. (2) so I have a range from 1 to 16 to find the best group. (780 to 920fps)

80shots test after that? Then closing the valve? When am I supposed to use the barrel tuner in all of this setting?

Thanks for all your time, M3 is a great tools but it needs lots of knowledge and time to put out his best!
 
Hopefully this time the graphs will have closer values to data at X and Y axis to understand the variation of 80 shot theory.

If Steve has validated his theory… that will tell you something, the couple power wheel adjuster / quick tune system is not reliable!

Whenever the setup is set between 1 or 5 on the QTS, the hammer should be stable on all the range, seems that is not the case..
 
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If Steve has validated his theory… that will tell you something, the couple power wheel adjuster / quick tune system is not reliable!

Whenever the setup is set between 1 or 5 on the QTS, the hammer should be stable on all the range, seems that is not the case..
appreciate.. my observation is regarding choosing the graph Y axis values for a better views rather than process. ( line will be flat if y max values are much higher than the observed values eg. if the average fps observed is 850 , and you take y max as 1000 than the variations or the deviation around the average values will be a flat line.. but if the Y max value is say 900 than the plotted value line will have more prominent ups and downs for better understanding. thanks.
 
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Hi Steve,

Just received my new M3 😝 and waiting your tuning guide! 😄

I have two questions for you if you have a bit time:

I saw in the owner manual the recommended pressure for the second regulator, do you have a idea why the .177 need more pressure than the .22?

View attachment 355046

Second one, i had ordered the standard version (600mm) but received the sniper one.. I can keep it.
My goal is tune it for Jsb 18gr, do you think I have to start with a lower pressure than the one you find with your 500mm (700mm will give much speed)? Start with the 16gr tune?

Thanks for your knowledge and your help! 🫡

Good luck with your video editing 😅😉
He did an awesome edit. 👍
 
I have an impact m4 in .35 caliber and tuning it has begin to be frustrating. As soon as it seems it is on, nothing but fly aways..... Does any body have any advice so I can stop wasting pellets and start splitting holes? Please and thank you very much...
How did it shoot out of the box ? What was the FPS ? What was the regulator set at ?