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Air rifle from China's imitation manufacturing
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I've heard that the bottles on these imitation things explode.
Nothing beats "MADE IN THE USA". Airforce.
Nothing beats "MADE IN THE USA". Airforce.
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Its a shame when a company or individual researches,develops and manufactures a product and someone pirites their product. The Chinese are the worst for that.
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BlackDiesel,
Not a bottle, but a brand new Chinese foster fitting that came with my replacement Hatsan lightning blew up. I fly to China about once a month and buy a lot of knock off stuff there, from Bose to clothing. There is no doubt there is a huge quality difference in most of the stuff and less in others, but except the yetis, mostly a huge difference (for the worse). The Yetis will keep my coffee hot for the 15 hour flight home
Not a bottle, but a brand new Chinese foster fitting that came with my replacement Hatsan lightning blew up. I fly to China about once a month and buy a lot of knock off stuff there, from Bose to clothing. There is no doubt there is a huge quality difference in most of the stuff and less in others, but except the yetis, mostly a huge difference (for the worse). The Yetis will keep my coffee hot for the 15 hour flight home
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Heavy,
I'm a pilot, Beijing and Shanghai mainly. Bit now thats its getting colder in MN and China, bidding carribean routes until spring.
928...
I agree, stuff is noticably better today than even afew years ago. I love China. All the people Ive met are great, friendly and honest.
I'm a pilot, Beijing and Shanghai mainly. Bit now thats its getting colder in MN and China, bidding carribean routes until spring.
928...
I agree, stuff is noticably better today than even afew years ago. I love China. All the people Ive met are great, friendly and honest.
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BlackDiesel,
Not a bottle, but a brand new Chinese foster fitting that came with my replacement Hatsan lightning blew up. I fly to China about once a month and buy a lot of knock off stuff there, from Bose to clothing. There is no doubt there is a huge quality difference in most of the stuff and less in others, but except the yetis, mostly a huge difference (for the worse). The Yetis will keep my coffee hot for the 15 hour flight home
I'm talking about bottles. I've had hoses from Joe B fail too. The way a CF wrapped bottle is made makes it very unlikely to explode. They will fail and the air will drain but I've never heard of one failing unless in a controlled experiment where they are intentionally stressed to failure.
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I am not sure where you are seeing a reference to carbon fiber bottles in this post but a few years ago a company from china was putting out these rifles. From what I remember they were all sold over seas somewhere and they had aluminum bottles on them. The aluminum bottles were either made from the correct aluminum for the indicated pressure but had flaws or the wrong grade of aluminum was used for the stated pressure and they did blow up. It was on the talon forum a few years ago.
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He didn't say anything about carbon fiber. Here's likely the one he is referring to
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/pcp-accident-from-face-book-t225253.html
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Well, the Chinese are capable of building some pretty phenomenal stuff, and while quality can be poor, some of it's pretty fantastic. Never underestimate the Chinese.
Would I buy a Chinese airgun? I believe anyone buying a Stormrider just did and so far, results are pretty good. There are many other examples of good craftsmanship from China, so just because this one looks like an Airforce Rifle, don't sell it short. These things can be a real threat to businesses all over the world.
Typical Chinese methodology over the past couple decades is called "Predatory Pricing" The government subsidizes a market segment until the local manufacturers are out of business then jack up the prices when there isn't any competition left. Watched that happen in of all things, Dutch Ovens. 10 years ago a Chinese dutch oven would sell for $10 on sale, manufactured in China, shipped to LA, then to Salt Lake, and they still made profit on that. Had to be highly subsidized. Drove all the remaining cast iron foundries out of business except Lodge. Now, the same Chinese oven is around $30, which is closer to what it should be.
Obviously not sure about this rifle, but I'd hate to spend good money on something that just doesn't work all that well, then again, if the manufacturer did their homework, and has decent quality control, this could end up being a problem for domestic manufacturers.
While I will buy the name brands, others may not!
Would I buy a Chinese airgun? I believe anyone buying a Stormrider just did and so far, results are pretty good. There are many other examples of good craftsmanship from China, so just because this one looks like an Airforce Rifle, don't sell it short. These things can be a real threat to businesses all over the world.
Typical Chinese methodology over the past couple decades is called "Predatory Pricing" The government subsidizes a market segment until the local manufacturers are out of business then jack up the prices when there isn't any competition left. Watched that happen in of all things, Dutch Ovens. 10 years ago a Chinese dutch oven would sell for $10 on sale, manufactured in China, shipped to LA, then to Salt Lake, and they still made profit on that. Had to be highly subsidized. Drove all the remaining cast iron foundries out of business except Lodge. Now, the same Chinese oven is around $30, which is closer to what it should be.
Obviously not sure about this rifle, but I'd hate to spend good money on something that just doesn't work all that well, then again, if the manufacturer did their homework, and has decent quality control, this could end up being a problem for domestic manufacturers.
While I will buy the name brands, others may not!
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All companies that import airguns are responsible to check the quality and safety. We cannot trust the foreign manufacturers to control their product. We need to test it before sell to us.
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I have a story about Chinese manufacturing and quality.
I work in the firearms and ammunition industry so I get to see some things that never make it to civi or military use and sometimes they do. Since we deal with everything from small 22 caliber ammunition up to 50 BMG and also deal in class 3 items we have allot of contacts and allot of people who contact us about things that fall into those categories whether its buying, selling or manufacturing it. The small time players who have the next best idea or a product they want to bring to market and need a break usually start off looking into Chinese manufacturers to get the product in the market for as cheap and fast as possible.
The story goes like this: My boss had a friend who came up with a redesign of the ruger 10/22 magazine. It wasnt a copy it was a complete new design for the 10/22 so redesign is probably the wrong term. Anyway we got a couple in the shop and tested them out and they looked good and worked perfectly. The design looked like a solid one that did what it should and was something people would probably pay money for. These prototypes were made in the U.S. using cnc equipment. So this guy decided he was going to get at least the first large batch made in a factory in china to cut cost and get in the market quick. If the mags sold well he would decide later if he wanted to move production back to the U.S shop and increase the price or keep it in the Chinese factory as long as quality was still there and keep the price point down. He sent a few of these prototypes to some Chinese facilities for pricing, quantity numbers and if the facility could provide the same quality with the same dimensions as the prototype. He got back some mags from the factory for approval and this first but very small batch of a dozen or so mags looked just like the prototype he sent over and functioned just as good. He gave the go ahead and ordered something like 1,000 units based on whatever they had negotiated for cost per unit and quantity to get that cost. When he received the shipment of mags they didnt look quite as good as the prototype or the ones he got for approval. The worst part was none of them would reliably feed 22 lr ammo thru any rifle they tried. They messed up the feed lips and they were all basically paper weights. I never heard how the deal ended up going but last I remember it sounded like he was going to lose his money he sent to the facility to produce the mags. Tough pill to swallow if thats how it ended.
Chinese factories can turn out great quality and allot of the quality or lack of is based on the deals made between the people who need it made and the factory. If you want top quality they can make it but you pay more for it just like anywhere else. You also have to be very careful who you deal with cause some companies over there are out to scam people just like the guy with the magazines. Thats really no different than scammers in the U.S. but at least if you are in the same country you can find them and take whatever action you need to fix the issue
I work in the firearms and ammunition industry so I get to see some things that never make it to civi or military use and sometimes they do. Since we deal with everything from small 22 caliber ammunition up to 50 BMG and also deal in class 3 items we have allot of contacts and allot of people who contact us about things that fall into those categories whether its buying, selling or manufacturing it. The small time players who have the next best idea or a product they want to bring to market and need a break usually start off looking into Chinese manufacturers to get the product in the market for as cheap and fast as possible.
The story goes like this: My boss had a friend who came up with a redesign of the ruger 10/22 magazine. It wasnt a copy it was a complete new design for the 10/22 so redesign is probably the wrong term. Anyway we got a couple in the shop and tested them out and they looked good and worked perfectly. The design looked like a solid one that did what it should and was something people would probably pay money for. These prototypes were made in the U.S. using cnc equipment. So this guy decided he was going to get at least the first large batch made in a factory in china to cut cost and get in the market quick. If the mags sold well he would decide later if he wanted to move production back to the U.S shop and increase the price or keep it in the Chinese factory as long as quality was still there and keep the price point down. He sent a few of these prototypes to some Chinese facilities for pricing, quantity numbers and if the facility could provide the same quality with the same dimensions as the prototype. He got back some mags from the factory for approval and this first but very small batch of a dozen or so mags looked just like the prototype he sent over and functioned just as good. He gave the go ahead and ordered something like 1,000 units based on whatever they had negotiated for cost per unit and quantity to get that cost. When he received the shipment of mags they didnt look quite as good as the prototype or the ones he got for approval. The worst part was none of them would reliably feed 22 lr ammo thru any rifle they tried. They messed up the feed lips and they were all basically paper weights. I never heard how the deal ended up going but last I remember it sounded like he was going to lose his money he sent to the facility to produce the mags. Tough pill to swallow if thats how it ended.
Chinese factories can turn out great quality and allot of the quality or lack of is based on the deals made between the people who need it made and the factory. If you want top quality they can make it but you pay more for it just like anywhere else. You also have to be very careful who you deal with cause some companies over there are out to scam people just like the guy with the magazines. Thats really no different than scammers in the U.S. but at least if you are in the same country you can find them and take whatever action you need to fix the issue
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I have a story about Chinese manufacturing and quality.
I work in the firearms and ammunition industry so I get to see some things that never make it to civi or military use and sometimes they do. Since we deal with everything from small 22 caliber ammunition up to 50 BMG and also deal in class 3 items we have allot of contacts and allot of people who contact us about things that fall into those categories whether its buying, selling or manufacturing it. The small time players who have the next best idea or a product they want to bring to market and need a break usually start off looking into Chinese manufacturers to get the product in the market for as cheap and fast as possible.
The story goes like this: My boss had a friend who came up with a redesign of the ruger 10/22 magazine. It wasnt a copy it was a complete new design for the 10/22 so redesign is probably the wrong term. Anyway we got a couple in the shop and tested them out and they looked good and worked perfectly. The design looked like a solid one that did what it should and was something people would probably pay money for. These prototypes were made in the U.S. using cnc equipment. So this guy decided he was going to get at least the first large batch made in a factory in china to cut cost and get in the market quick. If the mags sold well he would decide later if he wanted to move production back to the U.S shop and increase the price or keep it in the Chinese factory as long as quality was still there and keep the price point down. He sent a few of these prototypes to some Chinese facilities for pricing, quantity numbers and if the facility could provide the same quality with the same dimensions as the prototype. He got back some mags from the factory for approval and this first but very small batch of a dozen or so mags looked just like the prototype he sent over and functioned just as good. He gave the go ahead and ordered something like 1,000 units based on whatever they had negotiated for cost per unit and quantity to get that cost. When he received the shipment of mags they didnt look quite as good as the prototype or the ones he got for approval. The worst part was none of them would reliably feed 22 lr ammo thru any rifle they tried. They messed up the feed lips and they were all basically paper weights. I never heard how the deal ended up going but last I remember it sounded like he was going to lose his money he sent to the facility to produce the mags. Tough pill to swallow if thats how it ended.
Chinese factories can turn out great quality and allot of the quality or lack of is based on the deals made between the people who need it made and the factory. If you want top quality they can make it but you pay more for it just like anywhere else. You also have to be very careful who you deal with cause some companies over there are out to scam people just like the guy with the magazines. Thats really no different than scammers in the U.S. but at least if you are in the same country you can find them and take whatever action you need to fix the issue
You really have to send a representative to the manufacturing plant in China to oversee the work and do quality control. This is common practice and the only way to ensure you're getting what you pay for.
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I have a story about Chinese manufacturing and quality.
I work in the firearms and ammunition industry so I get to see some things that never make it to civi or military use and sometimes they do. Since we deal with everything from small 22 caliber ammunition up to 50 BMG and also deal in class 3 items we have allot of contacts and allot of people who contact us about things that fall into those categories whether its buying, selling or manufacturing it. The small time players who have the next best idea or a product they want to bring to market and need a break usually start off looking into Chinese manufacturers to get the product in the market for as cheap and fast as possible.
The story goes like this: My boss had a friend who came up with a redesign of the ruger 10/22 magazine. It wasnt a copy it was a complete new design for the 10/22 so redesign is probably the wrong term. Anyway we got a couple in the shop and tested them out and they looked good and worked perfectly. The design looked like a solid one that did what it should and was something people would probably pay money for. These prototypes were made in the U.S. using cnc equipment. So this guy decided he was going to get at least the first large batch made in a factory in china to cut cost and get in the market quick. If the mags sold well he would decide later if he wanted to move production back to the U.S shop and increase the price or keep it in the Chinese factory as long as quality was still there and keep the price point down. He sent a few of these prototypes to some Chinese facilities for pricing, quantity numbers and if the facility could provide the same quality with the same dimensions as the prototype. He got back some mags from the factory for approval and this first but very small batch of a dozen or so mags looked just like the prototype he sent over and functioned just as good. He gave the go ahead and ordered something like 1,000 units based on whatever they had negotiated for cost per unit and quantity to get that cost. When he received the shipment of mags they didnt look quite as good as the prototype or the ones he got for approval. The worst part was none of them would reliably feed 22 lr ammo thru any rifle they tried. They messed up the feed lips and they were all basically paper weights. I never heard how the deal ended up going but last I remember it sounded like he was going to lose his money he sent to the facility to produce the mags. Tough pill to swallow if thats how it ended.
Chinese factories can turn out great quality and allot of the quality or lack of is based on the deals made between the people who need it made and the factory. If you want top quality they can make it but you pay more for it just like anywhere else. You also have to be very careful who you deal with cause some companies over there are out to scam people just like the guy with the magazines. Thats really no different than scammers in the U.S. but at least if you are in the same country you can find them and take whatever action you need to fix the issue
You really have to send a representative to the manufacturing plant in China to oversee the work and do quality control. This is common practice and the only way to ensure you're getting what you pay for.
^This is often the case.
I do a fair bit of business with the Chinese, and it is just a really really different business culture. You have to understand, an "old" company over there has been around for 10 years. There is also a very different culture as compared to the west. Over there, if someone pulls one over on you, you're almost supposed to "appreciate" it for what a clever crafty good screw it was. When my wife was over there a while back, she had to be hospitalized which is another scary thing, because the fixers need to bribe the doctors to make sure they do a good job and you wake up with all your organs. Things really are just different. When you do business with the Chinese the #1 rule is to have some sort of recourse. I've gotten all kinds of different screws over the years, some small some big, but I usually walk away intact because I make damn sure I can file a chargeback if I need to. And there is definitely a mentality of "promise anything now to get/keep the money, see about delivering it later maybe." I've had vendors tell me that they could ship orders/equipment to ports that don't exist, dealt with all kinds of bullpoop, and it is just the way it is. You just have to make sure you can always walk away and take your money with you, whether you're buying 100k$ or 5$ worth of stuff. I do remember the company who used all stolen pictures of western supermodels for the profiles of their "customer service" team. That one was hilarious. I also recall dealing with a CS rep whose name was Ruby Wang.
This is not to say all the Chinese are con artists, far from it in fact, but you just never know who you're dealing with until something gets sticky in a transaction. I really have dealt with some genuinely good people in China, they do what they promise, deliver on time, and take care of problems. But you just shouldn't ever expect that.
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