Other AirForce Knockoff First Look + Other Pinty Guns

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rdpjr6504 said:
I have the M-18 & P-FORCE and although they may look close they are very different. The M-18 does not have a power wheel to adjust. The barrel threads are different. The P-FORCE threads are larger than the M-18. The M-18 has very smooth cocking but my P-FORCE is getting alot smoother with use. Triggers are similar in my opinion. The M-18 is .25 and P-FORCE .22 .
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It appears they are a clone of a Chilean company Defensor and their QM-23

www.defensorforever.cl

Rifle PCP QM23

Review del rifle:https://youtu.be/sRZTJXBtVYY?si=EYSKCugyOsowrSeRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxZLeYF3OF4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOSz3J383YUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TylnCJrsa1A Calibre 5.5/.22Peso: 2.73 KilosLargo: 70 cmAncho: 20 cmLargo del cañón: 45 cmCapacidad de aire: 260...
www.defensorforever.cl www.defensorforever.cl
 
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Got rifle Monday, box in good shape. Cleaned barrel, Quite dirty. Measured trigger pressure and got 10.4 Lbs. with no air in the gun. Stoned hammer sear but did not profile it. Took to indoor range today and shot at 25 yards. Crosman 14.3 averaged 919 JSB15.89 averaged 896 Norma 15.9 averaged 907. These were all shot with power wheel on lowest setting. Got about 55 shots with each pellet when power dropped off. Trigger got a little better while shooting, when back home it measured 8.4 lbs. Work in progress
 
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SpindleB said:
I just shot an email off to Nick at Huben. No sense guessing whether they are real or knockoff.

-- Matt
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The Regulator is a real Huben Power Cricket

From Nick at Huben Power:
Hello Matt,

This batch of regulators on Pinty's (scopes etc) Airguns are our products.

We sold a batch of products to an Airgun manufacturing factory last year, and Pinty customized the Airgun from them.

Pinty did not buy directly from us. So I am not sure whether they will use our regulators for a long time.

Best Regards,
Nick
 
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The Airforce clone for $240/$250 is really triggering my buy impulse.

The trigger seems to come heavy out of the box, but can be improved.
The power adjuster,no significant info yet, may work or not.

I know thammer said there are better options for the price, and I trust him.

What do the other fresh owners of this Airforce clone think?
 
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SpindleB said:
The Regulator is a real Huben Power Cricket

From Nick at Huben Power:
Hello Matt,

This batch of regulators on Pinty's (scopes etc) Airguns are our products.

We sold a batch of products to an Airgun manufacturing factory last year, and Pinty customized the Airgun from them.

Pinty did not buy directly from us. So I am not sure whether they will use our regulators for a long time.

Best Regards,
Nick
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Wow, that quality of regulator on a $250 dollar gun makes it an absolute steal. I might have to pick up a few more to modify and iron out for the classifieds... 😆
 
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thammer said:
Wow, that quality of regulator on a $250 dollar gun makes it an absolute steal. I might have to pick up a few more to modify and iron out for the classifieds... 😆
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To be honest I don't know why more manufacturers don't use them. I have a bunch and they are rock solid and no drift.

I'd swap out the Cricket for the Max-ATH just for that 50CC plenum. Almost double the cost of the rifle...
 
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Here is the trigger system. Mine is modified but shows the trigger placement and springs for disassembly and to warn you to watch that you don't lose the springs. I've never removed the actual "trigger" just the connecting components. "DO AT YOUR OWN RISK"!

Remove the grip and lower hand guard with the single screw each. Slide forward holding the trigger guard in place. There are springs under it that are under tension.

Here is the orientation of the components.
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Trigger guard holds that sear spring in place through the hole.

Trigger spring is behind the trigger.
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With the trigger is a small piece that houses a spring. Works with the safety. Do not lose them. They fall out if the rifle is turned upside down with the cover removed.
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Next is the barrel/power wheel/hammer/spring removal.

Remove the small allen head bolt that is in the power wheel.

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Then remove the 4 allen screws holding the barrel assembly.

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Hold very slight pressure against the barrel when removing the 4th screw. It will try to jump out under spring pressure.

Hammer/Spring/Adjuster will just slide out the front when the barrel is removed.

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Rob_in_NC said:
Great info @thammer in particular the sear. I didnt realize that you had taken that much off. If I could get another sear, I'd be more inclined to experiment more with this. As soon as work crazy and other priorities subside, I'll delve more in to it.
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It takes a minute to get it set up. The sear shows the wear against the hammer. Use a compass to draw the curve from that contact point using the pin hole as the pivot. That gives you the radius.

You can clearly see the contact on both sears.
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nobody1 said:
Why do so many peopl buy the Airforce clone ?
It looks cool, but:
-it is single shot
-the trigger sucks
-the power adjust may work or not
-the barrel seems to have a non standard thread (14mm according to a post)
-there is not shroud

So, what is the atraction?
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$279 with a $55 discount code.
Trigger is fixable
Has a moderator so why do you need a shroud?

Fire 60 rounds from a single shot and 60 from a magazine load rifle. See who finishes first. While you load a magazine that single shot just keeps shooting.
 
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SpindleB said:
$279 with a $55 discount code.
Trigger is fixable
Has a moderator so why do you need a shroud?

Fire 60 rounds from a single shot and 60 from a magazine load rifle. See who finishes first. While you load a magazine that single shot just keeps shooting.
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I want my airguns to be as quiet as possible.
I can still 3D printed better/larger moderators for the 14mm thread, so I can deal with that.

With my airguns I like to have enough magazines for an entire shooting session, and I load them before I start shooting.
I don't think single shot beats that.
I do like single shot, since that's how I started :)

By the way, there are no magazines available.
Are there any compatible magazines?
If not then the single shot may still be the best option.
 
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