Airgun Market Shift?

Judging by the latest posts on this and other forums, it seems that airgun interests are going in different directions. 4 or 5 years ago, all you read about was high end rifles and getting power out of them for long distance shooting. This was stimulated by the Extreme Benchrest competition. I think that we have all discovered that we have reached the wall on airgun power, and anything approaching Mach 1 is no good. Further, there has been a huge influx of newer, cheaper rifles from other parts of the world that seem to perform pretty well and are attracting new shooters and those not interested in competition. Also, it seems that stuff posted on the classifieds are not selling, even at bargain basement prices. What do y'all think about that?
 
I thought stuff wasn’t selling because of the election. Holidays are upon us for lots of people it’s the most expensive time of year. People also wait for Black Friday.
As far as air gun related stuff. I hate fire arms content YouTubers doing air gun stuff. I cringe every time I hear them talk.. just my ponderings.
 
As far as air gun related stuff. I hate fire arms content YouTubers doing air gun stuff. I cringe every time I hear them talk.. just my ponderings.
Same, same, same, I hate it.
Judging by the latest posts on this and other forums, it seems that airgun interests are going in different directions. 4 or 5 years ago, all you read about was high end rifles and getting power out of them for long distance shooting. This was stimulated by the Extreme Benchrest competition. I think that we have all discovered that we have reached the wall on airgun power, and anything approaching Mach 1 is no good. Further, there has been a huge influx of newer, cheaper rifles from other parts of the world that seem to perform pretty well and are attracting new shooters and those not interested in competition. Also, it seems that stuff posted on the classifieds are not selling, even at bargain basement prices. What do y'all think about that?
I think that does play a factor, but I agree with jps2486. Holidays are coming, winter is upon us, and priorities shift.
 
For Germany i can say: the most guys going cheap these days i think. Since companys like SMK ((labeled as Diana here)) produce "usable" plinking/pest control airguns for relativly low prices, a big percentage of the market get saturated with chinese stuff. Thats the same in all markets. Here in Germany one of the best sellers is the CP-1/CP-2 alias Diana Bandit or Stormrider together with the cheapest pellets/pump/capsules which are aviable. So you pay 125 Bucks for a Diana Chaser with some capsules and cheap pellets and 40 more for a cheap scope and you are ready to plink. Or 260 to 280 bucks and you are owner of a regulated Stormrider (which is the top end for a lot of people to spend on airguns here).

And a lot of people are afraid of pcp guns here, they only use co2 or spring because they don't trust the compressors, bottles, hoses and all these stuff...and these airguns are on the lower budget class here.
 
...4 or 5 years ago, all you read about was high end rifles and getting power out of them for long distance shooting...
This also seemed to me to be the time when slugs really started to become more available and popular. Folks who always seemed to want to get the most possible power out of their airguns were now joined by folks who wanted to try slugs, and wanted increased power to sling them faster (than was appropriate for diabolo shaped pellet in-flight stability).

For my simple needs, slugs and power never really took front stage. So much of my shooting is just fun plinking between 25-75 yards, so I was always just after that smooth, accurate, enjoyable harmonic tune shooting pellets. It always pains me when I purchase a used gun which has been all maxxed out for full power, and just isn't all that enjoyable to shoot until I can tone it down.
 
I also believe part of the "shift" is due to the Bloated pricing of the so-called high-end guns.
Daystate, BRK, for instance have lost their damn minds...

My other thoughts are people have begun to get realistic in what their "Real" shooting needs are.
I would bet you a dollar to a donut that most shooters in the real world of daily use do not shoot over 40 yards, and most would be in the 25 yard backyard range...
So with that being said a fairly big chunk of todays "cheap" guns will shoot as well as the high-end counterpart in the under 40 yard scenario.

I can make such a statement and back it up with proof, I own multiple high-end guns and they each have their own purpose in my collection.
I also bought an Avenge x as a loaner gun for friends and family, so I do not have worry about something happening to one of my expensive guns..
After playing with and getting that Avenge x dialed in it will damn sure hold its own under 50 yards with Any of my other guns...
 
Judging by the latest posts on this and other forums, it seems that airgun interests are going in different directions. 4 or 5 years ago, all you read about was high end rifles and getting power out of them for long distance shooting. This was stimulated by the Extreme Benchrest competition. I think that we have all discovered that we have reached the wall on airgun power, and anything approaching Mach 1 is no good. Further, there has been a huge influx of newer, cheaper rifles from other parts of the world that seem to perform pretty well and are attracting new shooters and those not interested in competition. Also, it seems that stuff posted on the classifieds are not selling, even at bargain basement prices. What do y'all think about that?
Hello @jps2486

I have not studied the "market" but I am enjoying seeing and reading ( seems like ) more post about the Mid-Range and Lower Priced air guns.

I personally have spent the majority of my shooting this year with the "less expensive" Pistols and Rifles. And I am having more fun than ever :love: .

ThomasT
 
I have 9 high end airguns. That said, I just bought a Umarex Notos, added a moderator insert, a couple printed magazines, and printed fore grip. Total investment-about $400. Within 50 yards it is every bit as good as the guns I have costing 4X as much. I do not engage in any type of shooting competition. As far as I am concerned, the high end manufacturers can sell their guns to those involved in their exclusionary silly "events". If the market wasn't so bad, I sell 7 of them right now.
 
A lot of it has been stated already: economy, election, Black Friday, and the holidays. Money’s tight for a lot of folks these days. I sold a bunch of PBs and associated gear to pick up a few nicer, older model PCPs, but those funds have almost all been spent. I’d like one more .22, but life events have kept me from being in a position to do so and I’ve been stocking up on pellets as well. Gotta be able to shoot what I do have, after all!
 
How many fools can you sell a niche $2,000 dollar piece of equipment to? As time marches on, the pool of fools becomes more shallow. Airguns aren't a neccessity, and even if they were, more people would flock to $500 varieties than $2,000.

Has absolutely nothing to do with economy, black friday, holidays, election, ect....this isn't some 4 year, 8 year, 10 year cycle repeating....that's scapegoating the truth that, there is a certain reality hiding behind the veil of newly released guns at the $2,000 price point where there is a 1-2 year cycle of constant releases resulting in....product saturation and buyer fatigue. Notice how little hype the M4 obtained, less than the M3 perhaps? How about comparing M3 to M2...which Impact release was the most hyped with forums flooding for months on end with posts regarding them....probably the M2 or M3...

Product over saturation, buyer fatigue, inside a niche market, do not bode well. You're seeing the effects play out in real time....

-Matt
 
Inthink we’re sailing past the 2k price point. The Skout EVO is 2600/3000 depending how optioned and if you add the bottom rail which you pretty much need it’s a 3k gun.

I’ve seen a few threads recently showing great success shooting slugs in the 850-900 range. Maybe people have realized you don’t need crazy power and shoot at 1100 FPS.

Even Altaros is saying shoot 880-890 for their slugs.

And as mentioned above if most are shooting 40 yards why do we need to shoot 1100 FPS. Absolutely same trajectory at 900 FPS at that range.
 
My favorite gun these days is my Niksan Ozark.
Hole-in-hole from 40 yards.
Loves heavy pellets
adjustable power
All for $445
So, why would I spend $1500+ for something that is maybe marginally better?

Then there is the $1000 scope people are putting on an air gun they are generally shooting less than 50 yards.
Or spending $20-30 for a tin of pellets that might group 1/4 inch better than $8 H&N Barracuda Match.
 
Judging by the latest posts on this and other forums, it seems that airgun interests are going in different directions. 4 or 5 years ago, all you read about was high end rifles and getting power out of them for long distance shooting. This was stimulated by the Extreme Benchrest competition. I think that we have all discovered that we have reached the wall on airgun power, and anything approaching Mach 1 is no good. Further, there has been a huge influx of newer, cheaper rifles from other parts of the world that seem to perform pretty well and are attracting new shooters and those not interested in competition. Also, it seems that stuff posted on the classifieds are not selling, even at bargain basement prices. What do y'all think about that?

It's not something that I've given a lot of thought to, but sitting here thinking about it now I cannot say where airgun interests are going. I do notice changes. I don't have answers to all these types of questions and/or ideas. I do not know many airgunners in my area other than the two that I have encountered, one I met on here. I hear firearm shooting just about everyday. When I see firearm adverts, the prices on some pretty nice rifles rival prices on high-end air rifles. Some of these air rifles are Johnny-come-lately companies using eager airgunners as beta-testers. I think from a R&D standpoint this can work short-term, but can be harmful long-term as a business model. It seems to work in sectors like the gaming sector where updates can be released and downloaded after testers flesh out the bugs. But how can you do that with an airgun? Once you buy it, it's yours. Anyone know of an airgun company that sends out and sells early production run guns and later allows customers to return them once they receive feedback detailing problematic areas and flaws from avid and popular shooters, smiths, and competitors? This sort of model allows them to improve said guns on subsequent runs because they receive feedback from experienced smiths and competitive shooter that shoot a lot more frequently than the average consumer. This feedback goes into improving a platform and decreases production costs since all of the testing isn't done in-house. They can sell guns and work to improve the platform simultaneously and enough airgunners support the model for it to remain viable. As for the cheaper guns, they are a good introduction to the airgun shooting sports and eventually some of these customers will upgrade and try out brands and models that cost more. I mean look at us. Many of us started off with Daisy, Beeman, Sheridan, Crosman, Benjamin, etc as children and look at what we shoot now.

I've made several observations after being seriously into this not-so popular hobby for a few years now. I gauge its popularity against the hobbies of my peers, so this is more of an assumption than a fact. I believe that this is a small niche hobby where a company producing airguns needs to be competitive on a global scale to continue to stay afloat and profit. I imagine that airgun companies in some other countries have the luxury of cheaper labor, possibly cheaper materials, but have a tougher task of working out the logistics of shipping costs, marketing, and distribution. I'm no economist, but current events and geopolitics must come into play some sort of way. For example, I imagine that Edgun might be faring much better had Russia and Ukraine not been warring. They made/make several models, but their U.S. branch seems solely focused on producing the Edgun Leshiy 2 and various configurations of this platform. This is simply an example, not something I brought up to enter into a political discussion. The point is that external factors like wars, sanctions, and fluctuating material costs, inflation, etc also impact an already small niche of minuscule, non-essential, hobby markets. I don't need airguns to survive, but I might do ok with one if that's all I had. As for the bargain prices, I'm all for it. That's the time to buy. But once an aigunner has a gun or two to serve his/her desired purposes then we can hit a wall because the focus can shift towards accessories and having them all setup a certain way. Do any of you think that the guys that keep buying new airguns "just because" can sustain all of these companies so that they remain profitable? However it works for the companies, the consumer is going to do what works to satisfy their needs within their budgets. Considering that the holiday season is upon us in the United States guys are buying gifts for wives, children, grandchildren, friends, etc. Some filed taxes late and that $1000 plus airgun probably isn't high on the list of priorities when he has 5-20 airguns already.
 
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All the above points are valid and have merit. The thing that I think is off, is the point about range and what people are shooting at, this has definately changed. I typically shoot woodchucks at 75y, 100 is very doable but I just don't like the pellet hang time so I usually won't. This was not the case just 8 years ago. The equipment has gotten better in every way. Yeah, not everybody is going to shell out a ton of cash, but bored hobbiest will. People operating at the extremes, whether you want to join them or not, drive the innovation and the techniques that we all end up using and benefitting from. I never use to use a range finder and Strelok and a tripod and foreign made pellets, - I do now! Even with my cheaper guns I'm shooting further than I ever thought was possible or feasible when I was a kid. I don't think we are going to see a market shift but rather more defined market segments, with a lot less overlap for conversation. Somebody shooting a Cape Buffalo with an airgun doesn't have much in common with a guy shooting a chipmunk in his backyard. The same thing goes for an international airgun competitor and a backyard plinker. Springers have been steady, and that's about it, and I definately consider that to be a different market from pcp.
 
Judging by the latest posts on this and other forums, it seems that airgun interests are going in different directions. 4 or 5 years ago, all you read about was high end rifles and getting power out of them for long distance shooting. This was stimulated by the Extreme Benchrest competition. I think that we have all discovered that we have reached the wall on airgun power, and anything approaching Mach 1 is no good. Further, there has been a huge influx of newer, cheaper rifles from other parts of the world that seem to perform pretty well and are attracting new shooters and those not interested in competition. Also, it seems that stuff posted on the classifieds are not selling, even at bargain basement prices. What do y'all think about that?

I agree jps2486 - the higher price end of the market seems to be shifting towards slug shooting - requiring higher power levels and slug-specific barrels.

It’s a hobby for me - so the money I throw at it has to balance the enjoyment I get from it.

It’s a less expensive hobby than say owning a classic or high end car(s)… so I rationalize it as 40 years of a competitive tennis hobby resulted in a $100,000+ back fusion surgery. Of course I still get out to play some tennis - and its more fun now when its not focused on winning tournaments.

With pellet rifles and distances of 75 yards and in, you will find amazing accuracy without needing big power - it doesn’t take huge power to even shoot .30 caliber at 870fps… and you don’t need .30 caliber, lol.

Even for incredible accuracy at typical air rifle distances of 30-40 yards, I’ve obtained great results from modestly priced rifles - just check out the 30 and 40 Yard Challenge leaderboards to see the level of precision that can be achieved with pellet focused rifles.

To stay grounded, I remember a YouTube video of a young UK kid with his Weihrauch HW97 hunting rabbits out in the British countryside. At one point he puts a target about the size of a US quarter on a fencepost - and nails it 10 straight times at about 25 yards with his springer… after the 10th hit he asks viewers “how much more accurate do you need?”.

What I really need is to be 15 years old again - with an HW97, a tin of .177 and a nice weather day…

-Ed
 
I don't know about you all but when things had to shut down a while for the pandemic my routine got completely up ended and I found myself having a little free time for my hobbies. It was actually a good thing on a certain level just for my own state of mind... kind of snapped me out of being caught up in the rat race and got me paying attention to what I enjoy. I went through a kind of binge there starting more or less at the time that the OP mentions - got an Air Force guns and extra parts, some molds - got sucked into it pretty deeply. That has petered out for me now that I have figured out what i need to... I found what I basically needed (airforce and evanix guns) and then recently the innovation I was hoping would happen, happened (gk1). So now I'm just content, enjoying what I've got.

I wonder if there's a significant number of other people who found themselves in a similar situation and part of what we are experiencing is that pandemic surge cooling off. I'll bet you more than one person was also motivated to get into bigbore airguns after doomscrolling pandemic related stuff haha