Daystate Alpha Safari

[AZGunner]

I purchased an Alpha Wolf Safari HP in .177.
The manual recommends 10.3gn Sovereign pellets up to 30ft pounds.Youd think that as this is the recommended pellet Daystate would have included that weight pellet as an option in the factory settings on the rifle. Instead my rifle only lists 13.4 and 15.89.
It’s a pain to use the custom settings as you have to create and save a setting before it can be tested and once saved it cannot be edited to make adjustments to velocity etc.

anyone else have an Alpha Wolf HP in .177 and has that weight listed in the factory settings?

 

[Trucker3573]

I noticed that Daystate seems to recommend higher than necessary reg pressures as the factory settings for 13.42gn at 860fps recommends 180bar reg pressure.
If I’m wanting to use the 10.3gn pellets I would have to use the 13.42 gn factory setting which is almost a 30% difference. That’s more than a slightly higher weight.
Around 10.3 grains is one of the most commonly used pellet weights in .177 and available in many different brands.
Daystate includes that weight option in the factory settings in the 17“ barrel but not the 23”.

I mean have you tried it . If you got it from A of A I think they have a 30 day return policy or something.

 

[AZGunner]

I understand your frustration , for sure... I DO know how they respond, even from the Factory for things they don't know or want to get deep into or even admit isn't right.

I go back to : there is a LOT of good info in this forum for someone that will make the effort to find...
For instance : the 15.89 setting you mention several times is ONLY A STARTING POINT... so whether it's 16.2 or 15.89 is irrelevant ... it's close enough for the cpu to measure and make corrections on subsequent shots. Whether you select a 22/14.3 or a 177/10.3... it doesn't care... it's only a starting point and if the first shot is less than 100 fps from desired, it'll make corrections ...

@engfred has written some very good info on the operation of the cpu and measuring system and how to create new table entries, etc.

I also have a lot of threads regarding the DW and how it works and it's use. I was tasked with testing the initial product and most iterations of it and have one of the first 2 that came off the production line in 2019... a lot of the potential has never been utilized. Part of this is the original software designer is deceased, and part of it is the next new thing being developed .

I know none of this really matters as you want it to work as intended and it DOES, but not how you expect... the misinformation being a contributor to your frustration.

Also, a 10.3 @ 30 ft lbs is SMOKIN... I believe the 30 ft lb in 177 is for HEAVY pellets like the 16.2s ...
Bob

I never intended to use a 10.3 grain pellet at 30 ft lbs as I agree that would be ridiculous. If I was looking for max power I would be using the 16.2 JSB beast. I wanted to use the 10.3 for FT which is limited to 19 ft lbs.
I’m using the 13.42 JSB at 860fps which is around 23 ft lbs for bench rest. I’m looking for accuracy not power.
I’m wanting to use factory settings after reading Centercuts posts about the factory settings actually being better as long as you adjust your reg pressure correctly. While advanced sets are precise and never change they do not adjust for varying environmental conditions such as temp, humidity and altitude.
It doesn’t really work as intended since Daystate CHOSE to not include the 10.3 weight option in the 23” configuration after recommending that pellet in the owners manuals. (I always read the owners manuals online before I buy)
I realize that I MAY be able to use the 13.42 setting but that is an almost 30% weight difference and I don’t know how that would affect the functionality

 

[AZGunner]

I mean have you tried it . If you got it from A of A I think they have a 30 day return policy or something.

No I haven’t tried it as yet. I bought this rifle about a year ago and as I have over a dozen other Daystates, Brocock and AAA rifles I just never got around to using it much. I pulled it out of the safe a couple months ago intending to get involved in HFT and bench rest shooting at my local range.
its just irritating that Daystate recommends a certain weight pellet in the owners manual then doesn't include an option for that weight pellet in the factory settings so customers have to make do!

 

[ctshooter]

Yes - the Alpha/Delta Wolf does recommend higher than necessary reg settings for the power so it's possible to run a reg setting that is way to high for the power level.

As I recommended you get the programmer, I will second that recommendation again. You can dig into the specs for the factory settings and see where they put the reg for different speeds.

You can also create your own factory profiles with the USB programmer and the software. I never went that far with it because I used the advanced settings more, but there is documentation on how to create your own factory program which will work for your barrel length, caliber and projectile weight.

 

[Trucker3573]

No I haven’t tried it as yet. I bought this rifle about a year ago and as I have over a dozen other Daystates, Brocock and AAA rifles I just never got around to using it much. I pulled it out of the safe a couple months ago intending to get involved in HFT and bench rest shooting at my local range.
its just irritating that Daystate recommends a certain weight pellet in the owners manual then doesn't include an option for that weight pellet in the factory settings so customers have to make do!

They do irritable things for sure I agree. They didn’t even put an off button on this platform. lol. Love that one. Not to mention daystate pricing.

 

[AZGunner]

Yes - the Alpha/Delta Wolf does recommend higher than necessary reg settings for the power so it's possible to run a reg setting that is way to high for the power level.

As I recommended you get the programmer, I will second that recommendation again. You can dig into the specs for the factory settings and see where they put the reg for different speeds.

You can also create your own factory profiles with the USB programmer and the software. I never went that far with it because I used the advanced settings more, but there is documentation on how to create your own factory program which will work for your barrel length, caliber and projectile weight.

I’ll consider your suggestion but have two things holding me back.
1. I’m not much of a computer person
2. the Programmer is only available in a Windows version and I’m an Apple guy So I’d also have to buy a Windows laptop to use it.

 

[ctshooter]

I’ll consider your suggestion but have two things holding me back.
1. I’m not much of a computer person
2. the Programmer is only available in a Windows version and I’m an Apple guy So I’d also have to buy a Windows laptop to use it.

You can install VMWare or UTM on Mac for free and install a Windows 11 VM. Use that in trial mode to do the upgrades. When that trial expires backup the Daystate XML files and reinstall a new VM.

 

[AZGunner]

You can install VMWare or UTM on Mac for free and install a Windows 11 VM. Use that in trial mode to do the upgrades. When that trial expires backup the Daystate XML files and reinstall a new VM.

Again I’m not much of a computer person. That’s beyond me. I bought Apple stuff because it’s simple.

 

[TnCnDn]

Not a single pic in this whole post...

 

[AZGunner]

Not a single pic in this whole post...

What would like a pic of? The owners manual recommending the 10.3 gr pellet?