Altaros .B.C. Set a bnew standard

[TheRealHearkensSaltLake]

I shot at the Ashland Oregon shoot this weekend and watched the Altaras slugs perform first hand out to 360 yards. Mike Bricker shot a perfect score with the 25 Cal 59 grain… in tough conditions at targets ranging from 118, 140, 167 , 188, 227 and 360. If you’re shooting in 22 or 25 Cal , it will be difficult to find a better BC. I already bought my first batch.
First and second went to Mike shooting an FX Panthera and Gabe shot a .22 Impact. Both are fantastic shooters which was a major factor, but these Slugs are a game changer.

PS someone hacked my old account, and I couldn’t shut it down.

Brad from Salt Lake

 

[Gerry52]

Glad you mentioned that "Brick" shot a PERFECT score in Long Range! He's really got some talent & that Panthera of his is set up beautifully. I've gotten to shoot it a couple times now. The Altaros slugs are amazing in BC & just how much energy they retain at distance. My brain is already "scheming" how to invest in that exact setup which is not like me. I love the guns I have & usually don't lust after stuff but I just might have to "change my ways" .

 

[steve123]

The thing I find funny is this video indirectly got the Altaros hype started in the USA.

Altaros 31gr Slugs...Video! 📸 Are they the best? (behind the scenes)

Okay guys...as promised here is a video on the Altaros slugs. I never white coat stuff so while we were shooting various airguns, pellets, and slugs, we decided to do a quick test of the 31gr Altaros slugs out of @intenseaty22 RTI Prophet (he did the shooting) with our friend Richard spotting...

www.airgunnation.com

It came off as discrediting Altaros slugs, which I found to be nothing more than clickbait because it was obvious the barrel in that gun wasn't the correct twist rate recommended by the manufacturer.

My curiosity was sparked and I wanted to see how they'd do so I acquired various Altaros slugs to try.
The 22 cal 32.3gr Smooth as well as the 25 cal 49.1gr Smooth shot reasonably well in both my 22 cal Redwolf and my Uragan 25 cal. Of course both have faster twist barrels as well.

At 200Y the 25 cal 49.1gr stayed on my steel for most of the shots on a windy day while only going 720 fps. In contrast the 29gr NSA would not because of the low BC.

I could be wrong but it seemed shortly afterwards that others saw what the higher BC's of Altaros slugs were capable of giving as far as having an advantage in the wind and that the precision was there too.

I liked them so much I ordered a Vulcan 3 to take advantage of the extra power this gun produces with the 25 cal Altaros slugs.
Aiming for close to 100fpe in 25 cal.

 

[Ballisticboy]

This is something I wrote on a different forum in 2020.
Be interesting to know where the Altaros BC figure came from, testing, calculated or guessed? The shape is very similar to the ones I was designing and testing back in 1990.

The .22 weighed 14.5 grains for a BC of .057 at around 580 ft/sec, compared to the 900+ft/sec for these. The G1 law is not really a suitable reference drag law for this shape, particularly with a boattail, so it is possible that at higher speeds the BC could increase compared to the lower speeds because of using the wrong reference drag law.

 

[Centercut]

I shot at the Ashland Oregon shoot this weekend and watched the Altaras slugs perform first hand out to 360 yards. Mike Bricker shot a perfect score with the 25 Cal 59 grain… in tough conditions at targets ranging from 118, 140, 167 , 188, 227 and 360. If you’re shooting in 22 or 25 Cal , it will be difficult to find a better BC. I already bought my first batch.
First and second went to Mike shooting an FX Panthera and Gabe shot a .22 Impact. Both are fantastic shooters which was a major factor, but these Slugs are a game changer.

PS someone hacked my old account, and I couldn’t shut it down.

Brad from Salt Lake

Thanks Brad. They were the Altaros ATP Smooth 49.5 grain at 885 fps.
Great shooting with you in the Extreme FT day 1.
Gabe shot the .22 Altaros 40 grain 5.52 Kings from his Impact at 850 fps. Those have a similar BC to the .25 slugs that I was shooting.

 

[Centercut]

This is something I wrote on a different forum in 2020.
Be interesting to know where the Altaros BC figure came from, testing, calculated or guessed? The shape is very similar to the ones I was designing and testing back in 1990.

The .22 weighed 14.5 grains for a BC of .057 at around 580 ft/sec, compared to the 900+ft/sec for these. The G1 law is not really a suitable reference drag law for this shape, particularly with a boattail, so it is possible that at higher speeds the BC could increase compared to the lower speeds because of using the wrong reference drag law.

For the .25 cal Altaros 49.5 grain Smooth slug the BC is advertised as G1 0.21. Shortly after receiving mine I confirmed that BC at 100 yards. After that, and in discussion with the manufacturer I switched to a G7 profile and 0.111 BC.
Note that both the G1 and G7 profiles at 0.21 and 0.111 gives the same drop and drift out to 300 yards but start varying slightly after that.
Speeds used from 880 to 900 fps.

 

[Airgunoregon]

Here is something I wrote in my match report of the long range contest:
Again, the Combine Score conversion worked about right with the EFT and EBR scores. Martin was sitting on top with a secure looking 455.25 using his day one EBR score of 224 and his day two EFT of 231.25. Second was Jayson Barnes with his two days of great EBR scores of 222 and 219 for a 441. Third was Mike Bricker with two great EBR scores of 216 and 222, with a 438. Next, was John Bagakis with his two solid winning scores in EFT of 225 & 212.5 for a 437.5 Not far behind was Shane Royce with his two great scores in EBR of 211 and 220 for a 431. It looked like anybody’s game with Sunday’s Big Bore/ Long Range and 100 yard EBR finals scores with a chance to change the order of things.

Early Sunday morning I was a little afraid the day might stay calm, but that changed by the time I had a cup of coffee in hand, and was heading to the range at 7am. I could see the forecasted storm front moving in over the NW coastal range of mountains. That would play lots of fun in the bowl at the end of the valley where the gun range lay in wait… “Especially for the Long Range” I was thinking to myself.

But how wrong that thinking that was, Mike Bricker had to upset the apple cart of my Combine Score difficulty planning, by shooting a perfect 25/25 hits on the 10 paddle for a perfect 250 score in the Long Range challenge with targets from 118 to 240. The question now becomes, was Mike’s performance too easy to attain? But looking at the next highest scores, my difficulty choices were about right; with Gabe Valenzuela second at 215, and Scott Hull at 210 and David Stevenson at 200… all very much like the rest of the final scores in the EBR and EFT matches.. Go figure?

I guess I have only two choices.. Ban Mike B, his Panthera, and Altaros slugs… or make the Long Range course harder

Or, on second thought, since we are a dealer for Altaros slugs now, I could leave the course as is, and see if Mike can do it again… or if anyone else can do it.. I think I like the second idea better Come and give it a try folks!

A very, very interesting thing to me is that Mike was only shooting at about 87fpe with 49.5 slugs; I’m thinking one of the lowest power levels and lightest projectiles contesting. Some were up to 650fpe and 350gr… Gabe was second in the contest and shooting even lower fpe and 22 cal 40gr Altaros Kings. Certainly, the lower fpe is easier to hold steady and on target… so lower the better in that category.

I’m really glad LD talked me into changing the “Big Bore” game to make it work for the lower power equipment… it was a lot more work to paint between each relay, but the competitors liked it better and more could compete, and that was the goal. We have some new ideas on that for the future.

So, back to the winner of the Combined Scores, Mike Bricker kind of blew past the leaders with his 250/250 along with plenty of great EBR and EFT scores for a 472, to take that 1st place award with ease. And this basically moved everyone else listed above… down the list a space.

 

[TheRealHearkensSaltLake]

For the .25 cal Altaros 49.5 grain Smooth slug the BC is advertised as G1 0.21. Shortly after receiving mine I confirmed that BC at 100 yards. After that, and in discussion with the manufacturer I switched to a G7 profile and 0.111 BC.
Note that both the G1 and G7 profiles at 0.21 and 0.111 gives the same drop and drift out to 300 yards but start varying slightly after that.
Speeds used from 880 to 900 fps.

Mike
Do you like G7 or G1 for Altaros?

I had a great time hanging out!

 

[Centercut]

I use the G7 of 0.111, but up to 300 yards it is identical to a G1 of 0.21. Past that the G7 is more accurate at 880 to 900 fps.
It was a fun competition and I enjoyed hanging out and shooting with you and your brother David.
The Altaros ATP Smooth are next generation performance compared to the standard type (Patriot, H&N, ZAN) slugs. I don’t think I could have shot that score in that crazy wind without the ATP slugs.