N/A Any high end pumpers around?
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SSP 's i have two already , shoot about 5 FPE . FWB 300 is a great gun . was used in the Olympics'
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I love the idea of a several stage system and love and hate my seneca aspen. Stacks .25 at 50 yards, hits hard and pump always feels iffy. Had it for a while and once the warranty fell off, so did the function of the pump. Braved it and Tore it down to fix and it works again only for the sponge wiper to become dislodged and need fixing again. Going into it again soon. I think the idea (at least for me) is to be self contained and easy to work on, even in the field. I can see popping off a pump link and replacing a few o rings but not rebuild a 3 stage pump without some serious tools and time. If you ask me the 362 has the best of both worlds, strong pump arm, ease of repair, moddibility, and simple to repair. And I even own old crosmans and benjamins. If one was ever to build their own self contained air conserving pump, I believe the dragonfly mkII is the way to go given it has a good start platform and great reviews.
Other than a few people building and modding their own pumpers, I'm not sure we will see another rendition of the aspen/freedom like gun at least for a while.
Until than looks like a dragonfly MKII May fill that need for many folks who aren't into modding.
Other than a few people building and modding their own pumpers, I'm not sure we will see another rendition of the aspen/freedom like gun at least for a while.
Until than looks like a dragonfly MKII May fill that need for many folks who aren't into modding.
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I think a good alternative might just be a compact and lightweight PCP pump. If there were an 18” long 1.5 lb 3 or 4 stage pump out there then any PCP could take on the same role as a MPP.
I’ve read that the Huben pump comes fairly close to this, but I haven’t tried it yet.
I’ve read that the Huben pump comes fairly close to this, but I haven’t tried it yet.
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I use it, good so far. Easy pumps, efficient, lightweight, and compact. Takes under 300 strokes to pump my Uragan 2 from the reg (190) bar to full. Easier and more efficient than my Air Venturi Mk something.
It's part of what motivated me to think of pumpers: if they can make something this efficient as a separate unit, why not on onboard pump.
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Just looked that pump up, looks like a nice compact keeper. I've been looking for a compact hand pump. When I looked inside the seneca aspen, the pump tube and pistons are only about 5 inches or so. In addition, the small shoebox compressors have short pistons too. The pump design can be made shorter, but at the cost of increased pumping. I have msp's pcp and co2. I only hand pump, and I hand pump a small tank for range days that actually fits in a small day pack and gets me like 20 plus fills on my 2260 and p-rod.
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Dragonfly was garbage it couldn’t hold poi if its life depended on it. There’s nothing like old Benjamin/Crosman pumpers
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I've heard mixed reviews on the mkII from both love and hate especially on QC to include poor magazine function. I love my 362 and wish it came with a solid barrel band and an insert to stiffen the pump pin. Going to turn and mill a rod soon to make it solid. I've built 140's/1400's with steel breeches and longer barrels with hammer type valve and they make nice power upwards of 17ftlbs. Not factory stuff but once you bolt it together, it's solid. That's what I feel the 362 is missing, and that's where I'm going with mine.
Gamo has a 1100fps in .177 (im sure 4.5 grain alloy pellet speed) pumper coming out in October, for under $100. I don't think I will bite at that one.
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I have owned and shot my Benjamin pump for 40 years and still shoot it. Makes me smile when I pick it up!
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They are better than other FX guns. I owned it for a long time and sold it due to moving .I’ve never seen them on sale, it’s not easy to buy. I bought mine new for $1k at a closed auction when the gun store was closing.I sold it for 1k to a friend who had been asking me to sell it for a long time.
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My beautiful, accurate and easy-charging C2023 is my favorite multi-pumper too, although the .22 Seneca Dragonfly Mk2 offers a few more foot pounds of energy at max pumps, if that's an important requirement for prospective buyers. Those coupl'a-few extra foot pounds do come with a fairly hefty price tag though, in the form of FIFTEEN pumps for the Mk2 instead of the super-easy eight pumps for the 2023! I'd love to have a rifle as good-looking and hard-hitting as an FX, but when I'm target shooting indoors (at thirty feet, in my case), where more power than three to five pumps provides just isn't necessary, anything more simply isn't needed. To me, the Seneca Mk2 air rifles are VERY nice however, and I have both the .22 and .177 versions, which are accurate and right good-lookin' long rifles as well. Coincidentally, just a couple of days ago, I received and also have been thoroughly enjoying shooting my 'new' Defender LR700W variable-pump air rifle, made by Artemis, which turns out to be a carbon copy clone of the original Dragonfly Mk1! It doesn't shoot with quite as much authority as the 2023, 362 or either of the Mk2's however, although it ought'a still be enough for pest control or small game, for those needing that capability.
When it comes right down to it, you're absolutely right about those being about as good as it gets, when it comes to airguns utilizing a variable pump pneumatic power system. Unfortunately, that's not even -remotely- close to what's available with a high-end PCP like the FX. I wouldn't mind havin' that kind of power available in an airgun (although, it's the VARIABLE, often meaning much less, power that's my favorite feature of multi-pumpers), but looking at things in another way, the roughly one thousand bucks necessary for an FX or equivalent PCP and a decent compressor allowed me to buy and enjoy all four of the variable pump air rifles mentioned earlier. Like the dude I just don't admire in any other way at all once somewhat cleverly quipped: quantity has a quality all it's own. Works for me.
Bubba
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New productions available, C2023 or a modified 362 all the way. At least that's what I say until I buy a dragonfly and see them side by side stock and fully moded.
I wish someone would produce these you can find them but they have a huge price tag. Titan Mohawk.
I wish someone would produce these you can find them but they have a huge price tag. Titan Mohawk.
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That is one uniquely good-lookin' stock!
Hmm... all I'd need to do is copy it -- maybe mahogany or walnut or some other equally beautiful hardwood -- chop it off up front for forearm separation, lovingly hand finish the pieces to perfection, carefully plug in and secure all the business bits of a Crosman 362 with a steel breech and Williams notched rear sight, get 'er impeccably sighted in and by thunder, I'll be walkin' in some of that tall cotton for sure!
That's the ticket. Hey, it could happen (sigh)....
Thanks for the photo anyway!
Bubba
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There's both a Titan Mohawk and an FX Independence for sale right now on ebay. So if you want one badly enough...
I'm of the opinion that no one has really done one up right yet. The Aspen is the closest thing I've seen, but it's so bulky and kludgy and cheaply done. It's what I imagine the Planet of the Apes rifle would be if it were air powered.
I'm of the opinion that no one has really done one up right yet. The Aspen is the closest thing I've seen, but it's so bulky and kludgy and cheaply done. It's what I imagine the Planet of the Apes rifle would be if it were air powered.
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