Anyone has a gamo P430? The absurd and eternal co2 PISTOL search for hunting

Hi lads, like a lot of airgunners (Teenagers mostly) I crave for a reliable air pistol, with cool semi-auto features that has enough power to take down small game.

I even get my hands on an HDR .50 11 joule version, a horribly bad revolver from umarex that cant even cycle propperly if you don't pull the trigger has strong and fast has you can. I take my f**** time to polish the internals to poke more the retention pin, bend the cilinder rod and lower the valve retention, then I take off the internal block that limits the co2 per shot and reduce via dremel the valve rod. I obtain a much better piece that actually don't jam half of the times you dare to try precision shooting, also ram the power to 15/16 joule (around 11,7 fpe).

Sadly the precision out of the smooth bore is still horrible, specially if you try pointy or fancy shaped projectiles, the trigger pull is atrocious, you shake the whole gun no matter what and there is no single action mode, even manually rotating the cilinder at first stage of the trigger wont help. Also, cal .50 means little to no penetration at those power figures, you are gonna punch that poor rabbit a few metters and you may NOT even kill it.

The HDR.50 is not designed for that anyways, so... back to the begining.



I'm about to acquire a fantabulous zoraky HP-1 /webley alecto in .177, a trillon times better pistol, single shot, 3 pumps up to 9/10 joule (7fpe), and really precise and quality gun.

But then I see the new Co2 Pisol Gamo p430, small, big claims of 150m/s 495fps, rifled barrel pellet shooter, sexy... for under 50 bucks.

The gun got 5 Gamo out of 5 for pest control of his ultra-reliable Gamo pro shot ID system, and they even have the balls to put 3 Gamo out of 5 for HUNTING. (the 1 Gamo for target shooting seems the more sincere of all).



Well... of course those 495 fps are gonna be from ultra-light pellet in the best conditions, but with all those claims better than a crosman vigilante, the idealistic part of me wants to belive that the gun will drop a rabbit on close distance with a well placed shot, so I can have a pocket size semi-auto thing capable to do small game at close ranges... And even in cold temp I can store it near my balls to hot the Co2 between shots.



I didn't found any chrony video with the weight of the pellet, also the reviews at the moment aren't very profesional, no chrony, no trigger pull, no reliable precision testing...

So... I come here with the vague hope that some of you tried the Gamo p-430, wich on the other hand seems a copy of the daisy 415 but with pellets instead of bb.



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Well, I read buyers reviews about the gun being bad quality and unreliable, I already purchased the Zoraki anyways, maybe some day a company will release the eternal philosophers stone of co2 pistols, something small that looks cool, operates in semi-auto, and has enough power to take small game.

Just for the sake of it... do you guys think is that even possible with Co2? I know my modded .HDR shots at 15j/11,7fpe, but with big .50 cal and maybe 12 usable shots. Surprisingly out of the box it states that can propel the big projectiles at 430fps, around the same speeds of the .177 pistols, but if somehow you choke the barrel from .50 to a .22 or .177, maybe you just don't gain much velocity unless you use longer barrels.



Is there anything like a Co2 propulsion limit, that prevents to create powerfull, short barrel pistols?
 
CO2 is limited in power. It only reach ~800psi at room temperature. Bring it outside in the cold and you'd be better off throwing the pellets. On a hot day CO2 pressures can increase to 1000-1100 psi. It will take a much longer barrel to get some power out of CO2. But pistol like the Crosman 2240 or 2240XL.

My 2240XL is shooting 15.9gr JSB .22 at 450 fps for 7+ fpe.