My question is out of all the YouTube reviewers out there, why did they choose M and B and macabespeed? In my opinion they are 2 of the worst out there. It cost them 3 rifles to get reviews that will cost them sales.
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Anyone heard of Pneuwa Cattleman Airguns?
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My guess is because they know nothing about airguns and were easily buffaloed by a fast talking YouTube vidiot.
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I have no idea of exactly WHO was supposed to be raining down my leg, as of the date "L" posted it, I had not talked to anyone about the gun who had anything to do with it.
I have now talked at length with Miss Victoria. We covered a lot of territory. Some Air Gun gun related, much that wasn't. Sharp lady, who is determined to produce a good product. Claims to the contrary are born out of pure speculation and ignorance.
And my leg is quite dry thank you!
Knife
I have now talked at length with Miss Victoria. We covered a lot of territory. Some Air Gun gun related, much that wasn't. Sharp lady, who is determined to produce a good product. Claims to the contrary are born out of pure speculation and ignorance.
And my leg is quite dry thank you!
Knife
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The fact that you can’t tell that’s a rebranded gun, imported by people who have a limited understanding of airguns speaks volumes to your ignorance. And to be clear I never bashed the gun, although it leaves a lot to be desired. I bashed the BS post from a non credible member who joined this forum solely to hype up cattleman guns. Apparently you didn’t see the threads on the other rebranded versions. Looks like they got to you with the “donating to Veterans” sales tactic and the “heartwarming” cowboy name
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I trust knifemaker (Mike) on his observation and improvement ideas implicitly .. Also it seems that The owners are open to suggestions.. Hmm, believe Knife or hearsay from people who have never shot one or hyped up reviews.. By the way, .for those that don't know him, Mike only tells the facts.. His suggestions are based on real world experience. and has been building high power slug guns since the beginning...
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I trust Knife’s knowledge on airguns, not his ability to see that this is a rebranded gun.
He’s been building high power slug guns since the beginning of what? As far as I know, Gary Barnes, Dennis Quackenbush and a few other lesser know individuals were the first to build high power slug guns
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Yep, know Gary Barns. He is also a fellow Knife Maker. The work of Dennis Quackenbush is well known. I do not build Slug guns for anyone but myself. I do test and design slugs for them. Central Texas weather affords me the opportunity to test and test a lot. I usually shoot between 300 and 500 slugs a day when weather permits. which is near every day.
I have NO idea why you think I am not aware of the design already in existence. Is picking a fight all you are capable of? I already told you that I am not interested in your games.
Actually Slug guns began a few centuries ago. Or were You not aware of that?.
Please go troll someone else.Believe it or not, you're not impressing me. Or anyone else for that matter. Seems the comments sent to me bare that out. Sad really.
Knife
I have NO idea why you think I am not aware of the design already in existence. Is picking a fight all you are capable of? I already told you that I am not interested in your games.
Actually Slug guns began a few centuries ago. Or were You not aware of that?.
Please go troll someone else.Believe it or not, you're not impressing me. Or anyone else for that matter. Seems the comments sent to me bare that out. Sad really.
Knife
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I didn’t question you knowing the design so I don’t know why you’re getting your panties in a bunch. High power slug guns 200 years ago? Where? To the best of my knowledge, they shot roundball. The air pressure was around 800-1000 psi, which is far from the high power slug guns Gary or Dennis build.
300-500 slugs a day huh, sure is a lot of fumes to be breathing in. I wasn’t picking a fight with you at all, I even made a positive comment on your other “top secret airgun reveal” thread before you started your noble defense of Cattleman.
MOD EDIT: REMOVED INSULTING CONTENT. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS IN CHECK.
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Let’s stay on topic about the gun itself and if it’s the gun you would recommend to a newbie or your best friend. I have my own feelings about the company and until they answer my question on the previous page, I will keep believing what I believe. But I’m not going to attack Knife. He already told us about the gun. What he had to say is all you need to know about the workmanship and lack of real world testing before the gun went into production. That ship has sailed so I can’t wait to see if he can turn it into something interesting. Or if it’s just not even worth it to a guy like Knife.
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Got my T1 to the range today. 30 yard airgun.. with 1 to 2 inch groups, puts out some serious energy, as I saw close 60fpe from heavy pellets. Everything, and I mean everything, was not doing well past 30 yards. I'm afraid the problems Knifemaker mentioned are 100% accurate. This gun is just not going to shoot well in its current form. I'll be sending mine back and I will revisit it after some improvements are made (hoping...). I think it has potential for the price point, if issues get fixed right. Good luck Cattlemen Guns, hope to see you around ijt the future!
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My apologies Guy's. At my age, Should know not to feed the trolls. Seems I just can't help it sometimes as they can be such cute little buggers and are always hungry.
I have now has several conversations With Miss Victoria. she is first and foremost interested in any changes needed to make the guns perform above the asking price range and has ask for my suggestions as how to get there. I will be conferring with a well known to air gunners tuner who is a mechanical engineer and well known tuner. We go back many years across several forums He wishes to remain anonymous for a while yet, and after all the bashing, I don't blame hi.
He and I talked at length early Sunday morning. My back ground is metallurgy and no doubt between us, we'll get it on track. I have already dound the wondering fps spread and it is a simple fix. Next, the barrel issues. That too is a simple fix.
We will also be working on a quickchange system for cal. changes and a Slug BBl. offering as well in the near future.
Now, how did I get involved it this in the first place. There is an auction shaping up on the GTA for charity and A Cattleman will be in the works. I wanted to make sure that the lucky recipient would get a nice Ag. Simple as that. Making AG's better is what I and the Engineer do. His is Mechanical Engineering, Mine Metallurgy. Put them together, and great things can happen.
Knife
I have now has several conversations With Miss Victoria. she is first and foremost interested in any changes needed to make the guns perform above the asking price range and has ask for my suggestions as how to get there. I will be conferring with a well known to air gunners tuner who is a mechanical engineer and well known tuner. We go back many years across several forums He wishes to remain anonymous for a while yet, and after all the bashing, I don't blame hi.
He and I talked at length early Sunday morning. My back ground is metallurgy and no doubt between us, we'll get it on track. I have already dound the wondering fps spread and it is a simple fix. Next, the barrel issues. That too is a simple fix.
We will also be working on a quickchange system for cal. changes and a Slug BBl. offering as well in the near future.
Now, how did I get involved it this in the first place. There is an auction shaping up on the GTA for charity and A Cattleman will be in the works. I wanted to make sure that the lucky recipient would get a nice Ag. Simple as that. Making AG's better is what I and the Engineer do. His is Mechanical Engineering, Mine Metallurgy. Put them together, and great things can happen.
Knife
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My apologies Guy's. At my age, Should know not to feed the trolls. Seems I just can't help it sometimes as they can be such cute little buggers and are always hungry.
I have now has several conversations With Miss Victoria. she is first and foremost interested in any changes needed to make the guns perform above the asking price range and has ask for my suggestions as how to get there. I will be conferring with a well known to air gunners tuner who is a mechanical engineer and well known tuner. We go back many years across several forums He wishes to remain anonymous for a while yet, and after all the bashing, I don't blame hi.
He and I talked at length early Sunday morning. My back ground is metallurgy and no doubt between us, we'll get it on track. I have already dound the wondering fps spread and it is a simple fix. Next, the barrel issues. That too is a simple fix.
We will also be working on a quickchange system for cal. changes and a Slug BBl. offering as well in the near future.
Now, how did I get involved it this in the first place. There is an auction shaping up on the GTA for charity and A Cattleman will be in the works. I wanted to make sure that the lucky recipient would get a nice Ag. Simple as that. Making AG's better is what I and the Engineer do. His is Mechanical Engineering, Mine Metallurgy. Put them together, and great things can happen.
Knife
Thanks Mike, glad to hear that this potentially has a good ending for all , after all its about the guns and the customers...
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I most certainly was being rude after being told that my statements were speculation and ignorant. I called bullpoop on a guy(NuttinButtBull) that just joined this forum to hype up a gun that hasn’t been proven. The guy touted 3 of the worst airguns reviewers as the reason for the gun being proven when anyone with half a brain cell can see that M&B airguns review was BS. Then to see them use “Veterans” as a tactic to get sales is just sick. Tell us about your military pedigree and donations AFTER you have a proven product that has redeemed it self after it’s predecessor the pishtov. Otherwise it just comes off as a company that’s desperate to unload its shipment of guns. So desperate in fact that they’re being sold all over eBay. What do you know when you go to look at their guns on ebay. As a seller there’s an option to “donate 10% of your profit to the Wounded Warriors foundation”. This is amazing for the charity and the guys that need the donations. But this is clearly a copy and paste sales tactic that Cattleman is running with. And you know what it’s working. It would have been a much different story if they would be talking about donating when they aren’t desperate to unload their shipment of fixer uppers. Then to be told constantly that I’m speculating and ingnorant while he states the gun is clearly not a different version of pishtov. Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining
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The next person that posts anything less than constructive will be placed in a "time-out". Consider this your warning.
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I know I rubbed some people the wrong way and that’s fine with me as long as I was able to help any unsuspecting members from dumping $600 on a gun that will require them to be a machinist to fix or pay half of what the gun is worth to get it shooting good
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