Anyone try to mount red dot on rear sight Ataman AP16?

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What...clearance ? If the cocking arm touches the mount, I'm sure a little light sanding would fix the problem.

My Holosun is way out on the shroud. I wouldn't mind it back at the back of the gun, myself.



Mike

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Why would anyone, when there are perfectly good factory scope grooves in the perfect location for a red-dot sight (near center of the pistol or barrel-length)?

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"What…you never try anything…new ?" No Mike, in my 68 years on Earth I've never tried anything new. 

There are countless posts on this forum bemoaning lack of factory optics-mounting accommodations. In this case I simply don't understand the logic in not utilizing perfectly good factory scoping accommodations... in favor of removing the rear sight; when One can have his cake and eat it too with sturdier factory arrangements.

"I personally…like to experiment." I did a lot of that in the Sixties too, Mike. "Don't bogart that joint, My Friend."

"Your girlfriend/wife must get bored..!" That's quite a lame and adolescent attack Mike. So I'll simply consider the source, and suggest you seek professional help, Bud.

I understand some folks are, by nature, disposed to trying to re-invent the wheel. I've been there, done that, and found what works well. I also understand some folks are disposed to ignoring voices of experience; but results speak volumes.

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Obviously your ignoring the voices of experience from millions of shooters removing the rear sights and installing a red dot, not to mention Ataman engineered a dovetail mount into the rear sight, even in both both direction to pull off a custom rear sight if you wish

Million of combat shooters have it on the rear because the action is in the middle and very successful at it, I'm not shooting the Ataman in combat style but quick acquisition is critical in hunting or target




 
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"What…you never try anything…new ?" No Mike, in my 68 years on Earth I've never tried anything new. 

**So...then what's your concern with this mount ? Just because it new, it's a bad thing ?

There are countless posts on this forum bemoaning lack of factory optics-mounting accommodations. In this case I simply don't understand the logic in not utilizing perfectly good factory scoping accommodations... in favor of removing the rear sight; when One can have his cake and eat it too with sturdier factory arrangements.

**Again, what's wrong with trying something new ? Some may actually like it better than what they currently have. If a mount location isn't being used...why not use it for something..?

"I personally…like to experiment." I did a lot of that in the Sixties too, Mike. "Don't bogart that joint, My Friend."

**Mmm, I did too. I'm 70 and I STILL do. Just because I'm getting a little older, doesn't mean it's time to...settle. Far from it..!

"Your girlfriend/wife must get bored..!" That's quite a lame and adolescent attack Mike. So I'll simply consider the source, and suggest you seek professional help, Bud.

**Funny..! Kinda fits though...right ? Not trying anything new, I mean. NOTE - No disrespect intended...

I understand some folks are, by nature, disposed to trying to re-invent the wheel. I've been there, done that, and found what works well. I also understand some folks are disposed to ignoring voices of experience; but results speak volumes.

**Well, with that thinking, we'd still be driving Model "A"'s and be listening to the radio, with no such thing as a TV. You would be using a Flintlock rifle to shoot with, with an attitude like you are saying. If no one experimented (at any age) with trying new things, over settling with the status quo, we'd be in a proverbial...world of hurt.



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Whatever works for you is the best for you.

Remember Funkadelic,"Take a stroll in your mind you'll be surprised what you'll find".

"Hit me with your best shot baby".

Maybe George Jones or Wylnn Jennings,,"You sure Hank done it this way"?

When you go back in time and think like " Two Tokes in the Morning".

That is what you get,Another day older and dumber.
 
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FWIW, I've always paid heed to what winners use and say, discounted what losers use and say, incorporated the worthwhile, avoided the worthless or superfluous, and from there assembled winning combinations. I've wasted more than I care to recount on "new", and more often than not discovered "new" antonymous to "proven".

To each his own.

Happy Shooting Y'all,

R
 
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I agree with @airNgasman that further forward the red dot the better. 


the reason for that is the dot usually 2-3 MOA is bigger if it is closer to you so having the dot only couple of inches closer does change how much target area it covers given the same size dot. I’ve tried red dot forward and backward and prefer moving it as forward as possible for both better target acquisition and accuracy. If anything I would want to have an adaptor to move the red dot even further forward. 
 
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I agree with @airNgasman that further forward the red dot the better. 


the reason for that is the dot usually 2-3 MOA is bigger if it is closer to you so having the dot only couple of inches closer does change how much target area it covers given the same size dot. I’ve tried red dot forward and backward and prefer moving it as forward as possible for both better target acquisition and accuracy. If anything I would want to have an adaptor to move the red dot even further forward.
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With combat shooters they use a MOA of 3.5-6 at the end of the rail, why the popularity in having a large MOA of 6 in your face like that?
 
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I agree with @airNgasman that further forward the red dot the better. 


the reason for that is the dot usually 2-3 MOA is bigger if it is closer to you so having the dot only couple of inches closer does change how much target area it covers given the same size dot. I’ve tried red dot forward and backward and prefer moving it as forward as possible for both better target acquisition and accuracy. If anything I would want to have an adaptor to move the red dot even further forward.
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With combat shooters they use a MOA of 3.5-6 at the end of the rail, why the popularity in having a large MOA of 6 in your face like that?
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combat shooters have obviously VERY different use case than we do. Biggest and probably only reason they have reflex at the very end if pistol is fast drawing from holster. With the reflex sight or red dot in the middle of the pistol how does it even fit in holster? And they also are shooting minute of toro at no farther than 20 feet so speed from holster is the difference between life and death so most still run just trillium sight instead of a red dot. In fact combat pistols if anything has the micro reflex sight not a traditional Reddot.


From tactical perspective One of the drills I do during rare occasion of pistol training is the 4 shots from holster drill where first 2 shots happens before the pistol is even brought up to my line of sight. Guess what, at across the room or 10 feet I have no problem hitting a torso even though those shots are meant for suppression. Even that is last resort training in case carbine is out of commission because that is carbine/shotgun engagement distance. True pistol engagement distance is less than 3 feet or arms’s length where you can’t use a carbine so from what I like to do I don’t want a sight that can get hung up on things at all. For self protection then there might be a use case for reflex sights but it’s more toy than actual use IMHO because you are not really defending yourself if the shots are longer than 10 feet but that is a different debate! Hahaha 


on a carbine or rifle they mounted reflex or reddot somewhere in the middle with/around other sights like an acog and some don’t even turn on the red dot because the 20mm window is accurate enough at 10 feet. Once again the goal is minute of torso as fast as possible between 0-25 yards and anything past that I switch to magnified scope unless there is no need for target identification.


If you want to shoot a squirrel in the head at 20 yards then the setup is different like a 2 MOA vs 4-6 MOA dot and mounted forward so it appears even smaller so that the dot doesn’t cover the entire squirrel. Even with 2moa dot forward the dot will cover half a big squirrels head. 


 
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