Are Kral Air Guns under rated?

I have been reading the message traffic regarding Troy Hammer and his recent effort at distribution of Kral and Reximex guns. I have watched his videos and certainly wish him well. Not a simple task. I have felt that Kral is under estimated and under appreciated in the American market for some time. I noticed the new regulated version of the Puncher Breaker in South Africa (Youtube Video review) and hope it comes to the US.

If I may, I'd like to share something. I live in San Diego County and shoot at Rainbow Range. Just south the Riverside County line. Airgun friendly and outdoor. There is a group of retired military, aerospace engineers, law enforcement with a few old Marines and Navy SEALS who shoot air guns there on a regular basis. All are excellent shooters and do both small bore and long distance center fire shooting providing ammo can be found. Air guns are popular as ammo is both hard to find and still expensive. Primers to reload ammo are not be had. So as shooters, they shoot.

One older retired LA SWAT guy shoots a Kral Puncher Breaker in .22 blue with a walnut wood stock. I have witnessed him shoot at 50 yards, they never shoot less, .250 to .450 five shoot groups over and over and over using JSB 18.1 gr pellets. Groups are measured center to center. At 75 yards the spread goes up just a bit. He never fills the gun past 230 bar and shoots it down from there. I measured the trigger pull at 10.4 ounces. I know the group size to be accurate as these guy measure every group with digital calipers on standard match grade target paper. Not Splat target paper. I watch them.

This is as good as many FX Crown shooters get. Of course the FX Impacts always shoot well. This gentleman knows his rifle and shoots it well. Troy Hammer makes no false claims. Kral rifles can and do shoot well. I am on the wish list for a .25 if one comes to Pyramid.

I've seen some MR2 Ataman rifles shoot some very tight groups in the AoA matches in Arizona. Both brands, Kral and Ataman are under rated in America in my humble opinion.

On this note I will end. Many of the air guns mentioned on this forum and rated highly, are very hard to find in the wild. Most I've never seen in the eight years I've been shooting air. So I guess the point is this, distribution is everything. If Airgun Depot/Pyramid, AoA or one of the bigger distributors does not carry your brand, sales are limited, even if the gun is stellar.










 
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Yes, they are underrated. Great guns. 

This one gets 720 shots per fill. 

https://www.krale.shop/us/kral-arms-puncher-superduty/

KRALE is the only place you can get KRAL if you live in the USA. They ship the gun to you in 4 days for $57. No tax. If your credit card does not work, just call your bank...it will go through. I have ordered from them 30+ times. 
 
Turkey has a long tradition with firearms, well back into the 15 century, IIRC. Cannons were used to lay siege to Constantinople in 1453 (so says Google) They are a modern manufacturing economy and a member of NATO. There have been a few embarrassing brands to bear the Made in Turkey stamp...Pishtov anyone??

I believe that it is lazy and ignorant to poo-poo brands by the place of manufacturing, and even worse to lump all the Turkey made guns together.

Shoot what you enjoy and enjoy what you shoot.
 
Under rated .... ????

That required what a given brand is rated RELATIVE TOO for it to give it a degree of relativity.

Dollar spent, performance for said dollar ....favorable.

Long term ownership with service / parts down the road years from now .... Likely none.

What you get for what you pay, time and use requiring service and parts like any mechanical devise for long term ownership or to those buying used years later .... Totally bad investment of ones money.

Simply like many brands and types of products sold, a near disposable product sold for those not willing / wanting to invest in better gear and manufacturers that will be here years from now settling for what my dollar buys today.



No I'm not bias ! .... Realistic and practical YES
 
Who gives a bats ass where the gun is from,as long as it is a good gun and parts are not hard to get.

There is a lot of expensive air guns on this forum and they are great,but as been stated ,some can not afford to spent upteen$$$$$$$$$$ for a PCP and all the equipment it takes to feed it....

Maybe a better bet would be a well made and known springer,,,,but hey the guys shooting worked over cheaper PCPs at 50yards and getting 1/2" groups..truthfully I would rather get 1/2" with a worked over cheap PCP than a expensive one....underdogs need not be underdogs,but have to work a lot harder to be top dog.....and maybe air gun tuners can be called dog trainers,after all is that not what they do,try their best to make dog airguns into champions?LOL,,,,,
 
Well, Motorhead is one of those folks who has forgotten more about airguns than I will ever know. And his knowledge goes very deep, well into the guts of a gun and deeper than the vast majority of folks will ever go. I believe that he has provided insight to the point of someone "Knowing full well the limitations," based on his hands-on experience and knowledge.

I don't see where he said don't buy a Kral. He does express his opinion against purchasing a gun which may later have to be considered 'disposable.' Buying too inexpensive at first will end up costing more in the long run. But many folks getting into this hobby don't know how long it will hold their interest, and don't have money to burn on something which they might find boring in a couple of months. But on the other hand, it is pretty hard to get or stay interested in something where the equipment has issues.

I bought Hatsans at first. If that is all that I had tried, I likely would not still be shooting airguns today. And in the end, I ended up pretty much giving away those fully functioning Hatsans - so while they didn't break or malfunction, I still would have to consider them as 'disposable.'


 
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Kral is going to be the next brand I will venture into,

With the support you get from Troy Hammer I don't care if there's no factory parts to buy, Troy can make any of the very few parts that can go wrong.

I have no .22s and .177s so in the next feature I will fill that gap with Kral guns,....only heard good things about them after they ironed out the couple issues they had in the very beginning.
 
Poor form Motorhead. The AGN does not need more airgun snobbery.

FWIW FX founded 1999. Kral Arms founded in 1997.

Both pale in comparison to to Benjamin 1899 and crosman 1902.

What was that about longevity?

When the truth hurts folks react .... Whats funny here is that speaking pretty matter of fact that by in large these stated truths have already been the TREND of so many manufacturers & buyers that getting push back rather than acknowledgement is sad.

It is not snobbery what so ever, it is a truth many think but don't say having nothing to do with folks buying what they can afford. IT IS A CHOICE and in that zero blame or snobbery is being cast for the reasons folks purchase what they do.
 
What are the poor to do? The lesser wage earners? Those on a budget? Kids in college? Wait for a well used Redwolf? 

or let the market serve us as we are able to consume? Knowing full well the limitations?





Great thing about airgun as a hobby is that it's very accessible to all income/spending levels. However chasing marketing allures and expect 400 dollar guns to shoot like 2000 dollar guns is futile. There is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoy low cost, low power but accurate airguns! I have a quite a few of them and they are a blast to shoot, just don't expect them to shoot like a deltawolf out to 200 yards. 



Just take the considerations Motorhead mentioned when buying airguns and you will have much less headache and waste less money on disposable money pits that you end up throw away. I know people who had hatsans and they are simply irreparable due to lack of available parts. If you to get a turkey made gun at least do yourself a favor and buy a Crosman gun that's made in turkey so at the very least you can call and get parts. Good luck getting Krale parts like Motorhead mentioned. It's just like buying a car with no warranty and no place to order replacement parts, not really good for long term even if the car is indeed excellent when new but they all need parts at some point. 



Example: 

I have 5 crosman guns and any time I need anything there is endless information, how to videos, parts directly from crosman for cheap! I have an airarms s200, while it's a great little gun but I'm looking for couple of seals and only places that have the seal kit are in UK, same goes to the BSA I owned. Krale might be much worse than getting parts from UK. 
 
Kral makes a great gun for the price. Does it have the reputation of the top tier guns? NOPE but it is a 1/4 or a third of the price. 

Is it as accurate at 200 yds as a top tier gun? NOPE but at 50 yds it can compete.

Will you see one compete at EBR? Probably not but what percentage of air rifle shooters care about competing, shooting an air rifle really fast or shooting an air rifle 200+yards? I would guess the percentage is low.

For the majority of air gun users that just want to shoot pests or cans.... a Kral will serve them just fine and they will have $1000+ left over to spend on another hobby. 
 
Kral makes a great gun for the price. Does it have the reputation of the top tier guns? NOPE but it is a 1/4 or a third of the price. 

Is it as accurate at 200 yds as a top tier gun? NOPE but at 50 yds it can compete.

Will you see one compete at EBR? Probably not but what percentage of air rifle shooters care about competing, shooting an air rifle really fast or shooting an air rifle 200+yards? I would guess the percentage is low.

For the majority of air gun users that just want to shoot pests or cans.... a Kral will serve them just fine and they will have $1000+ left over to spend on another hobby.

It can be done. 

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Pay attention to Motorhead, he's correct. You get what you pay for and as support goes from Kral, there is none. They do not answer your queries or return phone calls.. Zero support.

Kral is an export manufacturer not a retail sales company. It's your importer that you should be contacting. Kral doesn't offer customer support to retail customers. They are set up to support the dealer and importer. They have parts. That's a non issue. 
 
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I like my Benjamin Kratos and I like Troy Hammer. I have always found Troy forth coming with information. And I found my Kratos to be a great rifle.

I have a new 25 Bighorn, got to me Saturday, that I have not tested yet, my fault as I forgot I gave the fill fitting I needed for it to a friend, actually gave that friend two of them and they are in use. I have one being shipped from PA after reading a post from Troy on which one to get. But that is old age and life, and summed up by ‘feces occurs’.

Initial impression is that it is better finished, takes longer slugs in the longer magazine.

For me, Troy is the go to man for all things Kral.

Regards,

Roachcreek








 
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I will add that Kral, while being a great place to buy, it may be the only place to get that particular rifle, it is not the only place to buy a Kral if you live in the USA. There is a place in Canada, Canada Sports but I may have that name wrong, and two in the USA, Troy Hammer and unless PA has stopped selling them, PA.

I doubt that I could send my cast bullets to either Krale or Pyramydair and have them tune that Bighorn for a high power two magazine tune, that hits the mid 80FPE with my bullets. However, Troy Hammer did.

Regards,

Roachcreek











 
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