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Are Kral Air Guns under rated?
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Some of you need to get your comments in check. Anything/anyone out of line after this reply will recieve a warning.
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Kral has their warranty thru Air Venturi which is a divison of Pyramyd Air.They are even in the same building. I called Pyramyd Air before buying my Puncher Knight and asked about future repairs. They said they have a full service dept. and service Kral guns. You can also go to Canada Shooting Supply which has 6 pages of Kral parts, hope this helps.
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The only guns I never had to touch, fix or modify were my Edguns and Taipan. I never owned a Cricket, Vulcan or Uragan but I would buy one of those if I didn’t have a toolbox and feel safe. The guns out of Turkey are what I consider adequate with plenty of room to be made better if you’re picky. That doesn’t make them a bad gun. China makes some very cool bad guns. Most are not adequate. They need overhauled. FX are not bad guns but they do have some shortcomings. Right now they aren’t helping the pellet shortage. If you want to spend more time shooting over a chronograph or chasing tunes than fun shooting, FX will make your dreams come true. My Edguns and Taipan rarely see a chronograph, need a scope adjustment or need some do-dad to make them perform better.
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I completely agree with you, I think Eastern Europen guns are phenomenal, rugged and accurate.....only reason I don't get them is because I am not interested in regulated guns.
I think with Kral right now you get a lot of gun for the money.
FX has never been on my radar, they seem way to delicate and complicated to me.
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Yes, my Kral Jumbo didn’t stay stock for very long but I did shoot a couple mags out of it before I tore it down. It was accurate and had a very useable part of the bell curve. The machining on the gun was adequate. Comfort was top notch. Personally I feel they need to keep what they offer sub $600. Getting parts for a lot of high end guns can be difficult also so I can’t blast Kral for that. The difference is, with the Eastern European guns is they don’t need parts unless you’re a ham fist and watch mod videos.
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Vetmx, Why are telling only half of the story? Tell us How many hours you spent making it shoot the way you liked it to do. Then tell the forum how much money you spent doing it and then, lastly, tell the crowd how much you saved over the cost of a Daystate or FX.
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Well the point is that many of us don't buy a 500 bucks Kral to make it shoot like a 2500 bucks gun,
Some of us don't care about regulators, 100 yards target shooting, high shot count, air triggers.
I'm looking for a rugged gun that I can hunt, a magazine worth of high power shots is all I need and I like my trigger in the 2-2,5 pounds range,
Kral really fits my needs, ....the factory support lack of has been debunked already so that is a non issue, reports of 50 yards accuracy are really good and they can stand up to the high end guns,
So if anyone like to spend 2000 grand plus for fine machines it's all good, but don't think everyone has the same needs,...there's diversity out there
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How many pages of this forum is dedicated to spending money on upgrades and weeks if not months on trying to get a so called high end gun to shoot the way someone wants it to. Not to mention the pellet costs in chrony string after chrony string chasing that perfect tune. Aftermarket barrels for a $2000+ gun. New electronics and tunners. Aftermarket regs to replace a factory one. I read his entire journey on that Kral and other than his time and skills I saw little actual monetary investment.
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Steve ever see a Honda Civic tuner car? You know the Civic with all the mods. Like in the movie Fast and Furious. Runs with the factory built performance cars like M Series BMW.
Some people like making the underdog run. Huge business. But you know the secret. It’s not easy and it’s not inexpensive. Ford finally beat Ferrari. But it was not cheap nor easy.
We have have been turning “ a sows ear into a silk purse” for decades. The first question I hear is when I get a new gun is “what mods are you doing”? My response, “I bought it because it does not need any.” Better to spend money on a good scope and mounts.
Spend huge on gun, install $100 scope? No.
If you buy a Kral because it is simple. Less complicated and can be maintained with relative ease. And can often shoot quite well, I get that. Some people like unregulated guns. And you perceive it to be a good value. Do it. Invest in a Troy Hammer tune. OK
But to drop $800 more in it to shoot with an Impact? I had an Air Force Condor. A guy told me for $650 I can get that thing to really shoot well. Hahahahaha. Selling Bridges too?
Some people like making the underdog run. Huge business. But you know the secret. It’s not easy and it’s not inexpensive. Ford finally beat Ferrari. But it was not cheap nor easy.
We have have been turning “ a sows ear into a silk purse” for decades. The first question I hear is when I get a new gun is “what mods are you doing”? My response, “I bought it because it does not need any.” Better to spend money on a good scope and mounts.
Spend huge on gun, install $100 scope? No.
If you buy a Kral because it is simple. Less complicated and can be maintained with relative ease. And can often shoot quite well, I get that. Some people like unregulated guns. And you perceive it to be a good value. Do it. Invest in a Troy Hammer tune. OK
But to drop $800 more in it to shoot with an Impact? I had an Air Force Condor. A guy told me for $650 I can get that thing to really shoot well. Hahahahaha. Selling Bridges too?
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Shu, you are making my point. If you buy a Kral or for that matter any low dollar gun because it offers good value to you, go for it., but to buy one of these because it is inexpensive and think you can tweek or modify it to shoot with the high end guns thinking you can save money is a fools errand. Even if you are successful, you still have a low end gun and it most likely will cost more than buying a high end gun in the first place.
There are also those circumstances that there are no out of the box high end gun that meets your need. In that light, buying a crap gun that is a good core that meets your requirement is the only choice. I needed a PCP equivalent of a Thomson contender and the only gun on the market that comes close is a PP700SA and it is truly crap out of the box. I know, I bought two of them, but after extensive work and money, it is a perfect replica of the Thompson on high pressure air. I can regularly hit targets at 100 meters. Even though a PP700SA is cheap, I spent significant time and money. A good gun out of the box is always less expensive.
There are also those circumstances that there are no out of the box high end gun that meets your need. In that light, buying a crap gun that is a good core that meets your requirement is the only choice. I needed a PCP equivalent of a Thomson contender and the only gun on the market that comes close is a PP700SA and it is truly crap out of the box. I know, I bought two of them, but after extensive work and money, it is a perfect replica of the Thompson on high pressure air. I can regularly hit targets at 100 meters. Even though a PP700SA is cheap, I spent significant time and money. A good gun out of the box is always less expensive.
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I never knew such a thing existed. Looked at the PP700SA. OK I get.
Well you’re a better airgun smith than I am. Interesting to say the least.
Well you’re a better airgun smith than I am. Interesting to say the least.
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Shu, I am very fortunate. I have a very well equipped machine shop. There is not too much I cannot make when I need it. Most of the forum members are not so fortunate. Taking on a task like making one of these less than perfect airguns perfect is simply not economically possible for most of the members here.
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Tuning and modifying are two different things. Tuning the gun to shoot at an optional level using factory settings or making minor adjustments makes sense.
But if you must re-engineer and rebuild into something that is only a portion of what you started with, only to equal what you could buy for same or less might be folly. Tells you you started with the wrong gun.
When people say “mod their guns” that usually means buy bolt on accessories.
Having competed in my share of matches. Most high quality guns shoot better than their owners. Modded guns shoot no better than the owner. A hard lesson I learned. A Impact won’t resolve bad form. Form first. Equipment second.
But if you must re-engineer and rebuild into something that is only a portion of what you started with, only to equal what you could buy for same or less might be folly. Tells you you started with the wrong gun.
When people say “mod their guns” that usually means buy bolt on accessories.
Having competed in my share of matches. Most high quality guns shoot better than their owners. Modded guns shoot no better than the owner. A hard lesson I learned. A Impact won’t resolve bad form. Form first. Equipment second.
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Tuning and modifying are two different things. Tuning the gun to shoot at an optional level using factory settings or making minor adjustments to factory parts makes sense.
But if you must completely re-engineer and rebuild into something that is only a portion of what you started with, only to equal what you could buy for same or less, might be folly. Tells you you started with the wrong gun. And Steve I understand your PP700SA project.
When people say “mod their guns” that usually means buy “bolt on” accessories from a catalog.
Having competed in my share of matches. Most high quality guns shoot better than their owners. Modded guns shoot no better than the owner. A hard lesson I learned. A well tuned Impact won’t resolve bad form. Form first. Equipment second.
Open bench rest is a different animal. But the average guy does not shoot there. My comments pertaining shooting form refer to production classes. Obviously reengineering is not allowed.
But if you must completely re-engineer and rebuild into something that is only a portion of what you started with, only to equal what you could buy for same or less, might be folly. Tells you you started with the wrong gun. And Steve I understand your PP700SA project.
When people say “mod their guns” that usually means buy “bolt on” accessories from a catalog.
Having competed in my share of matches. Most high quality guns shoot better than their owners. Modded guns shoot no better than the owner. A hard lesson I learned. A well tuned Impact won’t resolve bad form. Form first. Equipment second.
Open bench rest is a different animal. But the average guy does not shoot there. My comments pertaining shooting form refer to production classes. Obviously reengineering is not allowed.
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Last couple days I have spent turning my drill press and shop vices into a lathe and removing the tight choke so Ihave a dedicated slug shooter to shoot my 44.5 252 diameter slugs that I cast.
Before you blow up with bubba gunsmithing, I freely admit to it, but bear in mind I was the first to video a 615 yard hit on a 12 oz cola can with a cast slug from a airgun and many of you have watched that video.
So back to my bubba hillbilly lathe, I cut the choke off my brand new Kral Bighorn 25, that I have not yet shot recrowned polished the crown with #7 and finished with Flintz, the rifle is tuned by Troy Hammer for 20 shots at 903 FPS with the 45.6 grain solid version I cast of the above mentioned bullet. The high in that two magazine string was 933 FPS.
I slugged the barrel before all this and I found it to have one of the smoothest and consistent interiors I have experienced and I have had a lot of premium after market barrels.
And I found it to be a cut above the Benjamin Kratos that I modded to hit 1025 FPS with kings, which is a rugged well made airgun. By the way, hats off to Vetmx for the excellent thread when you converted your Kral, that nudged me to do the Altaros regulated route for a smooth polite low power option.
Now if in my blind bubbaism all goes awry and I ruin the rifle beyond repair, I will be out $700.00, about what some spend to change the attire on their impact.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Before you blow up with bubba gunsmithing, I freely admit to it, but bear in mind I was the first to video a 615 yard hit on a 12 oz cola can with a cast slug from a airgun and many of you have watched that video.
So back to my bubba hillbilly lathe, I cut the choke off my brand new Kral Bighorn 25, that I have not yet shot recrowned polished the crown with #7 and finished with Flintz, the rifle is tuned by Troy Hammer for 20 shots at 903 FPS with the 45.6 grain solid version I cast of the above mentioned bullet. The high in that two magazine string was 933 FPS.
I slugged the barrel before all this and I found it to have one of the smoothest and consistent interiors I have experienced and I have had a lot of premium after market barrels.
And I found it to be a cut above the Benjamin Kratos that I modded to hit 1025 FPS with kings, which is a rugged well made airgun. By the way, hats off to Vetmx for the excellent thread when you converted your Kral, that nudged me to do the Altaros regulated route for a smooth polite low power option.
Now if in my blind bubbaism all goes awry and I ruin the rifle beyond repair, I will be out $700.00, about what some spend to change the attire on their impact.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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Does not sound like you’ll ruin anything. If you are having fun I am in your court. I think you know what to expect. Not running blind.
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Roachcreek. I admire that talent.
If you had to pay someone to do all that you are doing and envision, would you still do it? Would it be worth it? That is where most are.
I would guess machinist with your talent are not free. Nor should they be.
If you had to pay someone to do all that you are doing and envision, would you still do it? Would it be worth it? That is where most are.
I would guess machinist with your talent are not free. Nor should they be.
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