Are my eyes crooked?

[Redick]

Ok so I'm having a issue or I think I am...lol

Here's the dilemma. I leveled my rifle and scope with 4 levels and a plumb line all were in relation. When I lift the rifle and look thru the scope the cross hairs are straight but the bubbles are far left?? When i straighten the bubbles the crosshairs are slanted left...WTF!? HELP

 

[badammo]

Try setting up a level on a shelf and then look through the scope and line up the horizontal reticle. Then check you bubble level. All should be the same. Sometimes our stance can make things appear off. 

 

[TimeRabbit]

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[boscoebrea]

Sorry to say you are not a level person with your feet square to the ground,fear not neither is the world.Cant is the word.You must decide which is right .The longer your neck .the higher the rings the more pronounced the problem....Believe in the bubbles and let no one pop them.

 

[Redick]

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly but it could be when you make your cheek weld your head is tilted making the level crosshairs look 

When I shoulder the rifle the crosshairs are straight to my eyes but the bubbles say I'm off left. I straighten the bubbles up by tilting the rifle until all bubbles are even now my rifle is canted left. I don't get it

 

[Guest]

If your bubbles are right and the cross hairs line up with a plumb line then all is "PLUMB" good. You don't have to be holding the rifle to check this. Once you have that done if the bubbles attached to the scope disagree with the reticle the reticle has shifted.

 

[marflow]

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[mercado]

It happens to me all the time..I play with it until I see it straight ..I take my time with the levels ,and when I shoulder the rifle I see a little twist to one side or the other. 

 

[leadfoot]

Levels and other scope mounting aids can drive you crazy. You get it right, finish tightening the screws, put it up and you think it may be twisted a bit. Aghhh!

What I do now is... mount the scope snugly, stand in front of a mirror and make sure the gun/scope relation is vertical and not canted, then if the horizontal line appears fine, I finish tightening the screws, check again and call it a day.

 

[Redick]

I think I'm going to remove the levels its driving me insane!

 

[sonny]

maybe your rifle (is) canted but all your leveling devices aren't.... start the process over, gun first. Scope rail could be crooked.

 

[cmatera]

Leveling devices give me fits too. I gave up on them for a while, but am trying them again. My problem is, I have a fused right wrist, and the way I am able to hold the gun is causing cant.

 

[sonny]

this thing works pretty good for me, then all you need to do is put a bubble on your rail or scope rings to tell you if your holding the gun level.

 

[Glenroiland]

Show us a picture of your face. Maybe your eyes are crooked...lol.



This has always been a struggle for me. Trust the bubble....

 

[cea1960]

I know my scope is set up right, but installing 2 levels, one on each side of the breech gave me fits. I removed them and set my paper targets up level, then as i practice my off hand shooting, i make sure the reticle is lined up with the target cross hairs. Muscle memory is learned so when i go hunting the cheek weld and hold is the same and the rifle should be level. When hunting, you seldom have time to check levels before taking a shot.

 

[douger]

sonny has the right tool I got one and never looked back still use my bubble levels to check I= leveling and its always dead nuts no second guessing anymore

 

[bucketboy]

If there is a flat spot on you gun, all you need is a straight edge, a rubber band an a mk1 eyeball. 

simply line up the cross hair with the straight edge, job done.



Bb

 

[Exitpupil]

Setting a scope up correctly can be a much harder job than one might think. Getting a scope installed at the optimal eye level for proper head positioning, with proper eye distance, with the crosshair directly over the bore axis, and the crosshair plumb, with necessary droop compensation, with windage compensation if needed, with the turret adjustments near the optical center when the gun is sighted in are a lot of variables to solve. I can share my following experiences:

Many average Joe's can just eyeball a scope well enough for hunting and plinking, job done.

Scope turret caps frequently are not square to the crosshair. Ditch those cute cap levels.

Actions (and their flat surfaces) are frequently not square to their scope mount holes or grooves. Your expensive machinist .005" level is not valid.

Barrels frequently are not square to the axis of the action. Frustrating to find out when you sight in.

Actions are not always squarely mounted in the stock. This will really make your eyes seem crooked!

Scope bases, mounts, rings, etc have varying tolerances. Sometimes you don't even get what you pay for.

In the case of long range shooters or say Field Target where the pellet trajectory has to be precise from 10 yds to 55 yds without any windage error the set up is critical. I have found this tool a huge time saver sometimes saving literally hours on a critical scope set up. 

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/scope-reticle-levelers/vertical-reticle-instrument-prod6097.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=EXD%2bENGINEERING

The EXD Engineering instrument, Burris Signature Zee adjustable rings, padded vise, and a plumb bob can get it done right (with patience).

Will Piatt

 

[Glenroiland]

Setting a scope up correctly can be a much harder job than one might think. Getting a scope installed at the optimal eye level for proper head positioning, with proper eye distance, with the crosshair directly over the bore axis, and the crosshair plumb, with necessary droop compensation, with windage compensation if needed, with the turret adjustments near the optical center when the gun is sighted in are a lot of variables to solve. I can share my following experiences:

Many average Joe's can just eyeball a scope well enough for hunting and plinking, job done.

Scope turret caps frequently are not square to the crosshair. Ditch those cute cap levels.

Actions (and their flat surfaces) are frequently not square to their scope mount holes or grooves. Your expensive machinist .005" level is not valid.

Barrels frequently are not square to the axis of the action. Frustrating to find out when you sight in.

Actions are not always squarely mounted in the stock. This will really make your eyes seem crooked!

Scope bases, mounts, rings, etc have varying tolerances. Sometimes you don't even get what you pay for.

In the case of long range shooters or say Field Target where the pellet trajectory has to be precise from 10 yds to 55 yds without any windage error the set up is critical. I have found this tool a huge time saver sometimes saving literally hours on a critical scope set up. 

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/scope-reticle-levelers/vertical-reticle-instrument-prod6097.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=EXD%2bENGINEERING

The EXD Engineering instrument, Burris Signature Zee adjustable rings, padded vise, and a plumb bob can get it done right (with patience).

Will Piatt

Sweet! And the price is not bad.

 

[Redick]

I appreciate all the help guys but I have found out it's me and not the scope,rings or rail. How do I know.? Well, I went out to sight in scope after the leveling and it was a different sight picture all was level and crosshairs were straight  

When I went to sight in I was laying prone and everything was in relation all square, when I shouldered the rifle and looked thru scope crosshairs are canted so it's my stance that's the problem.

I appreciate all the help from you guys. Best damn forum created! Happy new years. 

P.s 

After I got it all together I picked off a couple pest at 34yds with the .30 Flex