As a dealer I want tell you the biggest hurdle people have with PCP's
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Ever do a demonstration for your customers? Maybe an open house show? Have a pesting party? Clean out a barn full of pigeons and not blow holes in a roof?
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I admire your dedication, Cody, but...
I think their lack of interest is perfectly understandable. Most people don't want to have to pony up for, and then have to mess with a peripheral power supply. High pressure is no joke to deal with either. Replacing o-rings can be a pain, too. Then there's the whole world of tuning that PCP shooters seem to have so much trouble dealing with. How many "I have a problem with my PCP" threads are there on this board alone?
Ranchers and farmers usually have a "one and done" kind of mentality because their time is so much in demand. Why screw with all that when you can pick up a box of .22 shorts for the ol' Remington at the hardware store.
I'd considered a lower cost PCP, but won't touch one without both a foot-pump and a co2 bulk fill option. Without those, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. An air-gun dedicated compressor won't ever be a consideration.
Cheers,
J~
I think their lack of interest is perfectly understandable. Most people don't want to have to pony up for, and then have to mess with a peripheral power supply. High pressure is no joke to deal with either. Replacing o-rings can be a pain, too. Then there's the whole world of tuning that PCP shooters seem to have so much trouble dealing with. How many "I have a problem with my PCP" threads are there on this board alone?
Ranchers and farmers usually have a "one and done" kind of mentality because their time is so much in demand. Why screw with all that when you can pick up a box of .22 shorts for the ol' Remington at the hardware store.
I'd considered a lower cost PCP, but won't touch one without both a foot-pump and a co2 bulk fill option. Without those, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. An air-gun dedicated compressor won't ever be a consideration.
Cheers,
J~
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I use a spirittech compressor. It was $120. I farm and woild rather ise a pcp over rimfire anyday. Less stress on the animals that occupy the farm, whether they are pets are livestock.
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I think the low cost regulated pieces that have come out in the last years might be able to change some minds.
The notos now can be found starting at $197.00 brand new, a 67cc tank can be filled easily with a pump. But the effectiveness of a cheap Amazon PCP compressor can't be overstated, as the brand name ones are mostly just rebranded Amazon Chinese single and dual cylinder compressors. A notos is affordable and it performs incredibly for the price. Accuracy, decent power, ease to fill, and fun. Rimfires cant fire the same projectile at a massive spectrum of velocities. Rimfires are firearms and arent legal to use in nearly as many places we pcps, as scotay says, not as likely to spook livestock, rimfires suppressors aren't that cheap and waiting for the Alphabet org to actually approve the 200 tyranny tax to get it almost as quiet as a PCP about levels the cost to a premium PCP with a compressor.
The notos now can be found starting at $197.00 brand new, a 67cc tank can be filled easily with a pump. But the effectiveness of a cheap Amazon PCP compressor can't be overstated, as the brand name ones are mostly just rebranded Amazon Chinese single and dual cylinder compressors. A notos is affordable and it performs incredibly for the price. Accuracy, decent power, ease to fill, and fun. Rimfires cant fire the same projectile at a massive spectrum of velocities. Rimfires are firearms and arent legal to use in nearly as many places we pcps, as scotay says, not as likely to spook livestock, rimfires suppressors aren't that cheap and waiting for the Alphabet org to actually approve the 200 tyranny tax to get it almost as quiet as a PCP about levels the cost to a premium PCP with a compressor.
A notos, a discover optics FFP, some 15.89 jts or Hades, and a shoebox spritech is just as or more affordable than a Ruger 10/22 with threaded barrel, a gemtech 22 can, the tax stamp, the trust or will, the surrendering of 4th amendment protections, ammo, and glass.
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Well put, I am in the world of PCP because I was saving for a .22 can, silence is golden. However it may still be illegal to shoot in the backyard. That is the case here, since I am a couple hundred feet inside city limits. I may still get a .22 can, I really dislike the Govt interference.
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My $.02 into this discussion. A number of years ago I bought several surplus SCBA (66 cu. ft firefighter tanks) for $50 a piece. They had (9 years still left on the manufacturers date), and I've had them recerted once since then ($35/each) at my local dive shop. They charge $18 a refill to 4500 psi.
I've never owned a compressor...but probably will when these tanks run out of manufacturers date. This method has "by far" been the cheapest route to go with both my FX and Notos air rifles. Recharging the rifles takes about a minute, and the SCBA tanks go for about 800 shots between refills.
The one caution is that a reputable dive shop will not recharge an out of date (manfacturer or recert) tank.
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I've never owned a compressor...but probably will when these tanks run out of manufacturers date. This method has "by far" been the cheapest route to go with both my FX and Notos air rifles. Recharging the rifles takes about a minute, and the SCBA tanks go for about 800 shots between refills.
The one caution is that a reputable dive shop will not recharge an out of date (manfacturer or recert) tank.
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Shoe compressor? Lmao. Good one. It you like waiting 6 hours for a fill sure. I'll stick to a Yong heng that gets the same job done in 20 minutes lmao
I fill direct to my onboard bottles. .500 and 580cc 150-250 and 300 just minutes. My compressor can run off of car batteries. They now make GX compressors that run off DeWalt 20v.
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I was referring to the shoe box. I remember back in the days b4 compressor like Yong heng and other probable compressor was a thing, the shoe box compressor was the only cheap option and it would take hours to fill or top off a tank. I think to fill a big tank from empty took like a day lol. Good old days.
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I imagine it would take a good while on mine.. essentially a YH without water-cooling. The duty cycle on mine is 10 on 15 off. I can't imagine id enjoy the experience. I'd have to change the damn oil water filters 5 times before a 9l fill likely. Not enviable. I dont know whether Its really worth getting another Dual Cylinder gas or electric and filling bulk tanks when my current method of compressor fills works just fine.
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Could you give out a demo airgun with an approximate shot count ? Then when they return it show them how easy it is to fill . With all the benefits of a pcp they will get a chance to see it first hand . Like mentioned above, stress on livestock , over penatration , ammo cost and noise would be big selling points .
You could let them know divers have a large cylinder on their back at 3500 psi , to ease their high pressure concerns .
You could let them know divers have a large cylinder on their back at 3500 psi , to ease their high pressure concerns .
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"Shoe compressor? Lmao. Good one. It you like waiting 6 hours for a fill sure. I'll stick to a Yong heng that gets the same job done in 20 minutes lmao"
Keep laughing while you buy one after the other when they crash, while the Shoebox just keeps on chugging.
It does NOT take 6 hours to fill, unless perhaps you are filling from empty. A typical top-off is usually around 45-60 minutes.
No overheating, no oil maintenance or special lubrication that must be changed, no wait time due to resting for cooling.
A rebuild at around 100 hours using O-Rings only for the Shoebox. They are a great little machine.
You just keep "LMAO" while spending more on a new YH, made in China buddy.
Keep laughing while you buy one after the other when they crash, while the Shoebox just keeps on chugging.
It does NOT take 6 hours to fill, unless perhaps you are filling from empty. A typical top-off is usually around 45-60 minutes.
No overheating, no oil maintenance or special lubrication that must be changed, no wait time due to resting for cooling.
A rebuild at around 100 hours using O-Rings only for the Shoebox. They are a great little machine.
You just keep "LMAO" while spending more on a new YH, made in China buddy.
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Airguns are so demanding, that it becomes a whole a$% way of life.
Hobbies are for people with too much free time....and most people ain't got time for that.
-Matt
Hobbies are for people with too much free time....and most people ain't got time for that.
-Matt
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For me the delay, and still reticence, with PCP is the compressor. My TX200 is an easy fix, and it has thousands of round through it. I do not expect the same durability for the RovAir and Avenge-X which cost more than the TX200. I think they are great, but there is a lot to go wrong there.
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I agree Mike. When the "uninitiated" hear the price of airguns they say "that's ridiculous" UNTIL they witness the accuracy & relative silence. Then it's not so ridiculous
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My biggest hang up was the initial cost of PCP rifle vs. something like a Ruger 10/22. Buddy offered me his Hatsan AT44 10 QE with 3-9 UTG scope for $190.
The addiction started. Bought a 2nd brand new. Then CS4 compresor. Then 2 synthetic Flashpups. The ability to fill from solar panels is pretty awesome!
The addiction started. Bought a 2nd brand new. Then CS4 compresor. Then 2 synthetic Flashpups. The ability to fill from solar panels is pretty awesome!
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The Shoebox is slow, but not that slow. Furthermore, the slow speed is a feature, not a problem - they are designed to be able to reject the heat they produce, so they can run darn near continuously (with the auto oiler installed), and it is so easy to thoroughly dry the air going into it so moisture issues are non existent. Mine is a "set it and forget it" compressor, and I do most of my fills while doing other things like mowing the lawn - no need to baby sit it like a Yong Heng.
Yes, the initial fill of my 9L tank to almost 13 hours of runtime (done in three chunks of time) to get it up to 4500 psi. But 30-60 minutes is all I run it for top offs most weeks, and it is so rock solid. Eleven years old and showing no signs of slowing down, with almost no annual maintenance - I started lubing the o-rings with Krytrox oil and now they seem to last forever (almost 200 hours on the current set). I did the calculations on air output vs gun usage, and even my 50 FPE .25s result in about 6 shots wiorth of air for every minute of runtime, so I'll never outshoot its speed unless I take up big bores.
I like it so much that, since parts aren't ready available, I bought a lightly used one off the classifieds to have a back up. I'll likely only ever need or use the Shoebox . . . .
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