I already share the two videos in your first post, please let me know if you or anyone else have any other request, I don’t have absolutely nothing to hide…
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Air Venturi Avenge-X .25 cal vs BRK Ghost .25 cal
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Did you watch the other video on the ghost from the same guy:
(In which he says, in Spanish of course, “excellent PCP, very precise, this one PCP, 98 yards, as if nothing”)
I’d say you’re a bit of a naughty boy, Ray. In Portuguese, we’d say “hipócrita”. I can translate it if needed.
(In which he says, in Spanish of course, “excellent PCP, very precise, this one PCP, 98 yards, as if nothing”)
I’d say you’re a bit of a naughty boy, Ray. In Portuguese, we’d say “hipócrita”. I can translate it if needed.
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The guy says the airgun was “supposedly excellent” simply because like many others YouTubers, they get paid so regardless of whether the tests do not offer the best results, they always highlight the positive and omit the negative aspects they may have. Therefore his opinion has no validity whatsoever, that’s why there is a popular saying “that you cannot try to justify the unjustifiable.” So know who is the supposed hypocrite, me or the guy who is reviewing the BRK Ghost
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This is the other youtube video about the first gen Avenger bullpup .22 vs a .22 cal FX Impact M3. Both airguns tuned to shot the JSB 18 grains pellets at 875 fps at 50 meters range. He is the owner of both airguns. In this video the guy says that both airguns “supposedly shot the same size groups” despite the reality was different as can be seen in the pics, but it was easy to understand since he sell both in the store he owns in his native country of Chile .
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Does that apply to the Avenge-X.The guy says that the rifle is “supposedly excellent” simply because like many others YouTubers, they get paid so that regardless of whether the tests do not offer the best results, they always highlight the positive and omit the negative aspects that the rifle may have. Therefore his opinion has no validity whatsoever, that’s why there is a popular saying “that you cannot try to justify the unjustifiable.” So know who is the supposed hypocrite, me or the guy who is reviewing the BRK Ghost
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There’s another popular saying called having your cake and eating it. That would include using a YouTubers results to disparage a product you don’t seem to like and then claiming the same guy is a hack when his results don’t fit your narrative.The guy says that the rifle is “supposedly excellent” simply because like many others YouTubers, they get paid so that regardless of whether the tests do not offer the best results, they always highlight the positive and omit the negative aspects that the rifle may have. Therefore his opinion has no validity whatsoever, that’s why there is a popular saying “that you cannot try to justify the unjustifiable.” So know who is the supposed hypocrite, me or the guy who is reviewing the BRK Ghost
Here’s the troll test, Ray: Swallow your pride, edit your first post to include pictures from the third video and state that the same reviewer shot the Ghost again and found it to be “excellent and precise”.
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Please explain the reason why I would have to say the same about the Avenge-X when it has proven to have much better accuracy, every time it has been compared to others high-end airguns even though they cost 4 times more his retail price in all those tests…
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But do you still find it difficult to understand that 90% of all the people who review and evaluate all this airguns are sponsored by the same people who sell them to the general public in their different businesses??? Are you unaware that the vast majority of all the products they test and evaluate including the airguns, the bipods, the scopes, the moderators and air compressors are given for FREE as a payment method for having promoted on their respective youtube channels??? That’s why there is another popular saying that says, “you can’t cover the sky with one hand”
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AGT Uragan 2 .25 vs .22 cal Air Venturi Avenger and Avenge-X. Please gentlemens pay close attention to the accuracy between this high end airgun vs these low budget Avengers and new Avenge-X especially when he was shooting the targets with them. Sure the Uragan accuracy could be improved by lowering his fps speed by changing his oem reg and h/s settings, but unfortunately this requires to remove the stock and a reg tester is also required to be able to make these changes. While with the Avengers and Avenge-X despite their affordable price we can do all this changes ourselves, because the h/s and reg are externally adjustable and there are dozens tutorials everywhere in the net about how to do them including the ones in these videos
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Maybe the initial test was biased. Maybe it wasn't. Why did the second test of the Ghost perform so well compared to the first. On a side note...you appear to suffer from an inferiority complex based on the fact you feel the need to justify what you have and compare it to other more expensive offerings.Please explain the reason why I would have to say the same about the Avenge-X when it has proven to have much better accuracy, every time it has been compared to others high-end airguns even though they cost 4 times more his retail price in all those tests…
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Ray has made up “his mind” Avengers for everyone… “all the other PCPs simply suck…”
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The lesson to be learned like so many other similar threads:
You have to tune your rifle as the end user. Every rifle is different, even if they were assembled next to each other.
If I buy a gun tuned in Utah,Arizona, China, Germany, UK; I don’t expect it to perform the same as the test sheet at my home, which is 20 feet above sea level.
Build quality is undeniable. I have cheap and I have expensive. Confidence is the final step in performance.
I have 100% respect for YT or other forms of reviewer that take the time to get full performance from a platform. Tell me everything it took and how long.
Be unbias and let the results speak for themselves, but put in the work and show it.
Respect others decision to buy a platform that might take more work/time to adjust. In my experience the internal regulator, like in my cricket and multiple huma aftermarket rifles, are more hearty than externally adjustable units. But everyone’s mileage may vary.
You have to tune your rifle as the end user. Every rifle is different, even if they were assembled next to each other.
If I buy a gun tuned in Utah,Arizona, China, Germany, UK; I don’t expect it to perform the same as the test sheet at my home, which is 20 feet above sea level.
Build quality is undeniable. I have cheap and I have expensive. Confidence is the final step in performance.
I have 100% respect for YT or other forms of reviewer that take the time to get full performance from a platform. Tell me everything it took and how long.
Be unbias and let the results speak for themselves, but put in the work and show it.
Respect others decision to buy a platform that might take more work/time to adjust. In my experience the internal regulator, like in my cricket and multiple huma aftermarket rifles, are more hearty than externally adjustable units. But everyone’s mileage may vary.
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For the only reason why in this second test the BRK Ghost shows greater accuracy vs the first one was because all the shooting was done at a closer range only between 50 and 60 meters, but when he tested at 89 meters he wisely chose to shot a few soda can’s instead of a target, because at this longer range the airgun don’t perform as well because it doesn’t have the same accuracy. But isn’t a high-end airgun like this one that cost over $2,000 dollars supposed to be able to maintain the same accuracy at a longer range? The following pics speaks for themselves, remember what I said before all this youtube reviewers get paid, this is why they perform the test to highlight the positive and omit the negatives aspects the airguns may have
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Just food for thought, when doing rifle comparisons you need to eliminate the human factor as much as possible.
I’d suggest getting a full rifle rest.
The support distance on the rifle avenger is a good deal longer and more stable. The shorter bullpup with a bipod set under the bottle and a bag under the grip will cause an incredible more movement with only a slight move.
I’m not saying it will change anything hugely, but it could. I’m just trying to help you and others in the future.
I come from a science background, and currently in the field. To be objective you have to have the same baseline standards.
I’d suggest getting a full rifle rest.
The support distance on the rifle avenger is a good deal longer and more stable. The shorter bullpup with a bipod set under the bottle and a bag under the grip will cause an incredible more movement with only a slight move.
I’m not saying it will change anything hugely, but it could. I’m just trying to help you and others in the future.
I come from a science background, and currently in the field. To be objective you have to have the same baseline standards.
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Buenos dias ese no es el punto, sólo deseo resaltar las cualidades que tienen estos rifles relativamente económicos comparado con los de alta gama eso es todo. Estoy seguro que si me conocieras personalmente pensarías muy distinto, pero respeto tu opinión. Sólo intento defenderme de todos los ataques que me están haciendo para intentar minimizar mi credibilidad como persona, pero no me importa ya que estoy acostumbrado y estoy consciente que cada persona va a defender su punto de vista en particular y eso es completamente entendible. I translated this comment from spanish to English for the people who don’t understand spanish.Ray has made up “his mind” Avengers for everyone… “all the other PCPs simply suck…”
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Good morning that is not the point, I just want to highlight the qualities that these relatively inexpensive rifles have compared to the high-end ones, that's all. I'm sure if you knew me personally you would think very differently, but I respect your opinion. I'm just trying to defend myself from all the attacks that are being made against me to try to minimize my credibility as a person, but I don't care since I'm used to it and I'm aware that each person is going to defend their particular point of view and that is completely understandable.
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It makes me want to do a little experiment to show how 1cm of rear vertical movement can translate at a known distance with different points of support. Some might be shocked.
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And just another observation for consistency sake. Do the projectiles have similar BC values. At 100 yards the groups of a pellet vs a slug when adding even a slight wind could explain some of the groups.I completely agree with your opinion
I don’t have a dog in this fight. I just want to help you and others in the future.
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Ray, I guess none of us can understand what the feelings are that lead you to have to push these arguments. But, I for one, don’t look down on you because you’re shooting a “budget” gun. Your videos are very enjoyable and it’s clear that your Avengers are doing their job well. I’m certainly envious of your ability to sit out in your sunny yard and enjoy some shooting at this time of year. Why not just stick to the positives and drop the negatives. There’s no doubt some people out there struggling with BRKs, Daystates, FXs or any number of other expensive guns. It happens with everything. No need to rub salt into wounds.
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Hi Ray. I don't have a bone to pick. Just an initial observation to your OP. Maybe I missed it but the Avenger is shooting slugs at 87yds and the Brocock is shooting pellets at a distance of 98 yds. The Brocock got a 11yd handicap. 11 yds in the air rifle hobby can be a fairly significant factor. Pls explain this discrepancy. Now I may be wrong but I thought slugs are supposed to be naturally more accurate at greater distances than pellets. Also, the post about the accuracy comparison with both rifles using the same FPS. Well,if you lock in the fps and the variety of pellets used. I think it will be a toss up with many given rifles. Take my FX Dreamline that I WON here on AGN (still grinning) for example. "My personal observation". FX had it adjusted to shoot JSB 18gr pellets at 880-890, "I can't remember now", fps. At 50yds it was a 3/4"ish group. I reduced the fps to 840 and was rewarded with a 1/2' group at 50 yds. Now I'm fairly confident that someone elses FX Dream will shoot better with the same pellet at a different velocity. The other category that I did not see here,maybe I missed it,sry if I have. Is how well they last before having any maintence issues surface or are a common occurance. Of course the Avengers are too new, in my humble opinion to have a legit history. But,according to some reviews I have read. They did have a bit of a bumpy start. I don't know about Brococks. So in conclusion to this long @$$ post. I think the comparison is a little scewed.
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