Air Venturi Avenge-X 5.5mm (.22) 100 meter accuracy with pellets.

[Caliber 22]

I am interested in buying an Avenge-X tactical in 5,5mm / .22 to shoot 18 grain pellets with. I don't want to shoot slugs with it.

I first want to see what it's performance at about 100 meter is. Is it accurate at that distance and what is the average group size. I did see Steve's video and photos of his .25 at 120 yard (109 meter), but that is a .25 shooting slugs, two things helping in the accuracy department.

Does anybody have a .22 shooting at those distances and what is your average groups size? Yes, my pcp do shoot the occasional sub-moa 100 meter group with pellets but that is not the average, the average is 2 moa. If the Avenge-X does not do better than the one I have there is no reason for me buying it.

 

[nervoustrig]

Having zero experience with the Avenge-X, I will nevertheless posit the following...

Anyone who would tell you they are averaging 1.5 MoA 5-shot groups at 100 yards with pellets using a $500 rifle should be regarded with great skepticism.

 

[Scotay42]

Having zero experience with the Avenge-X, I will nevertheless posit the following...

Anyone who would tell you they are averaging 1.5 MoA 5-shot groups at 100 yards with pellets using a $500 rifle should be regarded with great skepticism.

Or they know how to tune and shoot. 1.5 MOA is not very accurate.

 

[Caliber 22]

Or they know how to tune and shoot. 1.5 MOA is not very accurate.

With 18gr pellets ?

 

[Caliber 22]

Having zero experience with the Avenge-X, I will nevertheless posit the following...

Anyone who would tell you they are averaging 1.5 MoA 5-shot groups at 100 yards with pellets using a $500 rifle should be regarded with great skepticism.

Steve showed better than 1 moa with the .25 and slugs but he did not say what the average was. I can also show a 0.85 moa 100 meter group but that is not the average.

 

[nervoustrig]

1.5 MOA is not very accurate.

As an average of multiple groups with pellets at 100 yards, 1.5 MoA is beyond exceptional. There are but a handful of marksmen with expert wind-reading skills who can pull off such a feat with an exquisitely smithed and tuned rifle of any price, let alone with a $500 rifle that has been merely tuned.

The key word here is average. One or two 1.0-1.5 MoA groups out of 10 at 100 yards is an achievement worthy of praise. All 10 groups averaging 1.5 MoA or less is an achievement worthy almost of worship.

I would be surprised if a single person has ever pulled it off with 18gr pellets.

 

[Caliber 22]

So, I then should not feel to bad with my 2 moa average ?

 

[darylm]

Or they know how to tune and shoot. 1.5 MOA is not very accurate.

Uh yeah, it is.

 

[darylm]

So, I then should not feel to bad with my 2 moa average ?

2 inches at 100 yards with pellets is pretty great.

 

[nervoustrig]

So, I then should not feel to bad with my 2 moa average ?

Yes sir, that is precisely what I was hinting at.

Granted if you are among the top 0.5% of marksmen in the world, and enjoy the challenge of lobbing projectiles with poor ballistics at long distances, then by all means slay that dragon. Just know that a lot of men before you fought valiantly and either gave up or retreated back to home base for a more suitable weapon.

 

[Florida_Man]

As someone who shoots the 30YC with a 177.... Those are some magic pellets. But seriously, you have to really inspect your pellets on top of what @nervoustrig said. Repeating it is the difficult part. As a continuing student of marksmanship for the last 28 years, who has been lucky enough to win some competitions, everything has to come together.

I have yet to see anyone set up a rifle on a mechanical shooting device while being indoors. Until then you can't evaluate a rife, but you'll still have the pellet issue.

 

[Scotay42]

I do understand what you are saying. If you are happy with 2moa then great. I shoot 1in spinners on the regular with jsb 18.1, allbeit with accurate rifles. Can i do that with an avenger, i do not know. The .177 avenger i had was garbage, many say they are great but that rifle could barely shoot 2moa at 25yds much less any further. S510, Dreamline, NP03, Maverick, Katran with slugs, Wildcatmk3(.25), marauder FT are the rifles i have owned that could consistently hit those 1in spinners at 100yds and with jsb 18.1s. Or 18g H&N. This is standing with a bipod or bagrest from my deck rail. That is what i like to do with my airguns though. I have had a few that I cannot do that with and they always go to the wayside.

 

[Blejda]

My best ever 5 jishoot group was with Vulcan .25 with Jsb King pellets at 105 yards that measured 13 mm 1/2 inch roughly but my average groups with that rifle was about 1.5 inch at 100y.
In .22 the rifles i had that could average 1.5 or less were 2 Fx Streamlines,Fx Impact mk2,Royale,Kalibrgun Cricket and Vulcan 2.I haven't tested Dreamline that far yet.
That is in no wind conditions.Those rifles had Fx or Cz barrels which are known for quality and accuracy.
I very much doubt Avenge x can be that good.
Regards Marko

 

[MongooseV8]

100 meters? At that distance you are going to be limited by your ammo as much (or more) than your rifle. If I could reliably hit 2moa @100 meters with a pellet I would consider that fantastic accuracy, almost like a unicorn.

 

[Caliber 22]

OK thanks all.

For now I think I will pass on the Avenge-X. If I get solid confirmation that it shoots much better that the one I have, I will reconsider it.
It might be a budget rifle, inexpensive enough for some to have as a throw around rifle, ignored by others as it is "to cheap", and so on. But for me it is still a lot of money just to have another rifle, doing the same as the used one I bought 6 months ago and paid the equivalent of about $150 plus I bought a hand pump and a better budget scope than the no-name Chinese rubbish that was on there. The scope I bought was more expensive than the rifle. I was not planning to go into PCP's but this one came to me as a offer and I thought "why not". Now I enjoy it. But I am not going to pay thousands of $ just to be able to go from 2moa to 1moa with 18gr pellets, that is why I was considering the Avenge-X if it did better. I am not shooting competition but alone in my backyard at home. I do have a .22LR shooting 1moa and the occasional 1/2 moa. It once did 4 shots in one hole the size of a bullet at 50 meter and the 5th shot ruined the group making it about 20mm.

My targets at home:

Some of the better groups with the pcp:

Last time I shot with the .22LR at 100 meter:

 

[Vana2]

Thanks to the OP for posting this question and bigger thanks to those sharing their experiences.

The biggest benefit to all is that we can get a feel for what is reasonable to expect from typical equipment.

It's nice to know what is "typical". My airguns have different performances, I just use them within their accuracy capabilities.

For cost and energy reasons, I prefer .22 caliber, it suits my needs and I'm perfectly OK with its performance. I shoot spinners and don't get too hung up on numbers

Cheers!

 

[JimD]

I only shoot at 100 occasionally because I can't do it at home. I have to go to a range and that is nearly an hour away and a bit of a hassle. Often their are noisy PBs there. But I was still hoping for better than the ~2moa I got from my best shooting Snowpeak P35. I was shooting 21 grain H&N Baracuda Match (it's favorite). I am sure I could do better but I kind of doubt I could average much better. I was using my P35-22 which has given me one 200 score on the 30 yard challenge. It is pretty accurate but 100 yards is a long ways for an airgun I think.

I also have an Avenger, one of the original plastic stock models, not the Avenge X. The one time I remember shooting it at 100 it did a little worse than 2 MOA. Both SPA and Air Venturi are chinese manufacturers so I would be surprised if one was a lot better than the other in accuracy. From my experience with P35s I would also say that there is a range of barrels in this sort of airgun with the best being pretty darn accurate and the worst being plenty good enough to reliably take squirrels under 50 yards. Currently my range of 30 yard challenge scores with my 3 P35s is from 192 to 200 (best score not average). There are much more expensive rifles with this sort of score but there are also better scores, of course, including one by an Avenger.

 

[Caliber 22]

I do understand what you are saying. If you are happy with 2moa then great. I shoot 1in spinners on the regular with jsb 18.1, allbeit with accurate rifles. Can i do that with an avenger, i do not know. The .177 avenger i had was garbage, many say they are great but that rifle could barely shoot 2moa at 25yds much less any further. S510, Dreamline, NP03, Maverick, Katran with slugs, Wildcatmk3(.25), marauder FT are the rifles i have owned that could consistently hit those 1in spinners at 100yds and with jsb 18.1s. Or 18g H&N. This is standing with a bipod or bagrest from my deck rail. That is what i like to do with my airguns though. I have had a few that I cannot do that with and they always go to the wayside.

What are the twist rates of the barrels shooting 1" at 100?

 

[Scotay42]

What are the twist rates of the barrels shooting 1" at 100?

Whatever the manufacturer states. Ive never really paid attention. You have alot of variables in twist rates, as far as pellets, heavy pellets and slugs lightweight or heavy and more. I have found that it is best find out what your rifle will do with what you have at your disposal vs what you want it to do.

 

[JimD]

A 5 mph wind at a 270 degree angle will cause almost half an inch of wind drift on my P35-25 shooting 34 grain FX pellets (from chairgun). My other airguns would drift more. 1 inch groups would require either very low wind or really good wind reading skills. It isn't unusual for wind to vary by 10 mph around here and this is one of the less windy places I have lived.