Air Venturi Avenge-X 5.5mm (.22) 100 meter accuracy with pellets.

[Smallgrouptherapy]

Hi guys, I read this string and I have to disagree that these results are not achievable with good pellets/conditions. I have about 2500 pellets through my avenge x and I usually shoot at 75 yards in my yard. I am confident with consistent calm wind I can put 10 18.13 grain pellets within 1 inch consistently (avg about .75” or 1 MOA). This tells me 1.5 at 100 should be very achievable. I will confirm next day I'm at the range at 100. I’m a .22lr competitor and I have to say with minimal tuning the avenge x will hang with a $500 .22 rifle all day at 50-75 and ammo is way cheaper. The difference comes past 100 unless you want to get into heavy high bc slugs and probably.30 caliber pcp’s to compete past 100 with rimfire. I’d like to know what these posters are shooting off of. A good bi/tripod and a rear bag will make tons of improvement.

 

[Caliber 22]

Hi guys, I read this string and I have to disagree that these results are not achievable with good pellets/conditions. I have about 2500 pellets through my avenge x and I usually shoot at 75 yards in my yard. I am confident with consistent calm wind I can put 10 18.13 grain pellets within 1 inch consistently (avg about .75” or 1 MOA). This tells me 1.5 at 100 should be very achievable. I will confirm next day I'm at the range at 100. I’m a .22lr competitor and I have to say with minimal tuning the avenge x will hang with a $500 .22 rifle all day at 50-75 and ammo is way cheaper. The difference comes past 100 unless you want to get into heavy high bc slugs and probably.30 caliber pcp’s to compete past 100 with rimfire. I’d like to know what these posters are shooting off of. A good bi/tripod and a rear bag will make tons of improvement.

As I understand it from people who know like Miles aka Ballisticboy, the problem with pellets is high twist rate barrels. The speed of the pellets reduce a lot but the revolutions per time unit stay almost the same. When the pellet is on the downward curve it is to stable and don't turn to follow the flight path, then become wobbly and start to spiral. So, higher barrel twist rates might be good for shot distance but not so good for longer distance of 100 meter and beyond. My best 144 meter / 157 yard group with pellets is 50mm on a zero wind day. Most other group attempts on this target was not as successful. My rifle's barrel twist rate is 18.5-1. The POA was centre of the plate and I was shooting from bags.

 

[Jetdro]

As an average of multiple groups with pellets at 100 yards, 1.5 MoA is beyond exceptional. There are but a handful of marksmen with expert wind-reading skills who can pull off such a feat with an exquisitely smithed and tuned rifle of any price, let alone with a $500 rifle that has been merely tuned.

The key word here is average. One or two 1.0-1.5 MoA groups out of 10 at 100 yards is an achievement worthy of praise. All 10 groups averaging 1.5 MoA or less is an achievement worthy almost of worship.

I would be surprised if a single person has ever pulled it off with 18gr pellets.

Shot today , in the wind 100 yards. 2 different pellets on same exact tune. Hades 26.54 and the 33.95. 5 3 shot groups on each pellet, both under MOA AVERAGE

 

[Jetdro]

33.95's

 

[Smallgrouptherapy]

33.95's

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I replied to this thread earlier. Since I have been shooting 18g JTS Dead Center pellets and I have consistently been shooting groups under 1 MOA with consistent wind under 5mph. I typically shoot between 65-85 yards and I can print a 5 shot group within 1 moa at those distances more often than not, with the average definitely under. I truly feel that the avenge x is not the reason for accuracy issues at the distances we are talking. It’s very close to my competition 22lr at those distances and at 100 the .22lr stays consistently around .75 moa where the avenge x dies fall off quickly with 18g pellets past that point. If you are truly staying under 100 yards and are shooting off a very solid position, I would feel comfortable with the avenge x

 

[Caliber 22]

If you are truly staying under 100 yards and ...

That is my problem. My range at home has targets up to 150 meter / 164 y and I already made a target I am going to put at 200 meter / 218 y. And that is for shooting pellets. If I want to shoot longer distance than that I have to go to another shooting range.

Today I got hold of a tin of JSB 13.4gr I normally use in my break barrel and shot with my M22 a few pellets over the chronograph to the 25 meter target. I shot the first 5 shots on the left, then adjusted the scope one or two clicks up and then 5 shots on the right. Not the best but at that speed I did not expect it.

I then shot at 50 meter and 100 meter in almost zero wind. Damn, those 13gr pellets do good if there is no wind. At 100 meter it did about 30mm group. Unfortunately I cannot show it as the target was already full of other shot holes and would not make sense. Maybe tomorrow I will try the 100 meter with the 13gr again.

 

[Caliber 22]

This morning here was some wind so I tried the 13gr pellets at 100m again. No-go. The group opened to about 100mm in the wind. So, if there are absolutely no wind, it does good. In the wind it does OK to 50 meter and good (not excellent) at 25 meter. The BC is just to low for any shooting in the wind.

 

[Rizz01]

You are seemingly not going to "buy once cry once". I favor .22lr and shoot 200 yds constantly. I'd love to do the same with air rifles but $$ is the issue. I was at a "crossroad" recently and instead of sinking cash into a cheaper gun to make it perform better, I'm gonna take that money and get a top shelf gun. Airgun accuracy boils down to quality, proper tuning and skill. I have no questions regarding an Avenge-X's capabilities but 100 yds plus will not be it's strong suit. Longer distances will be fun as long as you understand that certain limitations are working against you. If that's unacceptable, break open the piggy bank and look toward RAW, FX, Daystate and other top level brands.

 

[Caliber 22]

You are seemingly not going to "buy once cry once".

There is NO WAY I am going to spend that much money on a airgun I use as a hobby. I am semi retired but still have to work to make ends meet, so I have to be wise on how I spend on hobby items.

Here is what I wrote in another thread, copied as is:

Correct. And I just thought about this: According to some sources I read, and they differ, in the USA the median middle class income is $75,000 to $100,000 per year, you will know better and can correct me if it is wrong. Where I live the median middle class income is an equivalent of $10,000 to $15,000 per year, depending on the area you live it will be higher. Together with that our cost of living is lower in proportion. That is also why people from USA and Europe consider SA as a very cheap tourist destination. That makes a $1,000 for rifle like this much more expensive for us than for you in USA, we don't pay less for it in comparison to our living cost. Therefore we expect more, much more for the $1,000 than you who might think it is cheap. When I tell people around here to buy a budget PCP of $300 they shake their head and say it is to expensive and they cannot afford it. The result is that few people have pcp's and it is considered a rich mans toy.

 

[Caliber 22]

I favor .22lr and shoot 200 yds constantly.

I also love my .22LR and shoot it just as often as the pcp, just less shots per session. That is also why I want to shoot pellets and not slugs with it. What is the advantage of a pcp shooting expensive slugs if the ammo reach the cost of a .22LR. My .22LR will group 1moa at 100 - 200 meter and 1/2 moa is not uncommon.

 

[Rizz01]

I didn't mean to offend. If I did, I apologize.
I understand your post completely.
I am up there in age myself. Over the past 2 years I've had numerous surgeries to fix what I damaged when I was younger. I'm currently drowning in the costs my insurance didn't pay. Might I suggest a gun that I've been looking at? Snowpeak M60B.
Looks like a clone of an FX Impact. There are guys shooting 100 yds and very happy with it. I haven't purchased one because they are hard to get (sell out quick) and I have to order it from a retailer in Canada. Just not big on the wait time to ship back and forth if there were a warranty issue. It's also not much more than the Avenge X.

 

[Caliber 22]

I didn't mean to offend.

No, definitely not. Your input is appreciated.

 

[Smallgrouptherapy]

That is my problem. My range at home has targets up to 150 meter / 164 y and I already made a target I am going to put at 200 meter / 218 y. And that is for shooting pellets. If I want to shoot longer distance than that I have to go to another shooting range.

Today I got hold of a tin of JSB 13.4gr I normally use in my break barrel and shot with my M22 a few pellets over the chronograph to the 25 meter target. I shot the first 5 shots on the left, then adjusted the scope one or two clicks up and then 5 shots on the right. Not the best but at that speed I did not expect it.

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I then shot at 50 meter and 100 meter in almost zero wind. Damn, those 13gr pellets do good if there is no wind. At 100 meter it did about 30mm group. Unfortunately I cannot show it as the target was already full of other shot holes and would not make sense. Maybe tomorrow I will try the 100 meter with the 13gr again.

Now I have a better understanding of what you are trying to achieve and I believe you are going to experience a combination of challenges at distances past 100yards (possibly 75, especially with lighter pellets) that others were discussing. There’s 2 huge factors with light dome style pellets vs higher bc slugs and/or moving up to rimfire or higher caliber pellets. The first you addressed being the wind. In a no wind situation you are correct that they should fly straight but that’s saying a lot. Any wind will start to SIGNIFICANTLY effect a 13g pellet at 100. To the tune of easily a full MOA adjustment for a small change.

The second that’s much more significant is stability. As the pellet slows (which it does very quickly at those low bc’s, the spin rate doesn’t slow as quickly. I can clearly see in my scope at about 75 yards when the pellets go from a perfect spiral to a much more wobbly flight. That continues to become more severe until tumbling starts. It’s a pellet phenomenon that doesn’t happen nearly as significantly with slugs or actual billets out of powder cartridges.

Do your own testing but I feel very confident saying that the avenge x will be very very accurate up to 75 yards and in a very calm day may stretch to 100 with 13g pellets. Moving to 18.13 (I have mine tuned to 2100psi on the regulator and one full turn clockwise on the hammer spring from zero). That gets me crazy consistent speeds and accuracy to 100 in calm wind. Moving up in weight and more importantly sectional density will continue to improve bc and stretch distance (because speed is maintained longer) before the spiraling starts. Moving to a 25.39 (different tune needed) might get you to 164y but the elevation numbers at 218Y they really get crazy. My calculation is a MOA correction of 16.1 MOA at 100 but that goes to 41.3 at 160 and 71 at 210!!! To give a comparison at 210 my 22lr needs only 25.5 MOA and my competition “real” rifle (7 prc) needs 1.1 MOA. So not that your distances are impossible but me shooting my 18.13 pellets at 220 yards would be comparable in difficulty to shooting my .22lr at 400 yards and my 7prc at 1930 yards. Both could be fun but I’m certainly not shooting groups. I’m lobbing up Hail Marys hoping to hear a “ding”. .

Hopefully this is helpful. There are definitely limits to what can be done with light pellets but stay with in them and I can tell you the avenue x is capable of sub moa results out to 100 in good conditions!

 

[Caliber 22]

Now I have a better understanding of what you are trying to achieve and I believe you are going to experience a combination of challenges at distances past 100yards (possibly 75, especially with lighter pellets) that others were discussing. There’s 2 huge factors with light dome style pellets vs higher bc slugs and/or moving up to rimfire or higher caliber pellets. The first you addressed being the wind. In a no wind situation you are correct that they should fly straight but that’s saying a lot. Any wind will start to SIGNIFICANTLY effect a 13g pellet at 100. To the tune of easily a full MOA adjustment for a small change.

The second that’s much more significant is stability. As the pellet slows (which it does very quickly at those low bc’s, the spin rate doesn’t slow as quickly. I can clearly see in my scope at about 75 yards when the pellets go from a perfect spiral to a much more wobbly flight. That continues to become more severe until tumbling starts. It’s a pellet phenomenon that doesn’t happen nearly as significantly with slugs or actual billets out of powder cartridges.

Do your own testing but I feel very confident saying that the avenge x will be very very accurate up to 75 yards and in a very calm day may stretch to 100 with 13g pellets. Moving to 18.13 (I have mine tuned to 2100psi on the regulator and one full turn clockwise on the hammer spring from zero). That gets me crazy consistent speeds and accuracy to 100 in calm wind. Moving up in weight and more importantly sectional density will continue to improve bc and stretch distance (because speed is maintained longer) before the spiraling starts. Moving to a 25.39 (different tune needed) might get you to 164y but the elevation numbers at 218Y they really get crazy. My calculation is a MOA correction of 16.1 MOA at 100 but that goes to 41.3 at 160 and 71 at 210!!! To give a comparison at 210 my 22lr needs only 25.5 MOA and my competition “real” rifle (7 prc) needs 1.1 MOA. So not that your distances are impossible but me shooting my 18.13 pellets at 220 yards would be comparable in difficulty to shooting my .22lr at 400 yards and my 7prc at 1930 yards. Both could be fun but I’m certainly not shooting groups. I’m lobbing up Hail Marys hoping to hear a “ding”. .

Hopefully this is helpful. There are definitely limits to what can be done with light pellets but stay with in them and I can tell you the avenue x is capable of sub moa results out to 100 in good conditions!

Shooting 13gr pellets is not my norm, this was the second time shooting 13 gr's and the first time shooting it at 100 meter, just because I can. H&N18 gr pellets is my normal pellet and I do buy a lot when I find it at discounted price. 25gr is more expensive and I never find it at discounted price.

At 150 meter I have a 200mm x 200mm steel plate and with 18gr in mild wind I can hit it 10 out of ten times and in no wind do groups of around 50mm - 80mm / 1.2moa - 2moa. I did put a 200 meter target but did not shoot at it yet, high winds, today up to 50km/h and because of the cold my rifle's regulator is leaking so I don't get consistent speeds, mostly much lower as the plenum pressure gets to high. I cannot see beforehand as it does not have a plenum pressure gauge. It must be the O-rings in the regulator because when I put the rifle in the sun to warm up it works 100% but since the weekend it was cloudy and it did not heat up. I am just thinking of it, tomorrow I will heat it with a hair dryer to see what happens. I must also look for O-rings that perform better in the cold.

When my rifle is zeroed at 50 meter at 950fps, I must dial 3.3 m-rad (11.3moa) for 100 meter and 7.3 m-rad (25.1moa) for 150 meter to hit center plate. Like I said, I did not shoot 200 meter yet but Strelok say 12.1 m-rad (41.6moa) for 200 meter. In the 12x scope the 200 meter plate, same size as the 150 meter plate, gets quite small. I don't know what will happen but it is fun to try.

I can tell you the avenue x is capable of sub moa results out to 100 in good conditions!

That is what I want to see about the X. On YT I don't see much and even less trying 100 meter. The one I saw at 100 meter was not doing so good, about 75mm with 18gr.

I don't want to buy to try, I want to know then buy.

 

[Smallgrouptherapy]

Shooting 13gr pellets is not my norm, this was the second time shooting 13 gr's and the first time shooting it at 100 meter, just because I can. H&N18 gr pellets is my normal pellet and I do buy a lot when I find it at discounted price. 25gr is more expensive and I never find it at discounted price.

At 150 meter I have a 200mm x 200mm steel plate and with 18gr in mild wind I can hit it 10 out of ten times and in no wind do groups of around 50mm - 80mm / 1.2moa - 2moa. I did put a 200 meter target but did not shoot at it yet, high winds, today up to 50km/h and because of the cold my rifle's regulator is leaking so I don't get consistent speeds, mostly much lower as the plenum pressure gets to high. I cannot see beforehand as it does not have a plenum pressure gauge. It must be the O-rings in the regulator because when I put the rifle in the sun to warm up it works 100% but since the weekend it was cloudy and it did not heat up. I am just thinking of it, tomorrow I will heat it with a hair dryer to see what happens. I must also look for O-rings that perform better in the cold.

When my rifle is zeroed at 50 meter at 950fps, I must dial 3.3 m-rad (11.3moa) for 100 meter and 7.3 m-rad (25.1moa) for 150 meter to hit center plate. Like I said, I did not shoot 200 meter yet but Strelok say 12.1 m-rad (41.6moa) for 200 meter. In the 12x scope the 200 meter plate, same size as the 150 meter plate, gets quite small. I don't know what will happen but it is fun to try.


That is what I want to see about the X. On YT I don't see much and even less trying 100 meter. The one I saw at 100 meter was not doing so good, about 75mm with 18gr.

I don't want to buy to try, I want to know then buy.

I gotcha. Well if you’re after a video at 100 yards I can probably help but I don’t have a scope cam or anything fancy. I just took 2 5 shot groups for you at 103 yards and it’s not dead calm. Wind is between 2-4 mph today I’d say and not consistent. Here’s what I came up with and these were the first 2 groups after 3 shots to zero. A quarter is 25mm or .9” for reference. Both groups are smaller by measurement than the quarter, the smaller measuring .72”.

 

[Caliber 22]

Thanks for that.
Yes, that is good groups, no matter what rifle is used.

Is your rifle standard?

 

[Smallgrouptherapy]

Thanks for that.
Yes, that is good groups, no matter what rifle is used.

Is your rifle standard?

Yes. I have the tactical with tube. No mods.