Barra 250Z Question

Has anyone changed the buttstock on their 250Z yet? I have a really good Luth-AR on my Armada that I want to change over, but for the life of me, I can't seem to get this original off the "buffer" tube. I tried just swapping out the whole assemblies but the Armada is MIL Spec and I can only assume the Barra is Commercial because the Armada tube is ever so slightly larger than the Barra's. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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The Barra buffer tube is sized mil-spec to take mil-spec aftermarket buttstocks. Mil-spec is actually the smaller diameter to the commercial ones. The thing that is different on the Barra buffer tube is that it is threaded to a different pitch so that you can't add your favorite folding stock adapter to the tube. I know, stupid, right? All of us Barra owners have been commenting on how stupid this is as we each figure this out for ourselves and Barra has offered no explanation for it anywhere.
 
The Barra buffer tube is sized mil-spec to take mil-spec aftermarket buttstocks. Mil-spec is actually the smaller diameter to the commercial ones. The thing that is different on the Barra buffer tube is that it is threaded to a different pitch so that you can't add your favorite folding stock adapter to the tube. I know, stupid, right? All of us Barra owners have been commenting on how stupid this is as we each figure this out for ourselves and Barra has offered no explanation for it anywhere.
Ah. Ok. All this time I have thought the other way around for the tube sizes. Thanks for the education my friend! 👍👍
 
Sorry, forgot to answer your question, complaining about my problem. Typical.

The stock should come off if when you depress the adjustment slide lever all the way down, the pin should move out enough to allow it. If it doesn't, and mine didn't, you might be able to grab the pin with a pair of needle nosed pliers and pull it out more, to slide past the stop. If that doesn't work you have to knock out the pins. That's what I did.
 
Sorry, forgot to answer your question, complaining about my problem. Typical.

The stock should come off if when you depress the adjustment slide lever all the way down, the pin should move out enough to allow it. If it doesn't, and mine didn't, you might be able to grab the pin with a pair of needle nosed pliers and pull it out more, to slide past the stop. If that doesn't work you have to knock out the pins. That's what I did.
Knocking out the pins is what I was thinking too but I was too chicken sh*t to do it, fearing I would f-up my new rifle. Nice to know someone else has done it with success. Gonna try it tomorrow whenever my lazy tail decides to get up. Thanks again 👍
 
To be clear, the 250z's stock is threaded to accept their buffer tube which is Mil-Spec BUT the threads connecting the tube to the gun's stock are not standard mil-spec. I don't know if those are commercial or just something custom that they came up with, nobody has said yet. Barra thinks that it is enough that you can put any mil-spec butt stock on that you want but they are very wrong. When you have a gun as long as this thing is a folding stock is very important.
 
Knocking out the pins is what I was thinking too but I was too chicken sh*t to do it, fearing I would f-up my new rifle. Nice to know someone else has done it with success. Gonna try it tomorrow whenever my lazy tail decides to get up. Thanks again 👍
It won't matter if you screw it up if you are putting a new one on anyway, you will be pitching the old one.
 
To be clear, the 250z's stock is threaded to accept their buffer tube which is Mil-Spec BUT the threads connecting the tube to the gun's stock are not standard mil-spec. I don't know if those are commercial or just something custom that they came up with, nobody has said yet. Barra thinks that it is enough that you can put any mil-spec butt stock on that you want but they are very wrong. When you have a gun as long as this thing is a folding stock is very important.
Ah yeah. I learmed that too. I have a folding stock adapter, but it will not fit on the rifle itself. Thats why I am just changing out the buttstock and keeping their tube in place.
 
At SHOT Show they showed the new Gen 2 1100z and a new 400e, future guns I don't know about yet. The only place the industry seems to talk about upcoming guns is at the trade shows, usually. Daystate just did a release, which is unusual. Usually that would have been done at IWI. I think the internet might finally be starting to have an effect on how things are brought to market. It's about time. So, you're just going to have to keep your ear to the ground, no telling when the info is going to show up anymore.
 
been looking at the Barra compared to the Macavity 30cal. still cant decide. how are you liking it?
I own a .22 250z and a .22 Macavity, and I have written a lot about both, with a lot of pictures, on this website and on Hard Air Magazine's. My opinion of them is this, they are not comparable to each other. In other words, a person that wants one, would not automatically want the other one. The Barra does not come in .30, so if you want a .30 just stop reading right here, get the Macavity.

If you're still reading, I'll try to make this short. First off, the Macavity is a much more refined gun. It feels like quality. The maching is beautiful, the cocking is outstanding. You wouldn't be wrong to think that it cost twice as much as the Barra. The bad points of this gun is the stock is flimsy up front where the Picatinny rail is molded in. It is really the only cheapish thing on the gun itself. The plastic magazines are a little delicate too, but work well, although they don't have a last shot stop, which I'd like to have. They make nicer finished metal version magazines, but don't give them with the gun, which is crazy to me. The other bad thing is that the way the buffer tube goes into the stock you can not use a folding stock adapter with the gun. The trigger group is in a plastic assembly but works well. It can take aftermarket mil-spec butt stocks and AR grips but the screw for the grip is not the standard AR size it is a 10-32. The regulator is a nice unit, but you will have to take the gun apart to adjust it. This gun takes down really well, very easy to work on anyway. I think, unless you use the front Picatinny rail and a bipod a lot, the Macavity is a much nicer gun once you get it adjusted to where you want, and get some of the metal magazines. I was shooting mine with two guys that had BRK Saharas and we all agreed the cocking was smoother on the Macavity, it's that good, in that regard, certainly not the stock though, the BRK rocks with that and it's magazines, and everything else, but then again it should. I'm just saying, for the money, it feels better than anything else I have held in the sub-$500 range.

My Barra came uninspected and very messed up. Other's have come perfect so I am going to skip all of my details here. Barra customer service does try, and are getting better. The gun itself has the same problem as the Macavity in that you can not use a folding stock adapter because the threading is not mil-spec. Which is crazy not to have come with a folding stock, with a gun this long. The picatinny rail is split where the magazine goes, and is not contiguous to mil-spec spacing. So you can't swap around scopes from other guns because the spacing is different. Just plain stupid. If you use the single shot tray and the bolt is all the way back, a pellet can fall down inside of the trigger assembly so you have to be careful. The trigger actually adjusts to be very good, but the safety often won't work after. This is an easy fix if you have the problem but I don't want to get sued so I'll let you all figure it out. Now, even with all the problems I just listed, I really like this gun. The way they did the air cylinder is much simpler than the FX design, and limited (yes) as a result, but I like simple. There is a video out now where Northeastbeast (over at HAM) takes it apart completely and puts it completely back together in 25 minutes. A very nice design. The external regulator adjustment works well and has not creeped at all. It does one up the FX on it's air cylinder being 7075 aluminum instead of what they use, which is 6061. This allows for a 250bar fill for 322cc of air. FX only fills to 230bar unless you get the carbonfiber cylinder. A win for the cheap seats for once. The bolt works well, and looks good on this gun, but I do like sidelevers better. The magazines are metal and are very good, zero complaints with those, and extras are already available and cheap. I'm not big on having to take the gun out of the stock, or the buffer tube off, to adjust the hammer spring, but you don't do that all the time either. Shooting it, there is no ping at all, and yes, w/o a moderator on the end it's loud. This gun in .22 does 50fpe at the top end fairly easily with 25gr slugs. I haven't had the weather to shoot the past month to decide which slugs to run with. It is hard to explain why, with all the problems, and design issues, that I, and others, had, still like this gun so much, but I do. Weird.

Between the Macavity and the Barra, I think that someone just showing up to a range and shooting and handling finished tuned guns, 8 out of 10 would go with the Macavity. The Barra is very long, much harder to take places, and to shoot offhand. I have the short MA2 and I never turned the power all the way up, but I got to 45fpe easily by mistake, so I know the longer version would be able to turn up to the same level as the Barra. The porting on the Macavity is generous, more so, it seems to me, than the Barra. The Barra is cool in a sniper bolt action way that is appealing because it's a new (to most) design, but not as quality feeling as the MA2. A lot of people have gotten great accuracy easily out of the Barra where getting the accuracy out of the Macavity is harder. I think that despite the obvious, easily adjustable external regulator, longer, heavier guns are easier to shoot well. I did get my MA2 to shoot great, but it took a while and I'm not changing it now.

I actually tried to keep it short. I wrote plenty more on the MA2 on this website, and a whole lot more on the Barra over at the HAM website.
 
I own a .22 250z and a .22 Macavity, and I have written a lot about both, with a lot of pictures, on this website and on Hard Air Magazine's. My opinion of them is this, they are not comparable to each other. In other words, a person that wants one, would not automatically want the other one. The Barra does not come in .30, so if you want a .30 just stop reading right here, get the Macavity.

If you're still reading, I'll try to make this short. First off, the Macavity is a much more refined gun. It feels like quality. The maching is beautiful, the cocking is outstanding. You wouldn't be wrong to think that it cost twice as much as the Barra. The bad points of this gun is the stock is flimsy up front where the Picatinny rail is molded in. It is really the only cheapish thing on the gun itself. The plastic magazines are a little delicate too, but work well, although they don't have a last shot stop, which I'd like to have. They make nicer finished metal version magazines, but don't give them with the gun, which is crazy to me. The other bad thing is that the way the buffer tube goes into the stock you can not use a folding stock adapter with the gun. The trigger group is in a plastic assembly but works well. It can take aftermarket mil-spec butt stocks and AR grips but the screw for the grip is not the standard AR size it is a 10-32. The regulator is a nice unit, but you will have to take the gun apart to adjust it. This gun takes down really well, very easy to work on anyway. I think, unless you use the front Picatinny rail and a bipod a lot, the Macavity is a much nicer gun once you get it adjusted to where you want, and get some of the metal magazines. I was shooting mine with two guys that had BRK Saharas and we all agreed the cocking was smoother on the Macavity, it's that good, in that regard, certainly not the stock though, the BRK rocks with that and it's magazines, and everything else, but then again it should. I'm just saying, for the money, it feels better than anything else I have held in the sub-$500 range.

My Barra came uninspected and very messed up. Other's have come perfect so I am going to skip all of my details here. Barra customer service does try, and are getting better. The gun itself has the same problem as the Macavity in that you can not use a folding stock adapter because the threading is not mil-spec. Which is crazy not to have come with a folding stock, with a gun this long. The picatinny rail is split where the magazine goes, and is not contiguous to mil-spec spacing. So you can't swap around scopes from other guns because the spacing is different. Just plain stupid. If you use the single shot tray and the bolt is all the way back, a pellet can fall down inside of the trigger assembly so you have to be careful. The trigger actually adjusts to be very good, but the safety often won't work after. This is an easy fix if you have the problem but I don't want to get sued so I'll let you all figure it out. Now, even with all the problems I just listed, I really like this gun. The way they did the air cylinder is much simpler than the FX design, and limited (yes) as a result, but I like simple. There is a video out now where Northeastbeast (over at HAM) takes it apart completely and puts it completely back together in 25 minutes. A very nice design. The external regulator adjustment works well and has not creeped at all. It does one up the FX on it's air cylinder being 7075 aluminum instead of what they use, which is 6061. This allows for a 250bar fill for 322cc of air. FX only fills to 230bar unless you get the carbonfiber cylinder. A win for the cheap seats for once. The bolt works well, and looks good on this gun, but I do like sidelevers better. The magazines are metal and are very good, zero complaints with those, and extras are already available and cheap. I'm not big on having to take the gun out of the stock, or the buffer tube off, to adjust the hammer spring, but you don't do that all the time either. Shooting it, there is no ping at all, and yes, w/o a moderator on the end it's loud. This gun in .22 does 50fpe at the top end fairly easily with 25gr slugs. I haven't had the weather to shoot the past month to decide which slugs to run with. It is hard to explain why, with all the problems, and design issues, that I, and others, had, still like this gun so much, but I do. Weird.

Between the Macavity and the Barra, I think that someone just showing up to a range and shooting and handling finished tuned guns, 8 out of 10 would go with the Macavity. The Barra is very long, much harder to take places, and to shoot offhand. I have the short MA2 and I never turned the power all the way up, but I got to 45fpe easily by mistake, so I know the longer version would be able to turn up to the same level as the Barra. The porting on the Macavity is generous, more so, it seems to me, than the Barra. The Barra is cool in a sniper bolt action way that is appealing because it's a new (to most) design, but not as quality feeling as the MA2. A lot of people have gotten great accuracy easily out of the Barra where getting the accuracy out of the Macavity is harder. I think that despite the obvious, easily adjustable external regulator, longer, heavier guns are easier to shoot well. I did get my MA2 to shoot great, but it took a while and I'm not changing it now.

I actually tried to keep it short. I wrote plenty more on the MA2 on this website, and a whole lot more on the Barra over at the HAM website.
Thank you for taking the time to explain this! I think the Macavity may fit for my as I don't intend to use a bipod. I did hear about the flimsy stock issue. I hope they address the issue
 
Thank you for taking the time to explain this! I think the Macavity may fit for my as I don't intend to use a bipod. I did hear about the flimsy stock issue. I hope they address the issue
If you can wait Macavity is coming out with all the fixes, the MA3. It will have great stock options, external reg adjustment, bigger plenum.
 
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Here is a response I got from Barra’s customer service department concerning the stock/ buffer tube threads.
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I also heard of a guy on here that ran a 1 3/16“-16 UN tap thru the OEM threads to accept a mil-spec buffer tube or folding adapter. I am thinking of going this route but I will wait until Barra lists replacement 250z stocks. They said they are planning on adding those to the website but do not currently have them.
 
That's an answer, thanks for showing that. I am not too happy with it, for a couple of reasons. I don't know if complaining, or armchair quarterbacking, or whatever you want to call it, helps, but I do know that saying nothing doesn't either. Hopefully pointed criticism can chisel its way to being used constructively, and obvious points not forgotten about or overlooked altogether.

Geo should have been the person giving that answer, and all answers, about design issues with the gun. He was the guy saying in interviews at SHOT Show 2024 that he was the designer that went to, and worked with, SPA on the specs, and has the designer should not have let that pass. This is not an unrealistic expectation either. If a buffer tube is involved, most enthusiasts want to know, commericial or mil-spec, and if it can take a folding stock adapter, ESPECIALLY on a really long gun. This should not have been a surprise to anybody.

They tell us the thread pitch, then say "yup, no adapter made for it, and you're on own to try other stuff," yeah -we already knew that, thanks a bunch.

Now, Barra, if you eventually read this, here is what I would have done, to alleviate some embarrassment for the oversight in the first place. Firstly, not throw my customers to the wolves, and say good luck. I would have called someone in the industry that makes adapters and given them the specs to make one that would convert the stock threads to standard mil-spec. so that I could give customers an option to solve the problem. But who does things like this, where can I find such an outfit, you ask? Try DonnyFL, that's what he does, and he does it well. Even if it would stick out a little and look clumsy, it would look good to me right now. You wouldn't even have to sell or inventory them yourself, just have a link to his website and the product for us to buy. Why not do this? It's a win for everyone involved.