Best Multi-pump
- Thread starter maxfli
- Start date
Re: 367 not on the production burner
Too bad! 'Looks like my upcoming anniversary gift will be appreciated even more than expected. ;-) Thanks for the update.
Too bad! 'Looks like my upcoming anniversary gift will be appreciated even more than expected. ;-) Thanks for the update.
Upvote 0
Yes sir I agree with you 100%Now that sounds like a very good thing! In the meantime, there's something of an option now at the Crosman website that almost lets you create one now, and I think it's an extremely good deal. They have this 'build your own customized airgun' thing at their site going on now (crosman.com), and my wife just let me take advantage of the process to snag me a new '1377' that ended up resembling a highly modified .177 Drifter (I have two of the .22 Drifters -- one scoped and one just iron sights) more than anything else. I chose the 1377 rather than a 1322 as my starting point (I already have a P1322, the Drifters, a C362 & C2023, a Benjamin 397 & 392 and a .22 Seneca D-fly mk2), to which I added the longer metal breech, an 18" barrel (a 14" Walther is offered), a better muzzle with the steel front sight post, a new trigger, a Williams notched sight (instead of a Williams peep (I have a little bit of trouble now with peepers and my nearly seventy year old eyes)), the ubiquitous black plastic Crosman shoulder stock... plus a few other things I'm sure I'm forgetting. To all that I added a LIFETIME guarantee for only $10 extra, applied a 10% discount I'd somehow earned for purchases on their site... and when all finally was said and done, my new customized carbine came in at a very respectable $198 and change. Yes! I'm not much for modding these days (arthritis and trigger finger in both hands makes fine work requiring any strength kinda rough), and heck, I'm not even sure I'd be able to get everything I selected online ordered, delivered, paid for and assembled for that low a price, so this was an AWESOME deal, at least in my book. I even had my wife's name inscribed on the barrel, which was free, so it will always remind me of our anniversary.Anyway, it's already here, but back in the eggshell foam padded delivery box and leaning up against the living room wall, since other than me makin' sure it was intact, what it was supposed to be and worked, we decided to keep it closed up in the box and out of my greedy little paws until our anniversary in December. Now THAT is gonna be rough! ;-) Anyway, you're probably already aware of the Crosman 'roll your own' deal, but just in case, I thought I'd give you a heads up about it (they also have the CO2 2400 and another pistol available for use as starting points for those not interested in variable pumpers). IMO, the price can't be beat, and it's something I've always wanted anyhow. Now... I wonder what kind of deal I could wrangle for a unique all wood stock?
I ordered a 1300KT custom and for the price its an incredible value. If your into multi pumps its a no brainer
Upvote 0
I recently purchased two nice Sheridans by doing a google search for "Sheridan Bluestreak for sale?" I got two hits from pawn shops. I found a 1955 in Oklahoma City, and a 1965 in North Carolina. It's like gambling though you look at the pictures, hit the buy button, and hope for the best.
The pawn shops had no idea about the guns except they were old pump, Sheridan brand, pellet guns. Both were priced at $199. + $8 sh on one and $20 on the other.
Upvote 0
Do you have any photos you wouldn't mind sharing? Seems like it ought'a be a great little target shooter, indoors or out, with enough oomph for short-range squirrel, bunny, bird and pest hunting as well. Enjoy!
Upvote 0
Nice score. I love scouring through Pawn shops when travelling the US. They’re not the same here. Crow
Upvote 0
Sorry I don't have any photos and I've never posted a photo so I'm not familiar on posting phots. I'll try to get more educated on that in the near future. Yes it is a great target shooter, you can go to the Crosman site and go to the custom shop and design your on airgun/carbine I highly recommend it
Upvote 0
Sorry I don't have any photos and I've never posted a photo so I'm not familiar on posting phots. I'll try to get more educated on that in the near future. Yes it is a great target shooter, you can go to the Crosman site and go to the custom shop and design your on airgun/carbine I highly recommend it
No problem about the photos Simplemann. Actually, I have taken advantage of that feature on the Crosman site! My wife just let me design my own version of your build for our upcoming 38th wedding anniversary. I went with the long metal breech and Williams notched sight, rather than the peeper, since my eyes are starting to make aiming with a peep sight more difficult, especially in artificial and low light. To that I added the 18" Crosman barrel rather than the 14" LW version, hoping the few inches of extra length might give me slightly better fps and fpe numbers, and topped it off with the egg-shaped muzzle break with the single metal post sight. I stuck on the practically ubiquitous CAP shoulder stock and there are other differences of course, including my having her name added, so I'll be able to think about her and her very sweet gift every time I pick it up. When I was done selecting goodies, I did some additional research and checked off the ten-buck lifetime guarantee, added the ten percent off coupon I'd earned on the site at some point or other and ended up with a unique, nicely tricked out .177 Crosman pumper for just shy of two hundred dollars. I'm impressed. After giving the deal a little further cognitive cogitation, I strongly doubt I would be able to:
- Locate all the goodies I selected.
- Have everything I needed delivered safely to my home.
- Get all those pieces/parts assembled myself...
...and end up with a flawlessly working airgun with a final total cost of just under two Benjamin's. Wow!
Unfortunately, in my case there's a downside to this pleasant and otherwise painless process -- that being my already delivered, spankin' new, super awesome, custom built carbine named for my incomparable spousal unit... remaining safely ensconced In the eggshell foam inside the Crosman box in which it arrived, cruelly left leaning against the wall of our living room in plain sight of everybody until our anniversary rolls around in late December. Noooooo!!!! ;-)
Along a completely different line of thought: These days, I've come to overwhelmingly prefer .177 over larger calibers for my target shooting, and not just because the pellets are so much more affordable (although that doesn't hurt, especially when using lead free pellets). I like the smaller .177 holes and halos left on the two inch reactive targets I use (six targets across, eight rows down, giving me 48 targets per each 19 x 14 inch cardboard 'sheet' I make from the boxes in which all our online orders are delivered). It's not really an issue if I'm just shooting BE's, but it's quite different when I'm shooting 3 to 5-shot groups. When I'm in the groove, my .22 airgun pellets often complely eliminate the red of the bulls eyes with the first shot, which is my primary aiming point, so unless I shoot the entire group with hole in hole accuracy, for some weird reason, I seem to regularly end up getting much better groups with my .177 caliber air rifles and pellets than I get shooting in .22 caliber! Pointy .22 pellets worked marginally better than my usual pellet types (wadcutters & domes), but not enough to make a really noticeable difference. Besides, there ain't no lead free, pointy-headed pellets available anywhere in any caliber anyhow, so it's moot from the git-go. As for better groups in .177 than I get with .22's: who knows? ;-)
Okay... I can hardly wait for my upcoming wedding anniversary, so I can properly put my own new Crosman pumper through its paces! Such is life, I suppose. At least I can hope you're enjoying yours, Simplemann, so I hope you will. Do it for me.
Bubba
Upvote 0
Your build is pretty similar to mine, .177 with 18" barrel, silver muzzle brake, long steel breech, peep sight, shoulder stock, and silver trigger shoe. Its a blast to shoot and will put the pellet where you aim it. I highly recommend you take it out of the box and put at least 200 pellets through it before December to make sure its functions properlyNo problem about the photos Simplemann. Actually, I have taken advantage of that feature on the Crosman site! My wife just let me design my own version of your build for our upcoming 38th wedding anniversary. I went with the long metal breech and Williams notched sight, rather than the peeper, since my eyes are starting to make aiming with a peep sight more difficult, especially in artificial and low light. To that I added the 18" Crosman barrel rather than the 14" LW version, hoping the few inches of extra length might give me slightly better fps and fpe numbers, and topped it off with the egg-shaped muzzle break with the single metal post sight. I stuck on the practically ubiquitous CAP shoulder stock and there are other differences of course, including my having her name added, so I'll be able to think about her and her very sweet gift every time I pick it up. When I was done selecting goodies, I did some additional research and checked off the ten-buck lifetime guarantee, added the ten percent off coupon I'd earned on the site at some point or other and ended up with a unique, nicely tricked out .177 Crosman pumper for just shy of two hundred dollars. I'm impressed. After giving the deal a little further cognitive cogitation, I strongly doubt I would be able to:
- Locate all the goodies I selected.
- Have everything I needed delivered safely to my home.
- Get all those pieces/parts assembled myself...
...and end up with a flawlessly working airgun with a final total cost of just under two Benjamin's. Wow!
Unfortunately, in my case there's a downside to this pleasant and otherwise painless process -- that being my already delivered, spankin' new, super awesome, custom built carbine named for my incomparable spousal unit... remaining safely ensconced In the eggshell foam inside the Crosman box in which it arrived, cruelly left leaning against the wall of our living room in plain sight of everybody until our anniversary rolls around in late December. Noooooo!!!! ;-)
Along a completely different line of thought: These days, I've come to overwhelmingly prefer .177 over larger calibers for my target shooting, and not just because the pellets are so much more affordable (although that doesn't hurt, especially when using lead free pellets). I like the smaller .177 holes and halos left on the two inch reactive targets I use (six targets across, eight rows down, giving me 48 targets per each 19 x 14 inch cardboard 'sheet' I make from the boxes in which all our online orders are delivered). It's not really an issue if I'm just shooting BE's, but it's quite different when I'm shooting 3 to 5-shot groups. When I'm in the groove, my .22 airgun pellets often complely eliminate the red of the bulls eyes with the first shot, which is my primary aiming point, so unless I shoot the entire group with hole in hole accuracy, for some weird reason, I seem to regularly end up getting much better groups with my .177 caliber air rifles and pellets than I get shooting in .22 caliber! Pointy .22 pellets worked marginally better than my usual pellet types (wadcutters & domes), but not enough to make a really noticeable difference. Besides, there ain't no lead free, pointy-headed pellets available anywhere in any caliber anyhow, so it's moot from the git-go. As for better groups in .177 than I get with .22's: who knows? ;-)
Okay... I can hardly wait for my upcoming wedding anniversary, so I can properly put my own new Crosman pumper through its paces! Such is life, I suppose. At least I can hope you're enjoying yours, Simplemann, so I hope you will. Do it for me.
Bubba
its best to find an issue early, don't ask why I suggest that Upvote 0
I love msp's. I've had from the 101 too the 362. From stock pumpers to .25acp builds. The brass builds are great and also do well with mods (all my 13xx have brass valves now). I agree about the old 140/1400 all metal and wood feel as I have several but not down with the triggers. Out of the box the dragonfly looks great and is on my list. 392 in stock form is fun and sturdy but I love modified builds (mine now shoots at 740fps). Nothing can stay stock with me as I always start to grunt for more power. In stock form I would vouch for my 392 in wood stock good power and accuracy and has the best of both worlds of longevity and eaz of maintenance. If I could only keep any one that I have it 
would be my 1322/66 hybrid shooting 15.89@ 580fps in 14 pumps with folding stock and now has a threaded muzzle break. Only plastic on it is the grips and forearm.
Upvote 0
Need help from any familiar with the 347 or related models of benji.... struggling with my 1972 347. Trying to get the first chamber nut unscrewed with the square tool. wd 40 overnight but still no budge manually. Have not tried a vice yet. One vid on youtube the guy just placed it and turned.... mine, however, is not rotating loose. This gun was never left outside, always indoor closet with AC. But time is time, and likely some thread corrosion or rust. Just need tips from what work for others. thx
Upvote 0
Get a vintage (metal receiver) Daisy 880. Easiest to pump of the pumpers I have and much more accurate and easier to pump than a vintage Crossman 760. Mount a bug buster 3x12 on it. The Sheridan is a lot harder to pump than my Crossman 140 but Sheridan sights and trigger better. However, you need to be sure so buy every vintage pumper you can. Going thru a pumper rabbit hole is not nearly as expensive as a PCP or quality springer rabbit hole.That is true with the pumping. I was thinking that at 71 it's probably not the best time to start shooting a multi pump but I am getting use to it.
Upvote 0
@Trunion: I'm 68 and disabled and multi pumpers are my favorite airgun type. Like probably many of us, I have a few gnarly health issues, including some of the arthritic problems that can sneak up on us with age, but being able to do my usual 10 yard target shooting using less power -- rarely more than four pumps -- makes pretty much every one of my MSPs perfect for the job, even those that can be very tough on hands, elbows and/or shoulders when getting in their full power 8, 10 or more pumps. Plus, when I'm feeling up to shooting, all I really have to do is grab up one of my variable pumpers and a tin of pellets and I'm in business! Still, it's being able to choose the power level that makes the type my favorite, full on for the incredibly rare occasion I have to take out a rat or similar pest, or choosing less when more just isn't necessary. No other type gives me that kind of freedom or utility.
All that aside, the newer Crosman C2023 anniversary edition and C362 MSPs (in .22 caliber) are very easy pumping and better quality air rifles, all the way up to 8-pump full power, for me anyhow, making them two of my favorites for any situation. For just the three pumps necessary to guarantee accuracy at 30 feet, the effort required is almost insignificant. The Seneca Dragonfly mk2 (.22 & .177) rifles aren't too bad either, I have both and choose 'em often, although they do need a bit more effort than the aforementioned Crosman's (but if you can do one pump without pain, the effort for more 'should' be no worse than the first). Also, I recently bought a "Defender" LR700W .22 air rifle, made by Artemis, which turned out to be a carbon copy of the original Artemis and/or Seneca Dragonfly mk1 air rifle from a few years back (not at all a bad thing)! It too turned out to be a very sweet little MSP in every way (I love it), needing only three super easy pumps for short range accuracy and the eight for full power also easily being within my abilities. Your own experience with one or more of them might be different of course, but I thought I'd throw out a few of the easier to charge models that turned out great for me that you might want to consider. There also are many other ridiculously easy pumping MSPs available, especially in .177 caliber, and I probably have just about all of them too, but I chose to give you examples of only the better quality, not so 'toylike' air rifles that pump the easiest and worked out best for me. I decided not to include the others, unless you express an interest in them. If so, I'd be happy to share my experiences with those as well (my .177 Crosman custom shop 1300KT carbine with all the bells and whistles isn't all that tough to charge and is absolutely AWESOME <grin>). Just ask!
Ultimately, whatever you decide to do, good luck with your choices and I hope the hobby continues to be as much fun for you as it is for me! I hope you and everyone else didn't mind my throwin' in my two cents worth.
All that aside, the newer Crosman C2023 anniversary edition and C362 MSPs (in .22 caliber) are very easy pumping and better quality air rifles, all the way up to 8-pump full power, for me anyhow, making them two of my favorites for any situation. For just the three pumps necessary to guarantee accuracy at 30 feet, the effort required is almost insignificant. The Seneca Dragonfly mk2 (.22 & .177) rifles aren't too bad either, I have both and choose 'em often, although they do need a bit more effort than the aforementioned Crosman's (but if you can do one pump without pain, the effort for more 'should' be no worse than the first). Also, I recently bought a "Defender" LR700W .22 air rifle, made by Artemis, which turned out to be a carbon copy of the original Artemis and/or Seneca Dragonfly mk1 air rifle from a few years back (not at all a bad thing)! It too turned out to be a very sweet little MSP in every way (I love it), needing only three super easy pumps for short range accuracy and the eight for full power also easily being within my abilities. Your own experience with one or more of them might be different of course, but I thought I'd throw out a few of the easier to charge models that turned out great for me that you might want to consider. There also are many other ridiculously easy pumping MSPs available, especially in .177 caliber, and I probably have just about all of them too, but I chose to give you examples of only the better quality, not so 'toylike' air rifles that pump the easiest and worked out best for me. I decided not to include the others, unless you express an interest in them. If so, I'd be happy to share my experiences with those as well (my .177 Crosman custom shop 1300KT carbine with all the bells and whistles isn't all that tough to charge and is absolutely AWESOME <grin>). Just ask!
Ultimately, whatever you decide to do, good luck with your choices and I hope the hobby continues to be as much fun for you as it is for me! I hope you and everyone else didn't mind my throwin' in my two cents worth.
Last edited:
Upvote 0
I just received a Steroid 392PA this past week and got a chance to do some shooting with it today and at this point it's my pick for the best multipump I have shot, with a rocker safety Sheridan being a close second. I haven't shot groups with it yet, but with a Williams peep sight on it it just seemed to hit everything I aimed it at and it generates a lot of power per pump. With 12 pumps it makes 20 fpe. 2 pumps is 5 fpe.
It does seem a little bigger and heavier than I remember that old Sheridan being however, and if anyone ever made a modernized version of it it would be greatly improved by a shroud, because at full power it is loud.
It does seem a little bigger and heavier than I remember that old Sheridan being however, and if anyone ever made a modernized version of it it would be greatly improved by a shroud, because at full power it is loud.
Upvote 0
Sounds fantastic! Have any photos you wouldn't mind sharing with us? In my opinion, those original .177 and .22 caliber Sheridan and Benjamin air rifles were pretty much the very first higher quality and higher powered multi stroke pneumatics designed and priced for us regular folks (although there were a few others that might deserve a spot on that list).
l'd love to have at least one of my later-model Benjamin variable pumpers, probably my 392s, rather than the .177 version, really jazzed up. Both rifles shoot very accurately and right hard as delivered, so anything more would be incredible. Since I'm more mechanically declined than inclined even when healthy though, I'm afraid it's destined to remain nothing more than a pipe dream without some kind of miraculous intervention. At least it is a nice dream. ;-)And speaking of sound reduction... I was totally surprised my 'new' Artemis Dragonfly Mk1 (grin) turned out to be the only air rifle I've ever purchased that's delivered with an optional moderator, which went totally unmentioned in the advertising on Amazon.com, where I made the buy. Also included without mention was a small baggie of seals and such, a nice touch, as well as both an advertised single shot tray and an eight or nine round magazine, although I found the multi-pellet magazine to be more of a novelty than something I'll use regularly. Interestingly, both of the 'Butterfly' improved pumping Seneca Dragonfly Mk2 air rifles included single shot and multi-pellet magazines and seals with the purchase, but NOT a moderator. Too bad, as it actually would be right useful for the louder and more powerful Mk2 air rifles. Without the moderator installed, shooting my new LR700W rifle actually was fairly quiet from the git-go, at least compared to most of the rest of the comparably powered airguns in my collection, but once I screwed on the moderator, it made shooting the rifle so quiet that at first, I genuinely started worrying if it was holding the air being pumped into it!
Luckily, several test shots with different pump numbers proved that wasn't the case, thank goodness, so besides it shooting super quietly, my LR700W/Dragonfly Mk 1 also turned out to be one of, maybe even closing in on, being the very best (and my favorite) MSP in my entire collection. It's very accurate with nice open sights, easy to charge, it's put together quite well, the weight is perfect for me and it's even better lookin' than the Dragonfly MK2 rifles it closely resembles, at least in my opinion, so I'm really enjoying it. At first, when I discovered it for sale at Amazon.com, I couldn't find any additional information about, much less a review, of the airgun anywhere online or off, going with how it was advertised on Amazon, and nobody there had even provided a rating yet, but eventually, I pulled the trigger on a purchase anyway and I'm so glad I did! It's definitely a keeper.
Upvote 0
Pumpers are still my favorite of airguns. These three are in all the calibers. Top-177. Middle-20. Bottom-22. The 22 is a steroid with a SC Custom stock. All three are peep sight and scope equipped.
Upvote 0