Best Weihrauch for a first time springer shooter?
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It is a mental illness many of us suffer from. Guy asked us what time it was as he had to make an urgent appointment and we told him how to build 10 different watches after his appointment was finished. Worship of Airguns, no cure but buying them and talking about them eases the symptoms.
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Found a set of these this morning, works perfectly, thank you.
Edit: When I posted earlier that the medium mounts are just too low, I was referring to the Hawke mounts I have.
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Got a question for ya.
Assuming that .20 cal is supposed to be a happy medium between 177 and 22 on trajectory and Ft lbs.
How well does it actually perform compared against 177 & 22.
Juice worth the squeeze?
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I haven’t made a purchase yet. Just made my mind up on the first gun.
Now debating 22 vs 20.
No 177 for this one.
Probably make the purchase next month.
We have been hit up for some medical bills this month. Wife’s cancer scare, 7yo tonsillectomy and I have a new ham tower going up too. Concrete for that job alone is pushing $400. Not counting climber, new antennas, coax connectors and antenna mounts.
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I grew up with a .20 so i'm a bit biased however I have springers in .177, .20, .22 and .25. I always reach for the .20 for pesting and general purpose. I just seems the best of all worlds for me for there is something very special about .20. For shorter range pesting with the .25 is great also. The .177 may come out if i'm just punching paper. The .22 is almost never used. Just my subjective opinion.
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well, If you look at the muzzel velocities of the three caliber that the gun in question is rated for, then find a pellet that you like, then find the weight of that pellet in each caliber. Now decide the sight in distance you will use, and go to this chart and enter your info using balistec coefficient of 0.050. That will show you the stats you need to compare.
Most of my squirrel kills were with my .20 cal Sheridan. When I switched to the R1 .20 cal, I can't remember exactly but I had an extra 250 fps or so. I concidered that to be extra range with a flatter trajectory, and as it turned out it was considerably quieter.
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With all due respect. No pellet I know has a BC of 0.050. Unless I don't understand your post applying the same BC to all calibers skews the results.
With double chronograph testing at 47 yards with my 20 cal R1.
20 JSB 13.73 = 0.0373
20 H&N 11.42= 0.0274
I haven't verified chair guns numbers
But
22 FTTs 14.66 = 0.029
At least my R1 makes about a pound more energy in 22 than 20 with the JSBs with a better BC. The R1 makes a half pound more energy with 22 FTTs than the 20 cal FTTs but has a better BC.
Honestly the difference between 20 and 22 is splitting hairs. At least with springers where 22 is typically more efficient than 20 cal.
Purple 20 caliber 11.42 FTTs
Red 20 caliber 13.73 JSB Exacts
Blue 22 caliber 14.66 FTTs
The better BC of the JSB comes back at longer ranges. It retains more energy and has less wind drift.
This is a complicated subject
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This is the kinda subjects I like. I have been a reloader for close to 18yrs. So this is the kinda stuff I like to geek out on.
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Ok thanks. Fix it for me!
That BC is for my 44.75, .30 cal JSB's
I apparently incorrectly thought it could be a decent generic number for comparison.
So, help me if you can keep it somewhat simple.
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Ditto, Hawke Airmax 3-9 x 40 mm AO with Sportsmatch T04C medium rings.
Hawke Airmax 4-16 x 44 mm SF, IR compact with Hawke Tactical 2 piece medium rings on my HW95L.
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I wish I could. There's really no way to keep it simple. Until you do actual tests with two synced chronographs through your gun over a known distance you'll never know what an accurate BC is. I've done that. Turns out BC changes with velocity and each barrel. My results will vary from yours. My gun will have different muzzle velocities and deform the pellet differently than yours. Until you test a projectile properly, other adopted numbers are near pointless. It's why I disclaimed responsibility for the 22 cal FTTs. Advertised BCs are notoriously wrong, the last I saw the 20 caliber 11.42 FTTs are listed by H&N as 0.016. That's dismal. About the same as 7 grain 177 dome. My testing showed them to be 0.0274. Light years better.Ok thanks. Fix it for me!
That BC is for my 44.75, .30 cal JSB's
I apparently incorrectly thought it could be a decent generic number for comparison.
So, help me if you can keep it somewhat simple.
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Your asking a lot from one gun...target shooter, hunter, etc. Most rufles are real good at one thing but not so great at other things. How a rifle is tuned will make all the difference or are you going to shoot it right out of the box ?? You mentioned .22 cal, so I will throw this out there. If I was to own just one rifle for fun shooting and hunting, it would be the R1 in .22 cal. Reason is I custom tuned a few of them to be superior shooters. Heavy...yes, if weight is a big issue then pass. I am 73 and have no problem carrying one for hours in the woods but some do. My rifles avg over 825 fps with 14.3 gn pellets and their accuracy is sub one inch at 50 yds. Fast lock time and easy to shoot according to those that have used them. I guess my point here is to buy what you are confortable with, but keep in mind that any good springer can be improved. Buy what you like but remember that one gun will not do everything well, some tradeoffs will be needed, so think carefully before you spend your hard earned money !!
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Was able to pick up a Hw50s in 177 locally today. Was in good shape from a fell member here and on a local forum. Amazed at the trigger on it. Got to order a scope for it next.
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What torque setting did you use for the rings?Ditto, Hawke Airmax 3-9 x 40 mm AO with Sportsmatch T04C medium rings.
Hawke Airmax 4-16 x 44 mm SF, IR compact with Hawke Tactical 2 piece medium rings on my HW95L.
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