I have an intense dislike for fiber optic sights. I've looked all over the internet trying to find match grade target sights for the HW45 but have come up with nothing. Anybody have a clue? Thanks.
Better Sights for HW45
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they make a non FOS for the rear and T.W. Chambers list them but they are out of stock
but you are stick with the fiber optic front, I guess the front rod could be replaced with something in black or painted
I'm with you, I dislike fiber optic sight, i find them very imprecise
https://www.gunspares.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?page=2&id=24564&Search=
so with the pound to dollar conversion and shipping that sight at TW Chambers is over 50.00 bucks if they had one
another source should be out there but where I'm not sure
Waffencenter Gotha could get them but shipping would take the fun out of that
about all I have
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5afd89upoyc3gz/Wihrauch_HW45.pdf
take care
mike
but you are stick with the fiber optic front, I guess the front rod could be replaced with something in black or painted
I'm with you, I dislike fiber optic sight, i find them very imprecise
https://www.gunspares.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?page=2&id=24564&Search=
so with the pound to dollar conversion and shipping that sight at TW Chambers is over 50.00 bucks if they had one
another source should be out there but where I'm not sure
Waffencenter Gotha could get them but shipping would take the fun out of that
about all I have
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5afd89upoyc3gz/Wihrauch_HW45.pdf
take care
mike
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The first link is broken somehow but I'm familiar with the company. Anyway I believe they have the old sight without fiber optics which is better, but I would really like to get my hands on Olympic level match sights. Much wider blades. Aids paper punching enormously. Just another wish for something that doesn't exist I suppose. I may end up using a scope which I don't particularly like but it's better than what's on it. Thanks for the effort.
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I see that it didn't keep the parts breakdown page
I grabbed my HW 75 which has the same sights as the 45 and that will be a dream not a reality to have match grade sights
for one thing is they have to set very low to work with the front sight and target sight set up high and proud
so the question is could it be done and the answer is yes but at what cost you need and a new top a rear sight, some one that can mill the top to mount the sight and then you would have to look into making a new front sight or finding by luck, something that would work with the rear
the parts and pieces
cocking arm 70 bucks +or-, rear sight, what would you use, maybe a IZH 46m rear sight, I would have to pull mine out and look, 65-80-90 sights won't work, Diana 6 and 10 sights won't either, the sights on the Czech pistol could work but they might be hard to find and they set high on the pistols , so let say another 70 bucks for a rear sight from somewhere , milling work unknown cost, front sight unknown cost
so where does that leave you beside an expensive project with an unknown amount of R&D work
oh don't get me wrong it is a very interesting idea and I understand the why but the how to part has me scratching my head
so just my opinion, if I had a mill and the money and wasn't almost 70 I might try it myself
but in any case take care
mike
I grabbed my HW 75 which has the same sights as the 45 and that will be a dream not a reality to have match grade sights
for one thing is they have to set very low to work with the front sight and target sight set up high and proud
so the question is could it be done and the answer is yes but at what cost you need and a new top a rear sight, some one that can mill the top to mount the sight and then you would have to look into making a new front sight or finding by luck, something that would work with the rear
the parts and pieces
cocking arm 70 bucks +or-, rear sight, what would you use, maybe a IZH 46m rear sight, I would have to pull mine out and look, 65-80-90 sights won't work, Diana 6 and 10 sights won't either, the sights on the Czech pistol could work but they might be hard to find and they set high on the pistols , so let say another 70 bucks for a rear sight from somewhere , milling work unknown cost, front sight unknown cost
so where does that leave you beside an expensive project with an unknown amount of R&D work
oh don't get me wrong it is a very interesting idea and I understand the why but the how to part has me scratching my head
so just my opinion, if I had a mill and the money and wasn't almost 70 I might try it myself
but in any case take care
mike
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I have to conclude that your comments Mike put a swift end to that idea. Just put it on the list of interesting ideas. Pretty long list I imagine.
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something like a BoMar rear sight with the dovetail milled off and cut as low in the upper frame would be a nice change but the front sight would still need dealing with
a front sight off a Ruger 2245 might be a starting point
the thing with odd projects that have not been done or publisted is a good imagination and because sometimes we don't have the money to have someone do the work and we need to reuse off the shelf items, it is my MO because I have good ideas but lack a mill and lathe to make the project simple
an idea that is had and tested was using billow blocks as a lathe and or cut off system, powered with a cordless drill but then again you have to make up a tool without the right tool
we can only try and do our best
mike
I have some of these base, I bought them for no real reason, I thought they could be used down the road
so the HW45 rear sight slot is 9mm + or - and these bases are 12.76mm and 7.07mm in thickness and designed for a 1 inch tube or there about
but the base could be made to be 9mm to fit in the empty rear sight area and cut as needed for a Williams sight and that would be target enough
you can cut these down on router table use a 1/8 mill bit or a table saw because they are aluminum
so with that done you are down to the front sight
these bases are cheap and on sale
https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/rings-mounts-amp-bases/rifle-bases/no-100-4-dovetail-base-sku080030104-385-1746.aspx?sku=080-030-104
it's a good starting point, without any mods to the factory pistol just to the base it just needs some more R&D
what if the front sight was extended out over the front of the pistol to lengthen the sight radius and to leave the factory front sight in place, still work on the details
again just ideas but I'm a dog with a bone sometimes
a front sight off a Ruger 2245 might be a starting point
the thing with odd projects that have not been done or publisted is a good imagination and because sometimes we don't have the money to have someone do the work and we need to reuse off the shelf items, it is my MO because I have good ideas but lack a mill and lathe to make the project simple
an idea that is had and tested was using billow blocks as a lathe and or cut off system, powered with a cordless drill but then again you have to make up a tool without the right tool
we can only try and do our best
mike
I have some of these base, I bought them for no real reason, I thought they could be used down the road
so the HW45 rear sight slot is 9mm + or - and these bases are 12.76mm and 7.07mm in thickness and designed for a 1 inch tube or there about
but the base could be made to be 9mm to fit in the empty rear sight area and cut as needed for a Williams sight and that would be target enough
you can cut these down on router table use a 1/8 mill bit or a table saw because they are aluminum
so with that done you are down to the front sight
these bases are cheap and on sale
https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/rings-mounts-amp-bases/rifle-bases/no-100-4-dovetail-base-sku080030104-385-1746.aspx?sku=080-030-104
it's a good starting point, without any mods to the factory pistol just to the base it just needs some more R&D
what if the front sight was extended out over the front of the pistol to lengthen the sight radius and to leave the factory front sight in place, still work on the details
again just ideas but I'm a dog with a bone sometimes
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You have a heck of lot more patience and talent than I have Mike. I wouldn't dream of attempting such a thing. Probably I'll either find something else or just scope it. After getting used to 10 meter match sights I find it hard to tolerate anything less. I've been trying to find a CO2 Tau 7 or Alpha Proj with no luck so far. Since the pistol would only be used indoors CO2 should work fine. Thanks for taking the time to help. I'm not a tinkerer though. I've learned the hard way that I'd best leave well enough alone and let those with the requisite skills attempt mods like you've described. I'd mess it up sure as sunrise.
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well they sell the Alpha Proj made in China model in Canada and it's called the Victor on sale right now in black and blue but those grips are not wood but plastic
http://www.canadashootingsupply.ca/catalogsearch/result/?q=victor
I know what you mean about good sights, it is the down fall of many good guns and I have many that became projects with no outcome but I tried
by the way that Canadian company has first class service
take care and with your idea I have another project, maybe, just to think about
mike
http://www.canadashootingsupply.ca/catalogsearch/result/?q=victor
I know what you mean about good sights, it is the down fall of many good guns and I have many that became projects with no outcome but I tried
by the way that Canadian company has first class service
take care and with your idea I have another project, maybe, just to think about
mike
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