Big game with limited power, .177 or .22?
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I've been attacked here for simply disagreeing with others, this forum seems to be a place where unless you parrot the thoughts of others you're subject to snide remarks. I've added plenty to this thread and I can tell the real hunters by those who also responded similar to me in regards to the use of archery as an alternative to the low power weapons suggested here. If disagreeing with somebody makes me a "rabble rouser" I'll gladly take that title.
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What I typed was a small portion of what Sam Fadala said in one of his books describing people who share a similar view as you in regards to adequate power for use on large game animals and I trust his information orders of magnitude more than I do yours. My quote was meant to add a little humor, a quality you apparently lack unless it's trying to degrade others.I actually like when people do disagree with me as long as they have a valid argument, that you don't obviously have.
Bringing in throwing roundballs ? when we are talking of small projectiles traveling at 900-1000 fps, you see how your argument is deeply flawed ?
Also you very quick responding with nonsense on selected post and just as quick avoiding responding posts that you absolutely cannot argue with since,...yes you don't have a valid oneso try deflect.
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I see that you mostly subscribe to the PB side of things. One thing I learned with AG's is to forget most of that stuff!
They are 2 different animals!
And seeing as how at least five Confederate soldiers claimed that they had fired the fatal shot with the Whitworth .451?
How can one even claim it was all that accurate?
And trust me. You never hear how many Sniper Shots were misses!
The Barrett .50? That's throwing concrete blocks to make up for Pin Point accuracy.
They are 2 different animals!
And seeing as how at least five Confederate soldiers claimed that they had fired the fatal shot with the Whitworth .451?
How can one even claim it was all that accurate?
And trust me. You never hear how many Sniper Shots were misses!
The Barrett .50? That's throwing concrete blocks to make up for Pin Point accuracy.
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You're right, I was a gunsmith for 7 years and a clerk at the same gunshop for 5 years. My mentor growing up was a "sniper" during WWII Sergeant Fredrick J. Lander 76 Infantry, he told me stories of his hits on the Germans. You made a good point which I eluded to " You never hear about the failures" In regards to my thread on using Mobil 1 Alphabet org my fluid power instructor in college, who is a retired Master Chief of the United States Navy recommended it, I suppose I should have mentioned that, but sometimes it's fun to sandbag people LOL I think you're cool I can tell you aren't an antagonist like many are here. I hope our banter can remain the way it is now
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Holy crap... my other post also ended up like this.
Well... I think the question as been answered and proved on the first page by our fellow Nomadic Pirate. An airgun on that range can penetrate a wild hog skull = hog death, but the hunter must be skilled and precise to perform the shot. I was worry about the pellet on those power ranges would just bounce without damage, but I see that either .177 or .22 are pretty much sufficient at 20 fpe, or even at 17 fpe on .177 wich is my country legal limit, but better a to use a little more.
Also I understand, the smaller the caliber, the less power it will require to penetrate things. You can put it like... taking a broom stick and poking someone with it, or doing the same with a knife attached on the end, less surface = less force to actually be dangeous.
My background with airguns is just fun plinking and modifier enthusiast, I accompany my grandpa in hunting when I was a kid, I'm not totally newbye to it, also know how to skin rabbits. Could I hunt right now with my skills? I don't think so, not because of aim, but to be capable to aim calmly and steady to a big living thing, plus tracking it, make baits and get into safe spots and a long etc... that make the propper hunting skills in a whole that I don't have and don't need to at the moment. IF, I, for some good reason ever need those, I now know that at least, I have a capable weapon to do it, the rest depends on me.
As for responsability, ethics and all that, as I stated on a previuos response, I think its far better to have irresponsable people with small caliber airguns than to have them with big firearm calibers, and undless you are shooting anti-tank BMG's, a misplaced shoot with regular firearm calibers is either agonizing for the animal, while missing the spot with a small pellet, may actually give a chance to the animal to survive and heal.
Well... I think the question as been answered and proved on the first page by our fellow Nomadic Pirate. An airgun on that range can penetrate a wild hog skull = hog death, but the hunter must be skilled and precise to perform the shot. I was worry about the pellet on those power ranges would just bounce without damage, but I see that either .177 or .22 are pretty much sufficient at 20 fpe, or even at 17 fpe on .177 wich is my country legal limit, but better a to use a little more.
Also I understand, the smaller the caliber, the less power it will require to penetrate things. You can put it like... taking a broom stick and poking someone with it, or doing the same with a knife attached on the end, less surface = less force to actually be dangeous.
My background with airguns is just fun plinking and modifier enthusiast, I accompany my grandpa in hunting when I was a kid, I'm not totally newbye to it, also know how to skin rabbits. Could I hunt right now with my skills? I don't think so, not because of aim, but to be capable to aim calmly and steady to a big living thing, plus tracking it, make baits and get into safe spots and a long etc... that make the propper hunting skills in a whole that I don't have and don't need to at the moment. IF, I, for some good reason ever need those, I now know that at least, I have a capable weapon to do it, the rest depends on me.
As for responsability, ethics and all that, as I stated on a previuos response, I think its far better to have irresponsable people with small caliber airguns than to have them with big firearm calibers, and undless you are shooting anti-tank BMG's, a misplaced shoot with regular firearm calibers is either agonizing for the animal, while missing the spot with a small pellet, may actually give a chance to the animal to survive and heal.
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Well. I was Sniper trained by the US Army. So I can see both sides.
To be honest? Comparing PB to AG is worthless in SO many respects.
To be honest? Comparing PB to AG is worthless in SO many respects.
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In regards to your original post in this thread?
I'd say there would be no one to question your decisions as to what nor how you took Game.
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None of my AG's go twang. Well, maybe the Springers I don't shoot anymore.
And just for memories sakes? I have a .50 cal Sniper AG.
I pull the silencer off that? It may as well be a full blown PB sound wise.
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You're right, I was a gunsmith for 7 years and a clerk at the same gunshop for 5 years. My mentor growing up was a "sniper" during WWII Sergeant Fredrick J. Lander 76 Infantry, he told me stories of his hits on the Germans. You made a good point which I eluded to " You never hear about the failures" In regards to my thread on using Mobil 1 Alphabet org my fluid power instructor in college, who is a retired Master Chief of the United States Navy recommended it, I suppose I should have mentioned that, but sometimes it's fun to sandbag people LOL I think you're cool I can tell you aren't an antagonist like many are here. I hope our banter can remain the way it is now
Good for you, I am aprofesional bodyguard and also have military backgorund, been on Irak and Siria and took many operations to evacuate families trough hot zones, also I was part of a ultra-secret intelligence program to send super-soldiers back in time and kill Hitler, wich I do... sadly due to the way multiverse work, it ended with no effect in our timeline, well... that last part may not be true, my point is... WTF.... what relation have any of those things with airguns and why should them mater?
I never shoot any game small or big with an airgun, so I have no idea about how power figures will translate. Firearms sure have much more power, but.. do you know that a punch form a trained boxer can hit 2 times harder than a regular 9mm? or the really low fpe archery has, yet an arrow can penetrate much deeper in some medium and materials than a bullet (in sandbags for example). I think taking fpe as an absolute rule is an error, ballistics aren't that simple, airgun pellets are much lighter projectiles, but they move near sonic speeds (or supersonic speeds in some cases), they sure don't have the same stoping power and probably can't cause the same hydrostatic shock damage, but they surely can penetrate as deep as some firearm rounds.
I just like to shoot with something legal and relativelly safer to tincans and junk, my job or background gives little to none expertise on the matter and yours (asuming its true, wich I doubt) don't either, only an actual airgun hunter with real experience can respond what can be done and how.
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As I said, and was sure of it immediately,
You speak of things that you have no personal experience, but only use others writings, hearsay and propaganda.
Usually if you want to matter on a subject you also need to have personal experience on that subject.
You clearly are one of those people that go around telling other people what to do using things you have read rather then having hands down knowledge,....yeah that only flies for a short while and the cover gets found pretty easily and exposure is immediate.
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