Well be thankful you can legally do it where you live because you'd be getting a ticket or worse here.
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Big game with limited power, .177 or .22?
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Nobody ever did bring up the legal part, ........that as got nothing to do with the discussion so don't try deflect.
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I'm not trying to deflect anything, what you're doing is irresponsible. If you want to carry on and brag about it go ahead.
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Irresponsible ?I'm not trying to deflect anything, what you're doing is irresponsible. If you want to carry on and brag about it go ahead.
.....Fascinating, so you have no actual experience on the matter nor you have been with someone making it happen yet you want to make definite statements on the matter.
Incredible the armchair experts coming out so easily with blanket statement on matters where they really know nothing about,....Ahhh the beauty of the internet
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Buddy2023
I will not type alot lol but if you wish to get a little better understanding of of Manny = (Nomadic Pirate 66) and Michael = (who has hunted with Manny) = (the gentleman who owns AGN the forums you have joined )) just go up to the search bar and type in hogzilla HaHa it is massive. They were hunting in Hawaii . In certain places it is legal with dogs and knives lol . I am sure you are aware of this so I will just leave it alone haha. If you do not care to research it any further then you have a wonderful afternoon Sir. no worries .
They ( Manny and Michael ) may be just some random fellows on the internet to you true lol . To the majority of us hear they are very skilled and much appreciated for there knowledge and experience . They in no way encourage anything illegal or unethical ever that I am aware of . They are well known and respected bye most .
We should be able to disagree and still co-exist and enjoy the awesome fun of airguns as a whole.
It is corny for me ( I know ) to even chime in and think I could help haha! Just call me silly I guess . All you fellows have a wonderful and peaceful evening
I will not type alot lol but if you wish to get a little better understanding of of Manny = (Nomadic Pirate 66) and Michael = (who has hunted with Manny) = (the gentleman who owns AGN the forums you have joined )) just go up to the search bar and type in hogzilla HaHa it is massive. They were hunting in Hawaii . In certain places it is legal with dogs and knives lol . I am sure you are aware of this so I will just leave it alone haha. If you do not care to research it any further then you have a wonderful afternoon Sir. no worries .
They ( Manny and Michael ) may be just some random fellows on the internet to you true lol . To the majority of us hear they are very skilled and much appreciated for there knowledge and experience . They in no way encourage anything illegal or unethical ever that I am aware of . They are well known and respected bye most .
We should be able to disagree and still co-exist and enjoy the awesome fun of airguns as a whole.
It is corny for me ( I know ) to even chime in and think I could help haha! Just call me silly I guess . All you fellows have a wonderful and peaceful evening
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I just read through this thread and what follows is my opinion (for what it’s worth). What Manny does, I wouldn’t try it unless I had to. BUT I’ve read similar comments directed at me that some of y’all have also levied against Manny and I can relate to being in his position. In fact, when I did something (legal and within reason) that another member told I couldn’t do as if it were unethical (maybe because he wasn’t comfortable with it) I shared it with those that could appreciate what I’d accomplished. The messed up part is I reached out to the individual in attempt to a have a one-on-one conversation about whatever his issue was and I got crickets. If you have not done a thing because you don’t have the ability or confidence to, why discourage others who have the ability to and who have put the time and effort to learn?
I’ve been one who was told “but you won’t share your failures…” bull
. That’s an ignorant assumption when you don’t know your subject or haven’t been around airgun forums long enough to know much of anything about the person you’re talking to or about.
However, I am in agreement that it is a bad idea to encourage others to attempt to do things that you may have worked long and/or hard to do or master. I believe that @Nomadic Pirate 66 can take larger animals with confidence using smaller calibers. I doubt that I would try it if I did not have to. If he does that and posts about it, I think it’s interesting, but I’m not showing my friends and suggesting that they try it. Nor do I desire to.
I’ve been one who was told “but you won’t share your failures…” bull
. That’s an ignorant assumption when you don’t know your subject or haven’t been around airgun forums long enough to know much of anything about the person you’re talking to or about. However, I am in agreement that it is a bad idea to encourage others to attempt to do things that you may have worked long and/or hard to do or master. I believe that @Nomadic Pirate 66 can take larger animals with confidence using smaller calibers. I doubt that I would try it if I did not have to. If he does that and posts about it, I think it’s interesting, but I’m not showing my friends and suggesting that they try it. Nor do I desire to.
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I agree with the spirit and intent of your post, but I disagree with the last paragraph. Encouraging people to be more precise in their shots and knowing the anatomy of their target is a fine goal. I do it every day... at least when I have a shot. (grin)I just read through this thread and what follows is my opinion (for what it’s worth). What Manny does, I wouldn’t try it unless I had to. BUT I’ve read similar comments directed at me that some of y’all have also levied against Manny and I can relate to being in his position. In fact, when I did something (legal and within reason) that another member told I couldn’t do as if it were unethical (maybe because he wasn’t comfortable with it) I shared it with those that could appreciate what I’d accomplished. The messed up part is I reached out to the individual in attempt to a have a one-on-one conversation about whatever his issue was and I got crickets. If you have not done a thing because you don’t have the ability or confidence to, why discourage others who have the ability to and who have put the time and effort to learn?
I’ve been one who was told “but you won’t share your failures…” bull
However, I am in agreement that it is a bad idea to encourage others to attempt to do things that you may have worked long and/or hard to do or master. I believe that @Airarcher66 can take larger animals with confidence using smaller calibers. I doubt that I would try it if I did not have to. If he does that and posts about it, I think it’s interesting, but I’m not showing my friends and suggesting that they try it. Nor do I desire to.
My point is, encouraging accuracy/precision and definitive knowledge of your target is a noble goal. Yes, there are many who will never get it, but you can't change that. However, you can encourage those others to be precise and have knowledge of how to kill their quarry efficiently and ethically.
There was a guy who made a study of how to kill an elephant at ANY angle... I forget his name and I don't desire to kill an elephant, but what he did was study how to do it from ANY angle. That's what I do with tree rats and chippers. (smile)
All my best!
Kerry
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Please excuse any typos... I am not at my best...
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I would never try it either lol . I lack the skills haha
This was explained to me when I was stationed in Hawaii . I was attempting to take out big game on the North shore ( Two Samoans on the beach who were masters at re-education lol ! ) I was the smaller caliber lets say .22 cal haha No Need to go into detail but I did not have the skills I thought I possessed and they very quickly re-educated me in the matter to say the least . I have never forgotten that class from my youth but did take may more classes before withering away in my old age haha.
Just thought you all might get a giggle outta my lack of skills example from my youth . Later All .
This was explained to me when I was stationed in Hawaii . I was attempting to take out big game on the North shore ( Two Samoans on the beach who were masters at re-education lol ! ) I was the smaller caliber lets say .22 cal haha No Need to go into detail but I did not have the skills I thought I possessed and they very quickly re-educated me in the matter to say the least .
I have never forgotten that class from my youth but did take may more classes before withering away in my old age haha. Just thought you all might get a giggle outta my lack of skills example from my youth . Later All .
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@BackStop I’ve read about the European big-game hunter who hunted elephants with a small caliber rifle. He too was an interesting hunter to read about. I’m not trying to encourage that sort of thing. I think that we can agree to disagree on that front. I have no qualms with that. I stand by my previous statement.
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I am not certain that he advocated smaller calibers or lower powered guns. I just know what he studied how to make a clean kill shot from nearly any angle by studying the anatomy of elephants.
If you find his name, please post it because I will never remember it.
All my best!
Kerry
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Walter “Karamojo” Bell
Who Hunted The Most Elephants - Matlabas Game Hunters South Africa
Matlabas Game Hunters in South Africa. Award winning outfitter for international hunters. Bow Hunting. Rifle Huntings and Photographic Safaris.
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Thanks! So you are capable of a positive post... (smile)
Nice move in a positive direction!
All my best!
Kerry
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First of all why are we only focussing on wild pigs, my buddy went to Texas wild pig hunting last August and he gave me some and I thought it tasted horrible.
Michigan didn't even have feral hogs until recently, regardless If I was starving I'd be hunting the many alternatives to those nasty things
Michigan didn't even have feral hogs until recently, regardless If I was starving I'd be hunting the many alternatives to those nasty things
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First of all why are we only focussing on wild pigs, my buddy went to Texas wild pig hunting last August and he gave me some and I thought it tasted horrible.
Michigan didn't even have feral hogs until recently, regardless If I was starving I'd be hunting the many alternatives to those nasty things
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One thing interesting I just found out is, you can only use airguns on private land in Hawaii?
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Correct,
Air rifles only on private land,......regulations are as follow, for big game on private land you can use whatever means/weapons you want,
However for birds on private land you need to follow hunting regulations regarding weapons used so cannot use air rifles.
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I was just wondering what their reasoning was for the restriction, it's not like air rifles pose any sort of unusual danger by using them on public land? Safety reasons are the only thing I can think of why they would do this?
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Do you have a reference for your statement?
I hunt Africa once and sometimes twice a year, including elephants, and I have never heard this before. The most common weapon for poachers is the AK-47 and snares. We found one unfortunate elephant that was shot ~ 20 times with an AK and suffering, so we dispatched him.
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