Daystate Blackwolf Pricing. Help me with the math.

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jps2486 said:
We need a Boston airgun party.
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No need. Free market forces will correct or reinforce the pricing.
If the gun is priced higher than the consumer perceived value it won’t sell. Period. Nobody is being forced to buy the gun at that price. The consumer always has the advantage of refusal.
If the gun doesn’t sell then DS will be forced to either adjust pricing, drop the design as not marketable, or redesign and find a more cost efficient way to bring the gun to market.
if you are in need of some feeling of retribution to be bestowed on the callous profiteers, sleep well knowing they have a ton of money invested in bringing the product to market. If the endeavor fails they will lose not only what they have invested but will be sitting on a ton of capital that is now a liability And not an asset.
Just an historical note. The Boston Tea Party was over taxes not retail prices and there is a vast difference between the two. Taxes are mandatory and retail purchases are voluntary.
Also, the tax is being levied by a party who shares no risk or effort in the production or purchase of any product.
 
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Well, I got a response from Rob at AOA over on HAM that might explain some things. See Post #5.

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I'm a little confused with the pricing for the different barrel lengths and configurations. Can someone check my math because the math ain't mathing. For the walnut tube version, the prices off AOA's website are the following: - 17 inch version is $2,899.99 - 23 inch version is $2,999.99 - 28...
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Really beautiful rifles to my eyes.. but after 10 years there is very little that might get me interested in buying a new rifle . At $2800+ this is simply way to much for a toy unless you make money 💰 competing with it .. I hardly have the time to use what I have to justify such a expense, just because I could .. but for those who are getting one I'm very happy for them ...🙂
 
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Chukar60 said:
No need. Free market forces will correct or reinforce the pricing.
If the gun is priced higher than the consumer perceived value it won’t sell. Period. Nobody is being forced to buy the gun at that price. The consumer always has the advantage of refusal.
If the gun doesn’t sell then DS will be forced to either adjust pricing, drop the design as not marketable, or redesign and find a more cost efficient way to bring the gun to market.
if you are in need of some feeling of retribution to be bestowed on the callous profiteers, sleep well knowing they have a ton of money invested in bringing the product to market. If the endeavor fails they will lose not only what they have invested but will be sitting on a ton of capital that is now a liability And not an asset.
Just an historical note. The Boston Tea Party was over taxes not retail prices and there is a vast difference between the two. Taxes are mandatory and retail purchases are voluntary.
Also, the tax is being levied by a party who shares no risk or effort in the production or purchase of any product.
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Don’t get your undies wadded up about my satirical joke. You are correct.
 
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Peskådot671 said:
Well, I got a response from Rob at AOA over on HAM that might explain some things. See Post #5.

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Blackwolf - Blackwolf Pricing. Help me with the math.

I'm a little confused with the pricing for the different barrel lengths and configurations. Can someone check my math because the math ain't mathing. For the walnut tube version, the prices off AOA's website are the following: - 17 inch version is $2,899.99 - 23 inch version is $2,999.99 - 28...
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Rob’s response does explain why each stock costs different from the others, and what are the factors affecting the final cost of a certain configuration. He is also right about “non linearity” of the stock length increases.

With all due respect, he, unfortunately, forgot to answer the OP’s underlying question; why are the cost increases for barrel length changes different for walnut stock and laminate stock. If the high-power and valve changes (and any other hardware changes) are not specific to each stock type (they are not), going from carbon gray 17” to 28” ($420) should have been the same for walnut ($300), and for the laminate ($265).

Actually the real reason is the volume sales. All consumer businesses must make a certain mount of money to stay afloat. That can only be achieved based on the the number of items they sell. In most cases, the most expensive items cannot have the same % margin as the low cost items (you will not be able to sell as many expensive items as low cost ones). So, you increase the % profit on the low cost items to subsidize the sale of the expensive items. There are obviously exceptions to this but Daystate is not one of those. I don’t think they should be either. With a price range for the same HW going from $2600 to $3700 (for 28” barrels), they have something for a wide range of target customers.

After the initial release, they will adjust these costs based on what people are buying. Simple…
 
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Demphna2 said:
How much do ya'll think the blackwolf is worth paying for? I mean, it's a nice airgun with a lot of cool features, but what's a more reasonable asking price if we were to speculate?
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Sorry for stating the obvious but “they are worth as much as you are willing to pay for them” 🙂

However, looking at those prices, Alpha Wolf Performance seems a real bargain to me 🤷
 
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