Break Barrels are NOT accurate!

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Until such time as you shoot an ELECTRIC firing system Daystate of ANY vintage ... you will remain clueless as to a true MOUSE CLICK firing of an air gun that simply has no equal IMO within the air gun world too a recoiless as well near mindless attention required to shoot very very well.

Again piston air guns can shoot well, just NOT consistently over weather shift, unskilled shooters and differing shooting environments or conditions.



This really is not an arguable accepted fact.



Nice shooting & now go compete in some field target for a season or so at the local club and see how you fair against the PCP shooters.



Honestly go get em !!!
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Yeah, but find me a $300 PCP that shoots as well as a $300 break-barrel. Sure, if you're going to spend $1000+ for an airgun, I'd hope it's laser-precise.

The shooter really makes the difference of course. An expensive gun doesn't make up for that. I'd imagine you'd do well with anything.

Not all guns work best for all conditions. Obviously. :) I'll rarely go out in "the field" to shoot. But for sub-50 yards, target-shooting, any position, just about any gun is perfect for that distance/conditions. So, me, I figure, why bother with all the extra work of PCP when I can just grab a gun and go.



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1978 to 2000 Nothing more accurate than the FWB 124 , Blasting sparrows all day long at 25 to 35 yards, 2001 I leaped into the PCP world with a Marauder , I really wanted a 177, EVERBODY talked me into a 25 Caliber , Hook line and sinker, Cricket 22, Cricket 25, Mutant22 , Veteran 22 , Veteran 25 , Vulcan 177,,,, All my break barrels sitting in the gun cabinet, I feel the 177 Vulcan #2 up and sit down and shoot about 100 shots before I need to refill, And after 45 years at the bird feeders the sparrows are a little jumpy , But there is still a bunch of them.

Mike
 
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And Gamo's ain't accurate either

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Yeah, but find me a $300 PCP that shoots as well as a $300 break-barrel.
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Shhhhh, don't tell the $300 DAR that it needs to cost more to shoot well.



Quite a few owners of an Avenger or Gauntlet or Fortitude or Chief or Urban or Stormrider or Sentry might say something similar.

Whatever was true of inexpensive PCPs 5+ years ago is, well, history.

 
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Beeman R7 .20, no artillery hold, rifle sitting on that front rest every shot without my hand under it, shooting lefty. I'm normally a right hand shooter but had pretty major shoulder surgery last Feb, tore a bunch of stuff. I shot the targets in June with that rifle, first time in 4 months I'd been able to even touch one and most I could do even after 4 months was load pellets with the right, so shooting completely off arm and one armed to boot...lol.

20 yards, top 2 targets were H&N FTT's, bottom 2 were with the JSB 13.73's. Scope is a Hawke Airmax 3-9x40.

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No, I don't buy into the artillery hold. I have guns that flat shoot better being held normal than they do using it. 
 
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After reading this thread I humbly offer my two cents. I have 1 PCP, a Stormrider. I have found it very accurate at 25 to 30 yards. That is all the range I have.

I have a 109.00 Dollar Gamo Whisper that shoots very small groups using 1 pellet. I have a used Ruger Blackhawk That will shoot less than an inch all day but shoots the same with a range of pellets. I have a Hatsan 95 that shoots two brand of pellets in to small holes. I has a awful heavy trigger but it breaks like glass



I have a Benjamen Rushmore that I would love to see anybody shoot accuratley. It is the rifle that started me down this road. I have tried every thing I can think of to get it to shoot. I just don't think it will shoot. I hold on to it cause it is such a pretty gun. So far it has been the most expensive 80.00 dollars I ever spent. Scope,mounts.rings.pellets ,all kinds of pellets.

I am glad some folks have good luck with there guns and share there secrets with us.

God Bless

Bobby
 
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The whole artillery hold is so overblown and over talked about and not universally the best way. At least once a month of not once a week it is mentioned as the absolute go to or even must be used method. I own dozens upon dozens of piston guns and use it on exactly zero of them. Even the nonsense about bipods don't work on springers, well unless every springer/ram has been tested with every bipod at every power level on every mounting position it too is over blown and incorrect. Not to say that bipods work 100% or artillery hold does not work either but full blanket statements are bordering on ignorant if not at least uneducated and is perpetuated by what I call the "parrot syndrome" (hear and repeat) without testing. I have a fair number of rifles that do absolutely fine on bipods.
 
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Until such time as you shoot an ELECTRIC firing system Daystate of ANY vintage ... you will remain clueless as to a true MOUSE CLICK firing of an air gun that simply has no equal IMO within the air gun world too a recoiless as well near mindless attention required to shoot very very well.

Again piston air guns can shoot well, just NOT consistently over weather shift, unskilled shooters and differing shooting environments or conditions.



This really is not an arguable accepted fact.



Nice shooting & now go compete in some field target for a season or so at the local club and see how you fair against the PCP shooters.



Honestly go get em !!!
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Yeah, but find me a $300 PCP that shoots as well as a $300 break-barrel. Sure, if you're going to spend $1000+ for an airgun, I'd hope it's laser-precise.

The shooter really makes the difference of course. An expensive gun doesn't make up for that. I'd imagine you'd do well with anything.

Not all guns work best for all conditions. Obviously. :) I'll rarely go out in "the field" to shoot. But for sub-50 yards, target-shooting, any position, just about any gun is perfect for that distance/conditions. So, me, I figure, why bother with all the extra work of PCP when I can just grab a gun and go.



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Gamo Urban, Alpha Nova Liberty, Avenger to name a few $300 PCP 's
 
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and still going after I asked this not to be about PCP's, WOW! Well that's at least 5 members hidden in the past week from future interactions.
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Just because you started the conversation doesn't mean you own it. Other folks might have things to say amongst themselves too.

If you're going to block everyone who doesn't fit your needs, you'll find it a lonely forum. Good luck.






 
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