Broken stocks , poor designs

Many broken stocks , poor designs, is the material the issue ? Or just bad judgement on the manufacturer part
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Either way no worries it's fixable, would be nice if such failures where prevented or at least limited by the manufacturer
All the best nath
 
WOW!

I've seen broken stocks before but that thick a section on a laminated stock should be able to handle a huge amount of force without breaking.

I just repaired/refinished a 30-30 stock for a young lad and you can see the two brass pins reinforcing the break.

The joint on your stock looks good and tight but I recommend adding a couple of pins to your repair as well.

Cheers
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You did a fabulous job of restoring the break, that's just incredible!

I've had stock beaks on two airguns and one blackpowder rifle. The BP was a UPS handling problem. One of the airguns, an AA MPR was broken by USPS and the other airgun, my neighbor dropped my Anschutz 2002 while admiring it. The Annie was blue laminate, and it shattered like glass. I couldn't believe my eyes when it happened. He was sitting in a chair and it dropped, maybe 18-24" and it almost hit flat on concrete. I think a drinking glass would have survived better! Of the three stocks that broke, I was able to fix two so that they were totally unnoticeable, but the Annie broke with a lot of shards and hairs, it was a mess and more than two pieces. I was able to put steel rods in all three grips to strengthen them and epoxy them. I put the Annie back together and you couldn't readily see the fix, but once you got close and looked, you could see it. I had to use epoxy to fill the damaged crevices, where there was no wood to replace and color it with RIT dye. It was a good job as far as it goes, but if you looked at it, you could see the swirl of the laminate didn't match up. One good thing was you could not feel it at all.
I've always thought that laminate was far stronger than, say, walnut, but I'm here to tell you that one was not, and I've been a bit leary of them ever since. In airguns, the weight gain of laminate is not worth it to me, when other wood seems to hold up better and is lighter. In powder burners, stability would rule over strength, which is where the laminate is superior. But a properly sealed walnut stock is hard to beat. I love the look of laminate, but wow! how they will break. I've seen pics like this several times.

As to design, the AA MPR had a pretty easy to break design. The one that broke had no physical damage to the box at all. Also, AA started putting a large screw from the inlet down through the grip to strengthen the later models.
 
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so, for you that don't know Nath92 is the UK stock repair WIZARD and if you do not belong to the forum he posts at do yourself a favor and join
https://airgunforums.co.uk/
the only thing i wish is he was here to help us with the too often stock damage we have
You are too kind my friend I am hoping to make a trip over the pond soon sadly not long enough to set up shop as it where thank you again
 
You did a fabulous job of restoring the break, that's just incredible!

I've had stock beaks on two airguns and one blackpowder rifle. The BP was a UPS handling problem. One of the airguns, an AA MPR was broken by USPS and the other airgun, my neighbor dropped my Anschutz 2002 while admiring it. The Annie was blue laminate, and it shattered like glass. I couldn't believe my eyes when it happened. He was sitting in a chair and it dropped, maybe 18-24" and it almost hit flat on concrete. I think a drinking glass would have survived better! Of the three stocks that broke, I was able to fix two so that they were totally unnoticeable, but the Annie broke with a lot of shards and hairs, it was a mess and more than two pieces. I was able to put steel rods in all three grips to strengthen them and epoxy them. I put the Annie back together and you couldn't readily see the fix, but once you got close and looked, you could see it. I had to use epoxy to fill the damaged crevices, where there was no wood to replace and color it with RIT dye. It was a good job as far as it goes, but if you looked at it, you could see the swirl of the laminate didn't match up. One good thing was you could not feel it at all.
I've always thought that laminate was far stronger than, say, walnut, but I'm here to tell you that one was not, and I've been a bit leary of them ever since. In airguns, the weight gain of laminate is not worth it to me, when other wood seems to hold up better and is lighter. In powder burners, stability would rule over strength, which is where the laminate is superior. But a properly sealed walnut stock is hard to beat. I love the look of laminate, but wow! how they will break. I've seen pics like this several times.

As to design, the AA MPR had a pretty easy to break design. The one that broke had no physical damage to the box at all. Also, AA started putting a large screw from the inlet down through the grip to strengthen the later models.
Thank you very much , I have lost count of the aa mpr and ultimate sporter stocks I have repaired over the years , I recall a customer from social media contacting me years ago now and after loosely saying not another one he went to a aa booth at a show and I had a chat with a gentleman named Chris about the design of stock , newer versions of these stocks I have refinished and noticed a reinforcement bolt added from factory so progress I guess
 
No, you didn't miss anything. I sighted in, shot a few groups and left for the night.
Came back the next morning and, as my wife's mother would say, "I no can belief."
This is in a controlled enviro, tool & die shop. Constant 72 deg. I glued and pinned
it, but.......lots of scars for no reason. I bought a new one, but never changed it. AOA
had a .177 BSA gold star se action in the used guns site. Guess where that went!! Now
my daughter has the exact same gun as me. No excuses.
 
one company knew the wrist was a weak point and added and they didn't hide them
they were at the back of the stock in plain sight and the brand Walther one model was the LGR
so, with that knowledge the lack of added support in the wrist by and manufacture is just plain lazy
at the time it would take at manufacture to add a dowel would be easy
the Diana 54 red lam stock has a history of breaking i bought a cracked one for 50 buck to fix and it is still cracked but i read a post that stated that they had seen 5 or 6 that were all damaged all in the same place the wrist
 
My main hobby is woodworking. I made most of the bedroom sets in my 4 bedrooms and my kids houses too. I also made my 10 foot long dining room table and 10 chairs. Lots of other things too. So I like to think I know something about wood. I've made a few wood stocks including for 4 of my 5 PCPs.

What bothers me about the subject fracture is how clean it is. I would expect to see fibers hanging off both sides of the fracture. The fact that they are not visible, suggests to me that the blank the stock is made from had a flaw in the location of the break. The repair is nearly invisible (great job!) and that also suggests the wood did not fail as overstressed wood fails. The clean break requires nearly all the plys of the laminate to be flawed at the same point, however. That does not seem likely. But the pictures of the break location do not look right. The discussion of the dropped rifle and it missing pieces when put back together is what I would expect. Not that it broke but when it broke it should not be clean. Especially not in a laminated piece. Laminated blanks are glued up from thin plys, of course, and if those plys are flawed then it is more likely the stock will fail. In plywood the plys run at right angles to each other and reinforce each other. Beams are sometimes made with all the plys aligned but the plys in those beams are not as thin as in laminated stocks. I wonder if the thin plys, presumably used for appearance, are not part of the issue. My theory is that if the plys were thicker, like 1/4 inch or greater, the blank would be stronger and the resulting stock would be stronger. One of the stocks I made for one of my P35s is made of 3 pieces each close to 3/4 thick. I did this because the wood came from an old church pew and by the time I got it flat it was not very thick. That stock is fine, of course. I made one for a rimfire from two pieces of lightly figured maple with a walnut piece in the middle. That one is 10 years or more old and fine too. Lamination should make the stock more stable but I wonder if lamination made of such thin plys is not a potential issue.
 
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i reality and laminated stock should have twice the strength of a solid piece of wood
now why, is it because the stain, be it alcohol based, is that stopping the wood from absorbing the glue
is there a lack of prep as in sanding the pieces to roughing them up
they, as stock makers and or the people manufacturing the blanks should know more than enough knowledge to solve this problem
there are glues that are way stronger than the surrounding wood and you are right how the hell does that many layers of wood fail in a straight line
i am 73 but when i was 8-9-10 years old i was mixing Weldwood powder resin glues for my dad and when they dried they were like glass in hardness and they would never fail
the fact is they are failing but the why is not understood by me