Bullpups vs semi and regular rifles.

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Emu

Emu

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I do not like long rifles (above 40 inches) because I feel them bulky and more difficult to handle.

But there is something that we need to recognize, specially when shooting more powerful rifles:

" It is not the same having the action of the hammer 8 inches ahead of the ear than feel and hear it just in to the ear."

So having a bullpup implies a trade off, you gain a more handle rifle but you loose on comfort when shooting.
 
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bull pups are the way to go, the longer barrel allows for less air to be used, so more shot count, and the fx might have the best trigger which is usually the downfall of a bullpup. not saying you need a long barrel but it is a lot smother in a lot of ways. that being said there is a tool for every job,,, and there is a place in Dallas are of Texas. FT Airguns in lewisville has a store where you can compare every single type of airgun on the market and scopes and accessories of all kinds
 
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Tecnically I see no reason why a bullpup should have a worse trigger, than a regular rifle. If there should be some slack in the linkage joints between the action, and the forward trigger, that slack usually dissapear when the trigger is pulled. The extra friction of the linkage joints, is probably so small that it is not noticable. But if the linkage was porly made, where it somehow bends when pulled it might be noticable.
 
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I've got a "few" PCP rifles. All but one are of the Bullpup or "rear mounted" action (too long to be considered a true bullpup). To me, a bullpup is 30" or under. That's the way firearm bullpups were designed back in the late 70's early 80's.
I don't mind a little mechanical noise from the action in my ear.

Privateer said:
I'd think a simple cable system would be better for a Bull Pup trigger system.
But probably cheaper to use the rod type they all use now.
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This "cable" design would be more costly to produce, and for...no gain.
Privateer - How would a floppy/loose cable be better than than a stiff, steel rod ?

Mike
 
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I don't notice any difference in mechanical noise between my 3 bullpups and my 2 PCPs with the traditional layout for the action. To me the only downside is also a bit of an upside. The scope ends up further above the barrel center line with a bullpup. That means you have to hold over on short shots that you would not with a conventional gun. For mine, I need to hold 2 mil dots high at 10 yards with the SFP scope set at 6X. A little more at closer range and a little less until I can just aim normally at 20 yards or so. Same thing happens on conventional guns but not as much and not for as far away.

But it isn't all bad, the zero can also be further away with a high scope. Play with it in chairgun or your favorite trajectory software if you want to see the difference. So the high scope is both a minus (at short range) or a plus (at longer distances).

But to me it is just a matter of what you like. I like short light bullpups.

The rod method of extending the trigger is better because it will not stretch at the sort of load it sees like a cable might. But the linkage has caused me to have to adjust the length on 2 of my 3. It seems like the connecting linkage straightens or something as you pull the trigger a few hundred times and you have to shorten it. On mine that means pulling a really tiny C-clip I can hardly see and turning the yoke 1 turn and then putting the pin and the little c-clip back. Not a huge big deal but when it needs adjusted you can't fire the rifle. I have to pull the stock, manually move the lever to fire the rifle and then make the adjustment. If your trigger starts getting hard to pull you may need to adjust the length of the linkage.
 
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I think both are great designs and the bullpup and carbine/sporter and rifles all shine in their prospective fields. Bullpup hands down are by far the best in the field, hunting or pesting and carbines/sporters right there. Long rifles like my RAW even with a Chassis stock are great for bench because of their length and to an extent weight even though I do lug it around to pest ground squirrels and starlings! LOL! Bullpup ping or other noise can be remedied with a single ear plug. Like both platforms and semi bullpups like Compatto or a few of Zbroia's offerings.
 
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I don't care for bullpups in general, but I have a Taipan Veteran, and I find it very satisfactory. The long rod in the trigger linkage is not an issue. It's a solid connection, and I see no weakness in it. If it were a serious BR rifle and an ultralight trigger was desired, it might not be acceptable. Mine is set at 6 ounces, and has no perceptible creep. It feels as good as any trigger I have. I suppose placing the breech closer to the ear is a disadvantage for some. I shot away most of my hearing years ago, so it's not an issue for me. Testing with a meter indicates the sound level at the breech is not in the harmful range, so I think it's more a matter of personal comfort. As for field use, again, personal preference. As much as I like the Veteran, something like the Daystate Revere is more comfortable for me in field use. Maybe because it more closely resembles my rimfire sporter rifles in handling characteristics. I don't consider the length of something like the Revere to be a disadvantage. That said, some of the HP rifles, with a suppressor, get mighty long and cumbersome.
 
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Bullpups all the way.

○ I don’t have gun traditions from my childhood to break....
○ Neither do I have PB shooting habits to break....
○ Nor am I much of a nostalgic.


So, a bullpup is just a much more practical tool.
And so much more the AB bullpups than the PB bullpups — no recoil needs to be absorbed with the shoulder — so I can find/create my very own most comfortable & precise gun hold...!! 😄


If you don't like them — no problem! We've got enough traditional AG to choose from. These are great times to be an airgunner!! 👍🏼

Matthias
 
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I grab my bullpup much more often, just easier to handle, in every way for me. I am 5’6”, so the bullpup or semi pup/carbine is an obvious choice. My Crown in ST chassis, even with a shortish 500mm barrel and mod, is just unwieldy for me, in comparison to my Prophet P. There is another bullpup in my future, and perhaps a Crown mk2 in the classifieds.
 
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MikeVV said:
This "cable" design would be more costly to produce, and for...no gain.
Privateer - How would a floppy/loose cable be better than than a stiff, steel rod ?
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That's why I said it's cheaper to do the steel rod, COST.
As to a cable system? Think along the lines of a Compound bow.
Could be very adjustable and not all floppy/loose.
 
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That's why I was thinking of a cable system. My Evanix Max Air Bullpup just seems to have a sloppy rod system.
A cable/pully system would GREATLY improve the trigger action.
Not saying it would be cheap to mass produce but you can only go so far with the old "Push it with a stick" design.
Imagine the hood release on most Cars using rods to pop the hood! LOL!
 
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