Buy once, cry once.

I think it's only natural that "noobs" ask questions about their newly purchased airguns. The more complicated the airgun, quite possibly the more complicated it is to answer the question. Isn't that in large part what this forum is about? So far, the only ones complaining in this thread, (or "crying" if those are the terms we're going to couch it in) aren't the ones who bought a higher end airgun for one of their first PCPs. Some folks just want to buy something they can grow into, rather than grow out of; and there's nothing wrong with that, if they happen to be able to afford it.
 
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No other quip raises my hackles quite as much as, "Buy once, cry once".

I just counted 9 instances of a n00b buying an M4 as a first air gun and they are completely lost in the tune and setup.

What good does it do to push n00bs to high end guns?

Discuss....
@Firewalker That's a tinkerer's airgun. An Impact is not a good first buy.

These types of threads are good to steer them towards introductory airguns in order to make a more informed decision on a quality product.



My first gun was a Benjamin Bulldog and that was a great first purchase for me. It's a pretty simple platform and good for me to learn on. I paid just under $1000 for the package and I have no regrets. Later an Evol was a dream gun, but I still like the Bulldog platform. It's not all bad to spend a little more, but what you buy matters. An Impact can leave folks with a bad taste in their mouth when just getting started.
 
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No other quip raises my hackles quite as much as, "Buy once, cry once".

I just counted 9 instances of a n00b buying an M4 as a first air gun and they are completely lost in the tune and setup.

What good does it do to push n00bs to high end guns?

Discuss....
To be fair, I’m a newb and got an m3 and tuned it perfectly fine, disassembled and cleaned, and learned all the workings of the m3 in a few hours. Maybe I’m advanced, but I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. Shooting 890-900 fps with 18.1g at 85 bar rear reg. I’m a big believer of buy once cry once, but I also do a lot of research before digging into a hobby 😁

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With sufficient knowledge and research I think "Buy once, cry once" can be a good thing.

If somebody is brand new, with 0 knowledge, 0 local/direct help, then go cheap. Don't let random people on a forum spend your money. Experiment with different things. Find out if you like pumpers, break barrels, co2, PCP etc. Find out what you like and dislike about each platform and go from there. It is much easier when spending $50-$100 each rather than $1000-$3000 only to find out you really don't like it. Spending that much and once the shiny new toy glasses come off, to be heartbroken that you hate what you bought might be enough to push somebody away for life. Maybe they discover the Crosman 13xx/22xx platforms and all the mods that are available for them to make something truly yours and that is what they love. Pushing them towards a high end break barrel or PCP setup might just push them away.

On the other hand, if that same newbie has people around that can take them shooting, show them various different models and the like and they can find out what they like, then yeah, buy once, cry once and getting a mid to upper tier buy it for life gun might be worth it rather than buying a bunch of cheap stuff for as much as that one better model would have cost and second guessing every purchase.

That is the main reason I signed up here, research. My last PCP was a Brocock Concept in ~2012 that I had to sell when my dog needed surgery. Now I am doing research on various models of break barrels and pcps and am amazed at how things have advanced in this short period of time. Going through various models, makers, types, hand pump vs all the compressors etc to find what would currently suit me best. In the end it will be a buy once cry once (within budget) decision.
 
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I bought a Challenger pro .22 as first PCP and for me it was and is a good choice. I first am working through various pellets and slugs shooting at 25 yards for group comparisons trying each one through the range of adjustments on the transfer port. When I finish that project I will turn the moderator from the current 150bar down to 100 bar and do if all over then I plan to install the heavy spring and do it again. After that Who knows? Also am doing some shooting at 100 yds. as part of above testing / tinkering. This may not make much sense but I am learning a lot doing it.
 
Life and budget often dictates what you can buy. No Lamborghini for me ! 🙂

On the other hand, spending $2k for a good airgun is not outlandish relative to other hobbies and interests (e.g. fishing, golfing, motorcycles etc.).

Over the years, limited budget forced me to make do with economy tools and equipment. Stuff doesn't need to be expensive to be functional but there's a threshold where the item crosses from "adequate" to "good". Good stuff lasts a long time (if properly maintained) and is a pleasure to use, I try to buy the best I can afford.

Couple of years ago a co-worker started asking about airguns for all the usual reasons. He wanted an airgun for plinking, pesting and small game hunting. I invited him and his two friends over to try my airguns and see what they liked.

After a morning of shooting break barrels, muli-pump, SSPs and PCPs they were most interested in PCPs. I showed them the compressor and tank setup and they spent the afternoon shooting Air Arms, Daystate, Walther, Weihrauch and FX rifles asking tons of questions.

A couple of days later they told me that they had all decided on getting .22/700mm FX Impacts. Their reasons: accuracy, compact, plenty of power, good shot count.

That the Impact had all kinds of accessories available, could change calibers, could be tuned to shoot a variety of pellets and slugs, was "nice" but not a thing for their needs.

These guys are not "airgunners". They want one pellet gun to shoot. Buy once, cry once.

Talked to my former co-worker recently. They bought a compressor to share and do a lot of shooting together. All three Impacts are shooting well, in factory stock configuration with no problems.

I believe that one should do diligence, find the right equipment, and buy the best you can afford - "buy once, cry once".

Cheers!
 
Life and budget often dictates what you can buy. No Lamborghini for me ! 🙂

On the other hand, spending $2k for a good airgun is not outlandish relative to other hobbies and interests (e.g. fishing, golfing, motorcycles etc.).

Over the years, limited budget forced me to make do with economy tools and equipment. Stuff doesn't need to be expensive to be functional but there's a threshold where the item crosses from "adequate" to "good". Good stuff lasts a long time (if properly maintained) and is a pleasure to use, I try to buy the best I can afford.

Couple of years ago a co-worker started asking about airguns for all the usual reasons. He wanted an airgun for plinking, pesting and small game hunting. I invited him and his two friends over to try my airguns and see what they liked.

After a morning of shooting break barrels, muli-pump, SSPs and PCPs they were most interested in PCPs. I showed them the compressor and tank setup and they spent the afternoon shooting Air Arms, Daystate, Walther, Weihrauch and FX rifles asking tons of questions.

A couple of days later they told me that they had all decided on getting .22/700mm FX Impacts. Their reasons: accuracy, compact, plenty of power, good shot count.

That the Impact had all kinds of accessories available, could change calibers, could be tuned to shoot a variety of pellets and slugs, was "nice" but not a thing for their needs.

These guys are not "airgunners". They want one pellet gun to shoot. Buy once, cry once.

Talked to my former co-worker recently. They bought a compressor to share and do a lot of shooting together. All three Impacts are shooting well, in factory stock configuration with no problems.

I believe that one should do diligence, find the right equipment, and buy the best you can afford - "buy once, cry once".

Cheers!
Awesome 👏 I am the same way. I do my research and usually go just outside my comfort zone. I went in for a Wildcat mk3 and walked out with the M3 for similar reasons.
 
I agree with Firewalker on this one. I see far more posts about newbs being in over there heads or experience with the guns like the Impact for a 1st choice. At the time I got into this (8ish) years ago Benjamin Discovery or Marauder were MOST people's introduction to PCP's. My personal learning curve started off with the SIMPLEST of guns and as I learned more & more I'd kinda go up 1 level at a time. This was dictated more by my finances than any long range "plan" but I'm glad it happened that way. As it happens, the guns that give me the most satisfaction are simple, dependable, laser accurate & low maintenance. I don't need 60+ o-rings & lots of problems & frustration JUST to get a gun to shoot the way mine already do! That's how it went for me. Doesn't mean it's right for everyone. Even though I could wheel & deal to get TOP tier guns now I'm 100% thrilled, enamored & satisfied with my "mid" top tier guns. (Front to Back: FX Bobcat .22, Fx Royale 500 .25, FX Boss .30)
All great guns!
 
Life and budget often dictates what you can buy. No Lamborghini for me ! 🙂

On the other hand, spending $2k for a good airgun is not outlandish relative to other hobbies and interests (e.g. fishing, golfing, motorcycles etc.).

Over the years, limited budget forced me to make do with economy tools and equipment. Stuff doesn't need to be expensive to be functional but there's a threshold where the item crosses from "adequate" to "good". Good stuff lasts a long time (if properly maintained) and is a pleasure to use, I try to buy the best I can afford.

Couple of years ago a co-worker started asking about airguns for all the usual reasons. He wanted an airgun for plinking, pesting and small game hunting. I invited him and his two friends over to try my airguns and see what they liked.

After a morning of shooting break barrels, muli-pump, SSPs and PCPs they were most interested in PCPs. I showed them the compressor and tank setup and they spent the afternoon shooting Air Arms, Daystate, Walther, Weihrauch and FX rifles asking tons of questions.

A couple of days later they told me that they had all decided on getting .22/700mm FX Impacts. Their reasons: accuracy, compact, plenty of power, good shot count.

That the Impact had all kinds of accessories available, could change calibers, could be tuned to shoot a variety of pellets and slugs, was "nice" but not a thing for their needs.

These guys are not "airgunners". They want one pellet gun to shoot. Buy once, cry once.

Talked to my former co-worker recently. They bought a compressor to share and do a lot of shooting together. All three Impacts are shooting well, in factory stock configuration with no problems.

I believe that one should do diligence, find the right equipment, and buy the best you can afford - "buy once, cry once".

Cheers!
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All great guns!
I like your approach and agree with what you said. I think it’s different for everyone. I usually learn very quickly and usually find myself wanting ”top tier” stuff pretty quickly. I like what someone else said also; I don’t have any crazy hobbies or big expenses in my life so I have enough play money to buy something nice every once in a while.

I got introduced to PCP rifles when we hired a guy at my golf course to shoot iguanas. I drove him around and picked his brain for an hour or so and got to shoot the gun and was already researching guns by the end of the day. Believe it or not I started about a month ago with a Gamo break barrel and quickly realized that my break barrel isn’t nearly as COOL as that guys PCP. I just picked up the M3 a few weeks ago and am having a blast. I have some firearms I like to shoot but this appealed to me for a few different reasons.

Long story short, I knew I wanted to have a nice rifle, tried break barrel, got an Impact. Boy that escalated quickly. But now I don’t really have much desire to go get a “better” rifle. I’ve always been a buy once cry once person.
 
I have owned 2 Impacts the MK1 and MK3. I don't regret ether one. Both came out of the box shooting pellets with supreme accuracy, 1/2inch groups at 50 yards was easy (when the wind wasn't blowing). When I bought my first Impact I didn't know a lot about tuning, I just like the looks of the gun. I didn't change the tune for about a year and a half after I watched videos and read a lot of info on them. eventually I tuned the 1st one to shoot the 33.95 heavy's. My point is you should buy what you like and can afford and take your time to learn how to operate it properly. Most issues with air guns are operator error.
 
I don't think that there is a universally correct answer here. Some first time buyers have invested a lot of time in studying the PCP market, and have a good understanding of the basics. Others are over their head with a Daisy Red Ryder. I'm hesitant to offer advice to a new enthusiast without knowing more than is generally available about their preparation.
 
I always interpreted “buy once, cry once” to suggest purchasing to meet your need/want, rather than meet a price point. As mentioned by others, that varies by individual, budget, and need. I think buying into any hobby too cheaply can be a major deterrent to enjoyment and progress. Are you really bad at golf, or just bought garbage gear that doesn’t fit you? Do all cigars taste like wet, moldy dog, or was a $1.50 stick a bad starting point? Are all airguns inaccurate and hard to shoot, or was the 1600fps department store whiz bang an ill-advised choice? I’d rarely suggest jumping to the absolute top of the heap for anything, but understanding when the object you are buying will not handicap your experience with it is beyond important.
 
What I find kind of interesting is that guys in this topic are or seem to be considering the FX Impact a top tier airgun. I’ve had a bunch of them and while I think they are definitely a $2k airgun, I don’t consider any of them top tier. I know what guns are up there. I own one of them and maybe someday when I thin the herd of expensive Lego Impacts, I’ll buy one or two legit quality aggravation free airguns.
 
No other quip raises my hackles quite as much as, "Buy once, cry once".

I just counted 9 instances of a n00b buying an M4 as a first air gun and they are completely lost in the tune and setup.

What good does it do to push n00bs to high end guns?

Discuss....
It doesn’t do anyone any good to recommend a Ferrari to someone who can’t drive.
But
Some people don’t want to learn how to drive in a VW

Silly? Yep.
Ego? Yep.

Sigh
 
Discretionary budgets rule the choice. If you have a tight discretionary account then you need to do a lot of research and buy the very best you can afford.
If you have a more expansive budget you need to do a lot of research and buy the gun that appears to address your perceived needs and desires.
I say perceived because most people I have watched get into this game evolve over time and refine what it is they want from their air guns.
”buy once cry once” is good advice. It is just as applicable to those with tighter budgets if not more so as they lack the spare dollars to correct a bad choice.
I have never owned an entry level air gun and most likely never will. I have nothing against them. I just have no interest in them.
When I got into this I wanted the best I could afford while remaining somewhat cautious because this was new to me and there was no guarantee I would like it enough to stick with it. After a short stint with a Daystate Pulsar I learned E-guns were not for me and felt the future lay with E-guns and the infinitely variable performance of the FX platforms. I like to tinker and learn so FX was a good fit for me.
I would say if somebody wants an M4 or M3 for their first gun and they have the mechanical wherewithal to learn and understand tuning and repairs, buy it. Due to the proliferation of the Impact in the market the supposed mystery of tuning them has all but disappeared. There is a ton of good information out there on tuning and repair of the Impact. If you have a modicum of mechanical intuition you are off and running.
If you don’t have any mechanical intuition do NOT buy an Impact.