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Can a barrel just go bad?

Yesterday was the second time I polished a barrel right into using the next size up slug. And I am anything but aggressive about polishing. I don’t use a bunch of compounds and a million strokes. And these aren’t Chinese barrels. Maybe you barrel polished your way right into the first 23 caliber pellet gun.
 
Push pellets through the barrel with a rod to feel how tight they are in the bore. If the pellets go loose ahead of the breech, then that could indicate a constriction near the breech. That constriction could be left over lead from when the airgun was hard to load.

Ideally there should be some drag on the pellet all the way down the barrel. It sounds like by shortening the barrel, there is no choke, so it is important that the pellet not be sized down at the breech to rattle all the way down the barrel.

Other than left over lead, overtightening the barrel retention screws can spring the barrel out of round, This is a partial choke, and if there are two grub screws, the choked section can be wider, or wide enough to cause trouble. If the screws were tight enough to yield the soft steel, then the barrel could have "reverse dimples" at the screw locations. If you can't see such internal dings, you might be able to feel them when pushing pellets through the bore. Hopefully there are no such permanent dings in the barrel.

Try pushing pellets from the muzzle also. The crown is likely to make it harder initially than pushing from the breech, but the same idea of feeling how the drag varies down the bore applies.

Look at the rifling engagement on the head and skirt if pellets pushed all the way through, VS partway through and reversed back out. That will also tell you if your pellets and barrel are matched; and if there is a burr at the crown. Depending on your re-crowning method and how gentle you were, the new crown may have rolled the edge of the steel inwards. Troubleshoot as if you don't know anything about the barrel. Suspect everything.

If the pellets are not sloppy loose in the breech, but the pushed pellets indicate that the bore at the breech is tighter than near the muzzle, then biased lapping to even out pellet friction may help. Some people deliberately use more lapping stroked towards the breech end to create a subtle taper down towards the muzzle. Think of it as a long but very gentle choke that ensures the pellet is never free to yaw or rattle down the bore. This assumes the pellets are not to small for the bore. In that case, you need larger pellets, or a new barrel with a tighter bore.

If there are dings inside the bore opposite the grub screws, you may be able to lap those out with a "hard lap". One made from lead cast into the bore around a brass brush. Or a lead slug that has been "bumped" up in diameter to keep is snug.

Barrel retention screws should be nipped very lightly to avoid springing or dinging a thin soft airgun barrel. To prevent the screws from coming loose, use Loctite. I like wicking Loctite that can be applied after I am happy with the grub screws. Tightening those screws to the point where your concern is stripping the threads would definitely spring or ding the bore shut enough to matter with an unchoked barrel. With a choked barrel, you might get away with it.
 
I’m late to finding this thread but as I read over it, most all of the suggestions I could think of have already been expressed. However the “3 inch wandering groups at only 5 yards!” is beyond the reach of a mere dirty barrel and likely even that of a blown breech O-ring.

Poor barrel fixation would be one of my first suspicions but you’ve investigated that already.

The other thing that I am leery of is having introduced a burr at the crown from the attempt to dress it. This has been the most common issue in my experience with helping people work through some of the common accurizing techniques. And it seems to follow from the gummy ductile steel that a lot of the budget barrels are made of, as referenced by @Vetmx. Even with a careful effort with light pressure and modest RPMs (so as not to generate too much heat), a wire edge gets pushed into the bore and doesn’t want to release.

Follow the advice from @subscriber and push some pellets through and pay attention to the whole runway as he described, but with particular focus on what happens just as the head of the pellet reaches the muzzle. It’s an unchoked barrel, right? In that case it should surprise you when each the head and skirt emerge. If you feel any increase in pressure needed to pop it out the end, there is a burr left behind. Though if my hunch is correct, it will be quite easy to detect because the sudden loss of accuracy is so dramatic.
 
By the way if you managed to enlarge the bore with your polishing effort, I would like to congratulate you on your superhero stamina. I routinely lap bores with abrasives far more aggressive, and the idea that one can meaningfully enlarge a bore with a polishing compound is something that exceeds the capacity of my imagination.
 
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I have pushed pellets down the barrel and they don't feel as tight as I would think. The head of the pellet doesn't seem to get much engagement with the rifling, and it's pretty shallow on the skirt.

As for the grub screws that mount the barrel, they can only get just tight enough to hold the barrel in place. If you cranked them down, they pull the threads out of the aluminum breech. Happened to me on the beeman 1358 and had to upside the screws/threads.

I'm leaning towards the bore is oversized since the 5.53 pellets group the best. 5.51 are all over, and 5.52 are tighter than 5.51. I don't have any larger at the moment.

I swapped the 1358 barrel back on last night and it's hole in hole with multiple pellets. It's got to be that crappy pistol barrel is just chinese junk.

I have a couple ideas to remedy my issue. I can buy a cheap barra barrel and cut/crown to the length I want and are the chance of getting another crap barrel. I can use leave the longer barrel on and have OCD drive me insane, or I can shim and epoxy a kral pistol barrel I have into the breech. The magazine mounting then becomes and issue. I could either drill the breech and mag. and glue in small magnets, or epoxy a small washer to the back of the barrel to let the mag clip in like it's designed for.
 
By the way if you managed to enlarge the bore with your polishing effort, I would like to congratulate you on your superhero stamina. I routinely lap bores with abrasives far more aggressive, and the idea that one can meaningfully enlarge a bore with a polishing compound is something that exceeds the capacity of my imagination.
I doubt it's that, although I do have Popeye forearms!

I only did 50 slow strokes, 25 each direction, changing the patch every so often.
 
Before giving up on it entirely, please consider the following. While it may indeed be true that the bore is on the large side of the spectrum but the sudden loss of accuracy suggests there is very likely an easy remedy available if you can just identify it.

And regarding what to look for in terms of engagement with the lands, if you can make out even the faintest engraving all around the perimeter with the aid of a 5x loupe, that is more than sufficient to keep the head from tipping in the bore.

In fact I’ve had some extraordinary tins of pellets whose heads showed nothing more than burnishing with the lands (no engraving, just rub marks). However it’s not really possible to use burnish marks as an inspection criterion because it’s possible that the head sort of ping-ponged off the lands as it moved through the bore.
 
Before giving up on it entirely, please consider the following. While it may indeed be true that the bore is on the large side of the spectrum but the sudden loss of accuracy suggests there is very likely an easy remedy available if you can just identify it.

And regarding what to look for in terms of engagement with the lands, if you can make out even the faintest engraving all around the perimeter with the aid of a 5x loupe, that is more than sufficient to keep the head from tipping in the bore.

In fact I’ve had some extraordinary tins of pellets whose heads showed nothing more than burnishing with the lands (no engraving, just rub marks). However it’s not really possible to use burnish marks as an inspection criterion because it’s possible that the head sort of ping-ponged off the lands as it moved through the bore.
The accuracy wasn't the best to begin with. It was decent, like within an 1" at 20 yards. It was all over past 25. That's why I figured a crown dress and barrel polish would tighten things up. I will check the leade area again, and the crown. The crown is decently recessed so I might need to get in there with a #6 brass screw. It doesn't really appear to have got polished to the lands/grooves, just on the bevel down to them.
 
Here are a couple pics of the crown and the leade area. I havent touched the leade yet, and the crown was just a quick pass with some fine grut compound and a #8 slotted brass screw.
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Yes sir, that's what I was about to say. Looks like another victim of a piloted crowning tool. Every time I see that, I want to strangle someone.
So, you think I can cut it back and recrown? Or just scrap it and move on to my Kral barrel idea? I know it's a good barrel. I'm also thinking of getting a little longer one, the np02 13" barrel. It can always go on one of my other science projects.
 
Looks like another victim of a piloted crowning tool. Every time I see that, I want to strangle someone.


You know, that feeling of strangling someone who messed up an already cheap barrel isn't unique to you.....

In fact, historians have reported an increase of mysterious stranglings in China ever since that country started manufacturing airguns.....

Matthias
 
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That transfer hole have burrs, and we can also expect the start of the rifling inside lead in. When you inspect with a tip most likely each will pull the hairs.
I definitely see the burr on the transfer port now, and the leade into the rifling is basically just a flat lip vs a smooth cone in. I can clean all that up, but the pilot marks as Jason mentioned are going to still be an issue. I could cut it back a half inch or so and try again. I don't have a bore scope small enough for 22 to check the rifling the whole way, but it appears fine when held up to a light.
 
That transfer hole have burrs, and we can also expect the start of the rifling inside lead in. When you inspect with a tip most likely each will pull the hairs.
Here are a couple pics of the crown and the leade area. I havent touched the leade yet, and the crown was just a quick pass with some fine grut compound and a #8 slotted brass screw.View attachment 420918View attachment 420919View attachment 420920
Yes bigHUN, that transfer port and lead need to be addressed first to not damage the pellet's initial contact with the barrel.

Dr. Kralenstein you are correct, the crown looks like it could be cleaned up more as well.
 
So, you think I can cut it back and recrown?
Yeah that's what I would do. I've fixed a bunch of SPA and Crosman barrels with a chop and recrown, and most of them completely transformed once the damaged portion at the muzzle was removed. But of course there are no guarantees, and since you have another barrel at the ready, my guess is it comes down to whether you are enticed by the prospect of turning a sow's ear into a silk purse, or would prefer to take the higher probability path and repurpose the offending barrel as a tomato stake this spring.

By the way, I agree with bugHUN that the barrel port and leade could use some attention. And it looks virtually identical to the barrel from the Crosman Icon I got a few weeks ago, which appears to come from the same factory as the Beeman Commander, so it wouldn't surprise me if the same factory made your Beeman 2028...exercising the same extreme care to mangle the rifling at the muzzle.
 
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@nervoustrig

From what I've gathered, the icon and beeman power series guns, also the Barra 1100z all share many parts.

I cleaned up the leade and port with some 1000 grit sand paper on the tip of a rounded dowel. Definitely had a burr come off. I had to use a pick to grab it out of the transfer port hole. The leade edge has been smoothed down now, and I cleaned the crown a bit more with the 100 grut paper and dowel, just twirled it in hand n an orbital pattern. Looks better and not catching any cotton off patches or Q-tip.

Going to try it once more after I get done playing with the longer barrel. It's a tack driver with the 19" barrel and tethered to my bottle. This barrel is going back on the 1358 action and being converted to a side lever or bolt, and going in an Ar2078b stock. Too good of a shooter to sit on the shelf.
 
Just for perspective, I wanted to consider the time it takes to repair a barrel that has been damaged by a piloted crowning tool, versus what it takes to apply a "good enough" crown in a rushed production setting...even one tasked with building the cheapest entry level air rifles like the aforementioned Crosman, Beeman, and Diana guns.

So I gave myself 10 seconds to bang out a quick crown. Three (3) seconds with a carbide burr, followed by 7 seconds with a diamond ball:
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It's not the prettiest but it's burr-free, showing the distinct profile of the lands and grooves, and no chance of damaging the rifling in the bore. So this is the level of care and attention they seemingly cannot be bothered to give. Utterly shameful.
 
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