"Can we stop the Hate?" -Nate @ Airgun Channel

[Guest]

You lost a whole bunch of people when you said in your comment section "I don't try too hard with hatsans" stay humble my friend...maybe stop trying to make money off of others ...

Seriously? Everyone tries to make money off of others because everyone needs to eat. I don't have a dog in this fight but this comment caught my attention. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to turn a profit so long as it is fair and honest and the customer feels he got what he wanted.

To the OP: I don't know of your YT channel, never saw it. I think you got some great advice in this thread and I couldn't top it so won't. That second post in the thread really nailed it, I think. Being an expert is important. Being an expert AND humble is inspiring. Be inspiring. People want to see videos from someone like Joe. Fun, interesting, and doesn't get his panties in a bunch when someone calls him an asshole... He just keeps on doing his thing.

Be fair. Be honest. Be humble. You'll win all the races.

 

[phillip]

I have watched and enjoyed your videos. And not only do I think they’re well done, they’re informative as well. As others have stated, it can sometimes be a balancing act when one begins to accrue a large number of viewers. I think you’re experiencing a bit of that right now. I’m also aware that those who create content for the internet must oftentimes purchase and then sell equipment. I don’t think anyone would begrudge someone their ability to recoup investments, and I don’t recall seeing any of the guns you offered up for sale as being unreasonably priced. I always thought the prices were more than fair.

That said, the recent offering of pellets for sale will almost certainly have altered how people perceive you. 


Such is the price of celebrity.

 

[MikeVV]

Wow, I had no idea there are so many whiners here.

While I've read a few comments here that I agree with and some...like the apparent haters, are just plain childs play.

On the other hand, like one poster noted, using a / any gun for an afternoon or two, putting less than 100 rounds through it (your basic words), does not...get you familiar with the gun. Sure, you've handled a lot of guns, and know the basics, but in my short time getting familiar with various guns, to me, it puts me...almost...right up there close you, in OVERALL gun knowledge, which in reality, isn't very informed in any given gun ! I'm still learning, got a long way to go.

In my "early" (!!!) days on this forum, I noticed a lot of your videos. Like was posted earlier, your use of over the top use of some adjectives and comments, actually turned me off of watching your videos. I realized that the only reason you knew more about a given gun, was that you had it in your hand, and I didn't. I seemed to know a very similar amount of knowledge as you do, and like I said, I don't have the gun in my hand. I just did some of my own homework, mostly reading others comments and reports. You tought me little to nothing new that I hadn't already figured out in my own reading.

Again. like above, the way I see it. if you want to be more well liked (NOT everyone will!), you need to get deeper into the given gun that you are talking about. Pass on some real, actual detailed information, not just surface fluff that means little to many / most. Like the videos on the AEAC, Steve heads much deeper into the guns that he reviews. He learns about the details of the gun, what actually makes them work well...or not so well (e doesn't do much of that !). Get away from your..."best trigger", or "amazing barrel", or the over the top stock, or the..."best this, best that comments.

Not all / many guns have the "best" of much of anything..! Many or most have very good, this or that to them, but "few" have the BEST of anything. Plus, what's "best" for one, may be meaningless to another person.

Lighten up here on the forum, lighten up with your wording in your videos, do more, in depth research about the guns that you "review" (used lightly). You may well get off a little easier here.

Mike

 

[HARLEY01]

You lost a whole bunch of people when you said in your comment section "I don't try too hard with hatsans" stay humble my friend...maybe stop trying to make money off of others ...

Seriously? Everyone tries to make money off of others because everyone needs to eat. I don't have a dog in this fight but this comment caught my attention. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to turn a profit so long as it is fair and honest and the customer feels he got what he wanted.

To the OP: I don't know of your YT channel, never saw it. I think you got some great advice in this thread and I couldn't top it so won't. That second post in the thread really nailed it, I think. Being an expert is important. Being an expert AND humble is inspiring. Be inspiring. People want to see videos from someone like Joe. Fun, interesting, and doesn't get his panties in a bunch when someone calls him an asshole... He just keeps on doing his thing.

Be fair. Be honest. Be humble. You'll win all the races.

Needs to eat?...are you listening to yourself?there's a need to eat, and a need for GREED...learn the difference 

 

[Rocko]

I don't think anyone hates anyone. By posting this you are only stirring the pot. Forget it and move on.

 

[bubblerboy64]

I’m certainly as guilty as the next ( maybe more so) but some times as hard as it is keeping quiet is for the best. Thread should never have been started 

 

[UCChris]

I've only seen a few videos of yours and didn't see the thread about the pellets nor the price you were asking. 

I don't enjoy your videos, but I was still subscribed cause we should help out our fellow airgunners. People have preferences on how they like information and content delivered. I will say that the fact that you only have brief interactions with the products that you review and spread tuning instructions that you've only just learned yourself is pretty apparent in your videos. 

I don't know what you were asking for the pellets, but I absolutely hate anyone that price gouges. There's reasonable price increases from increased cost that dealers are incurring these days with the global shipping/distribution situation. Then there's being a #&@$ and trying to make a quick buck off of fellow enthusiasts. I don't know which you engaged in, so no judgement from me. 

Edit: Found out it was $80 for four tins of Crosman pellets. What a $#&@ move. Now I'm glad I don't watch your videos and I hope that boneheaded decision cost you money in lost sales here and lost viewership.

And those saying "capitalism and free market", I agree! And the free market will punish those gouging their fellow members. At least I would hope so.

I've unsubscribed and I know several others have as well. I know you don't care, as you made that perfectly clear in the other thread.

Sheesh.

 

[Glem.Chally]

I've only seen a few videos of yours and didn't see the thread about the pellets nor the price you were asking. 

I don't enjoy your videos, but that's not your problem. People have preferences on how they like information and content delivered. I will say that the fact that you only have brief interactions with the products that you review and spread tuning instructions that you've only just learned yourself is pretty apparent in your videos. 

I don't know what you were asking for the pellets, but I absolutely hate anyone that price gouges. There's reasonable price increases from increased cost that dealers are incurring these days with the global shipping/distribution situation. Then there's being a #&@$ and trying to make a quick buck off of fellow enthusiasts. I don't know which you engaged in, so no judgement from me.

80$ for 4 tins of crosmans.

 

[Guest]

You lost a whole bunch of people when you said in your comment section "I don't try too hard with hatsans" stay humble my friend...maybe stop trying to make money off of others ...

Seriously? Everyone tries to make money off of others because everyone needs to eat. I don't have a dog in this fight but this comment caught my attention. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to turn a profit so long as it is fair and honest and the customer feels he got what he wanted.

To the OP: I don't know of your YT channel, never saw it. I think you got some great advice in this thread and I couldn't top it so won't. That second post in the thread really nailed it, I think. Being an expert is important. Being an expert AND humble is inspiring. Be inspiring. People want to see videos from someone like Joe. Fun, interesting, and doesn't get his panties in a bunch when someone calls him an asshole... He just keeps on doing his thing.

Be fair. Be honest. Be humble. You'll win all the races.

Needs to eat?...are you listening to yourself?there's a need to eat, and a need for GREED...learn the difference

I know the difference. Generally in this life, "listen to yourself", IS good advice, unless the person GIVING it to you does not practice what he preaches.

Yes I said people need to eat. Because of that they need to EARN money. Money is earned in any number of ways, some of them savory, some not so savory. One man will judge another because he thinks the man is not being fair. Another man will simply say, "If you don't like the deal, don't make it." If the next guy likes the deal and takes it, that is generally neither your business NOR good reason for you to judge either party.

So, yeah, we should ALL "listen to ourselves".

 

[Guest]

I've only seen a few videos of yours and didn't see the thread about the pellets nor the price you were asking. 

I don't enjoy your videos, but that's not your problem. People have preferences on how they like information and content delivered. I will say that the fact that you only have brief interactions with the products that you review and spread tuning instructions that you've only just learned yourself is pretty apparent in your videos. 

I don't know what you were asking for the pellets, but I absolutely hate anyone that price gouges. There's reasonable price increases from increased cost that dealers are incurring these days with the global shipping/distribution situation. Then there's being a #&@$ and trying to make a quick buck off of fellow enthusiasts. I don't know which you engaged in, so no judgement from me.

80$ for 4 tins of crosmans.

Did he also come to your house, twist your arm AND force you to buy them? No? Hmmm, so no harm, no foul. He probably didn't even manage to sell them. He probably won't do that again after the horse manure you folks have heaped upon him.

Meh... I don't give a rats ass TBH except I don't like to see a pack of dogs kill a cat...

 

[Glem.Chally]

I've only seen a few videos of yours and didn't see the thread about the pellets nor the price you were asking. 

I don't enjoy your videos, but that's not your problem. People have preferences on how they like information and content delivered. I will say that the fact that you only have brief interactions with the products that you review and spread tuning instructions that you've only just learned yourself is pretty apparent in your videos. 

I don't know what you were asking for the pellets, but I absolutely hate anyone that price gouges. There's reasonable price increases from increased cost that dealers are incurring these days with the global shipping/distribution situation. Then there's being a #&@$ and trying to make a quick buck off of fellow enthusiasts. I don't know which you engaged in, so no judgement from me.

80$ for 4 tins of crosmans.

Did he also come to your house, twist your arm AND force you to buy them? No? Hmmm, so no harm, no foul. He probably didn't even manage to sell them. He probably won't do that again after the horse manure you folks have heaped upon him.

Meh... I don't give a rats ass TBH except I don't like to see a pack of dogs kill a cat...

Did anyone say that he came to their house for a round of arm twist game? No.

I was just responding to the person above that didn't know what started the other thread. Me, I'm not offended and honestly don't care either way 

The same "who cares he can do what he wants" arguement can be applied to people who can say whatever they want if they disapprove of trying to price gouge fellow members right? Yes.

He is free to do as he likes of course but will he hear what other members think about it? Probably.

 

[Guest]

I've only seen a few videos of yours and didn't see the thread about the pellets nor the price you were asking. 

I don't enjoy your videos, but that's not your problem. People have preferences on how they like information and content delivered. I will say that the fact that you only have brief interactions with the products that you review and spread tuning instructions that you've only just learned yourself is pretty apparent in your videos. 

I don't know what you were asking for the pellets, but I absolutely hate anyone that price gouges. There's reasonable price increases from increased cost that dealers are incurring these days with the global shipping/distribution situation. Then there's being a #&@$ and trying to make a quick buck off of fellow enthusiasts. I don't know which you engaged in, so no judgement from me.

80$ for 4 tins of crosmans.

Did he also come to your house, twist your arm AND force you to buy them? No? Hmmm, so no harm, no foul. He probably didn't even manage to sell them. He probably won't do that again after the horse manure you folks have heaped upon him.

Meh... I don't give a rats ass TBH except I don't like to see a pack of dogs kill a cat...

Did anyone say that he came to their house for a round of arm twist game? No.

I was just responding to the person above that didn't know what started the other thread. Me, I'm not offended and honestly don't care either way 

The same "who cares he can do what he wants" arguement can be applied to people who can say whatever they want if they disapprove of trying to price gouge fellow members right? Yes.

He is free to do as he likes of course but will he hear what other members think about it? Probably.

Entirely reasonable. Like I said, what are the odds that is going to happen again? How old is he? Seems to me like ... well put another way ... If you think I am an asshole now, you should have known me forty years ago...

 

[HARLEY01]

I think everyone can learn from this ridiculous thread...please don't try to take advantage of a really poopty situation like this., powderburners do this to a point to where it's just utterly impossible to deal with any thought of brotherhood. We are in this TOGETHER!

 

[Blackpaw]

Okay well, I put myself in the middle of the ages groups here, but one thing my parents taught me is regardless of your age, being humble is being noble. Also my parents taught me that promoting yourself and your abilities is fine, but self glorification is wrong. (In some religious / spiritual beliefs a BIG NO NO!) My sister taught my niece and nephew as we were taught the above.

@kaylaindy If you really want to “Man up” and apologize publicly on your YouTube channel. I won’t see it, because after you let your self glorification take over (big spiritual no no) then I stopped watching your channel.

@utahairguns @fxairguns 

 

[UCChris]

Okay well, I put myself in the middle of the ages groups here, but one thing my parents taught me is regardless of your age, being humble is being noble. Also my parents taught me that promoting yourself and your abilities is fine, but self glorification is wrong. (In some religious / spiritual beliefs a BIG NO NO!) My sister taught my niece and nephew as we were taught the above.

@kaylaindy If you really want to “Man up” and apologize publicly on your YouTube channel. I won’t see it, because after you let your self glorification take over (big spiritual no no) then I stopped watching your channel.

@utahairguns @fxairguns 

If I were FX or UT AG, I'd be embarrassed to support someone who is proud of himself for gouging pellets on eBay.

 

[Blackpaw]

@ucchris I tagged UA and FX for a reason, it wasn’t random.

 

[HARLEY01]

Are we gonna cry about this all night?...it's not the end of the world....I'm pretty certain the point is made. 

 

[Michael]

ENOUGH! Moderators will be reviewing this topic & the other related topic. If anyone has broken out rules they will be receiving warnings.

-Michael

 

[uhfradarwill]

I saw this coming!!

 

[willy]

Hay" Nate ,boy i hope these guys dont go to e-bay looking for pellets,they will will really get their pantys up in a not" hay at least your testing some stuff before ya can sell it,i seen ya get rid of some really nice stuff" and it worked good"i think ya took a $100 to $200 beating? but the stuff worked" what the hell else do they want? Ya just cant make every body happy."O" say high to Bugaboo" see ya" Willy