Cheap PCP vs mid end springer?

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im looking to buy another new airgun (makes 5 this year I think...) im not looking to spend a ton of money on this one, Im thinking about $350 is going to be my limit. on the PCP side of things, the avenger is looking dang good, but what springer would anyone recommend at this price point? I have a couple gamos and a couple crosman break barrels and yea im not super impressed, not disappointed, just not impressed. would the Beeman r7 be a good option? I should probably add that the main use for this new gun would be small game hunting and pest control at moderate distances. are any of the Diannas any good?
 
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Good springer .. cock , load, shoot , repeat all day everyday .... overhead costs is just pretty much another tin of pellets ..

Pcp .. well scope , pump then tired of pumping , then compressor $300+/- and hope you get life from it rebuy if not long lasting, wow maybe you can shoot at least one pellet by then .. lol , ect ..

Pcp got some nice guns bit just the mess to even get to shoot it kinda ruins it for me .
 
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Sqwirl57 said:
The R7 is a great option but a little underpowered for hunting. It can be used for small game but your range is limited to 25yds or so and require a brain shot. The gun is MORE than accurate enough to do this. For a bit more, the HW50S may be a better bet. A little flatter shooting and a bit more power while still being a relatively small gun.
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Vana2 said:
The R7 (HW30) is a very nice little springer. An all day plinker that a pleasure to shoot. It's a small, light airgun if that's what you want.

I also have an HW50 that's a bit bigger, heavier and has more power if you want to do some pesting or hunting.
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Heck just do a hw95/R9 in .177 it's got just right power for most rodents to 50y easy.
 
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Gerry52 said:
How are you going to supply air to your $350 pcp? Avenger is probably a great intro to PCP'S but doesn't do one any good without a method to fill it with air.
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A cheap Chinese hand pump will do quite nicely and isn't nearly as hard as some springer fans would lead folks to believe.

Until recently, I am 63, I always hand pumped my PCPs with no problems. Because of health issues, I did purchase a GX-E-CS4 compressor, but on my good days, I can still hand pump without a problem.

The question is, how many quality/consistent shots do you expect from your PCP and how much are you going to shoot in any given session?

For me, I am shooting pests and only shoot paper to make sure that my PCP airguns are still hitting the mark. (MOA or Sub-MOA).

If you are going to shoot targets/plink and shoot a lot in one session, then you might want a compressor but hand pumping is still a viable option for those who only shoot pests in their backyard. Hand pumping is not the chore some have made it out to be!

It perturbs me that so many people are obsessed with owning a compressor when hand pumping is a much better option much of the time and not as hard as some have made it out to be.

Just my humble opinion.

All my best!

Kerry
 
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Sqwirl57 said:
The R7 is a great option but a little underpowered for hunting. It can be used for small game but your range is limited to 25yds or so and require a brain shot. The gun is MORE than accurate enough to do this. For a bit more, the HW50S may be a better bet. A little flatter shooting and a bit more power while still being a relatively small gun.
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so the state game area I hunt in the shots I get are 25 and in for the most part, so not big problem there, and then for the pest animals in my yard, mainly chipmunks getting into my gardens, I got a TalonP 25 cal pistol pushing 45 foot pounds of energy and a Benjamin akela for longer range shots, I really really want a hw97k, but that would be for sure out of the price point. I could afford it, but it would be hard to justify with all the PCPs in the price point being arguably more versatile than the 97k
 
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TYLERHASKINS2 said:
but it would be hard to justify with all the PCPs in the price point being arguably more versatile than the 97k
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You're in the wrong mind set! Yes a PCP will be easier to shoot. A springer is rewarding in its own way though. It's hard to explain but once you've tried a really good springer you will understand. Or maybe you won't lol. It is kind of an acquired taste but the people who get it will understand.
 
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TYLERHASKINS2 said:
I have a 4500 PSI compressor
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Then you got that pcp investment al ready so it just what ever you like in a gun at a price point ... Having a compressor handy to start there's pretty good sectional of maybe more affordable pcp guns .. kinda like sqwirl said for me as well I can't put down a good springer and it's one thing investment . Like I said only extra cost is tins of pellets and a tune job (60$+/-) occasionally .
 
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I have an Avenger in 25 caliber that I bought when they were still $300. The stock is not very nice but I've modified it to fit me and it is functional and pretty accurate. It is easy to tune with an external regulator although you have to degass to go down. I shoot it at a little over 40 fpe but it wouldn't be hard to get it up a bit over 50 fpe. I do not care for the plastic support for the shroud but the reason I shoot it the least is it is so LONG. I really like bullpups. My favorites are Snowpeak (SPA) P35s. Much less plastic in the construction than my Avenger. Under 30 inches long and 5 lbs before you add a scope. They are almost $100 over your price target, however. Stoeger has a long air rifle made by SPA, I think, that should meet your price target. It would be worth a look. Airgun, Archery, Fun is worth visiting, Wes has several airguns that are probably in your budget and he is good to work with. He's in Canada but ships to the U. S.
 
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If you want a springer for both hunting and target practice I'd recommend an HW95/R9 if you can afford it and an RWS34 if you can't. The HW30/R7 is a great little rifle too, but a bit weak for hunting. Any of these three will be a big step up from what you've got now though, especially once you adjust the trigger, (and the HWs have one of the best triggers available).

A PCP will generally be more powerful and more accurate. All springers require a little bit of finesse to shoot well. PCPs are much more inert. All you really have to do with a PCP is keep the crosshairs centered while you pull the trigger. A high end springer like a TX200 will generally be more accurate than a low end PCP, but only in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot it well. Generally, the less power a springer has and the more it weighs the easier it will be to shoot accurately. "Super magnum" springers are rarely very accurate.

PCPs also tend to be far noisier than springers if you don't put a can on them. So if you buy a PCP without one add that to your budget.
 
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Sawney Bean said:
If you want a springer for both hunting and target practice I'd recommend an HW95/R9 if you can afford it and an RWS34 if you can't. The HW30/R7 is a great little rifle too, but a bit weak for hunting. Any of these three will be a big step up from what you've got now though, especially once you adjust the trigger, (and the HWs have one of the best triggers available).

A PCP will generally be more powerful and more accurate. All springers require a little bit of finesse to shoot well. PCPs are much more inert. All you really have to do with a PCP is keep the crosshairs centered while you pull the trigger. A high end springer like a TX200 will generally be more accurate than a low end PCP, but only in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot it well.

PCPs also tend to be far noisier than springers if you don't put a can on them. So if you buy a PCP without one add that to your budget.
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Bull... I won't argue with much of your post but this is pure BS.

All my best!

Kerry
 
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BackStop said:
A cheap Chinese hand pump will do quite nicely and isn't nearly as hard as some springer fans would lead folks to believe.

Until recently, I am 63, I always hand pumped my PCPs with no problems. Because of health issues, I did purchase a GX-E-CS4 compressor, but on my good days, I can still hand pump without a problem.

The question is, how many quality/consistent shots do you expect from your PCP and how much are you going to shoot in any given session?

For me, I am shooting pests and only shoot paper to make sure that my PCP airguns are still hitting the mark. (MOA or Sub-MOA).

If you are going to shoot targets/plink and shoot a lot in one session, then you might want a compressor but hand pumping is still a viable option for those who only shoot pests in their backyard. Hand pumping is not the chore some have made it out to be!

It perturbs me that so many people are obsessed with owning a compressor when hand pumping is a much better option much of the time and not as hard as some have made it out to be.

Just my humble opinion.

All my best!

Kerry
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Have to agree, I own a HPA compressor and two SCBAs and still hand pump my Atomics… My bottle gun? No way that gets fed from aforementioned SCBAs.
 
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BackStop said:
Bull... I won't argue with much of your post but this is pure BS.

All my best!

Kerry
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There isn't a spring gun I can think of that I wouldn't consider backyard friendly with or without a can. PCPs on the other hand are often noisier than powder burners if they're unmoderated. My Hatsan Jet is as noisy as a .22lr IMO. I've never fired a springer that even approached it in terms of noise unless they were detonating.

And I would consider a shroud to also be a can. It's just an integral one.
 
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