Just curious what would be the benefit/improvement, I'm not really seeing huge improvement correlating to the price. It certainly is nice to have the rear section stiffened up but it is still mounted to a floppy "backbone". Given what I can already do with just the backbone upgrade I'm not sure if this is an upgrade warrant the price.
The stock pellet probe will seat anything as square as possible already, open it up with Dremel or get the Huma high flow probe it's about the same speed without the headache. The port on the Huma probe is basically size of the TP so what are we gaining here? Even the pin probe only adds 5-10fps over the factory probe so this adds 6-11 fps for 600 dollars plus another 250 for backbone, that's almost half the price of the impact and my impact already shot sub MOA consistently before the backbone upgrade.
This is exactly what I told Bigragu the other day when we were texting. The only thing you left out was their claim about consistency. If nothing changes in the chamber, doesn’t matter what kind of probe you use, you could even use a rock, the gun will be consistent. So in the end it’s about FPS. Spend $600 or turn up your reg 5 bar. It’s a very innovative product but unless it produces an extra 50fps for me, it’s pretty much just a cool trinket.
Firstly, I can't fault anyone for theorizing as our efforts have been in production instead of marketing/videos and whatnot.
BUT to address the value proposition let's make sure we are taking in all factors. If you are a person that only cares about 1 arbitrary thing, maybe this isn't for you.
In no particular order:
1. it comes with a more robust KLS-3. So there's $250-377 depending on version. Also take into account it is a more robust kls-3 as it is properly integrated with the rifle and is more stable.
2. comes with a bag rider. Depending on what company you're going with that's $50 or so. Comes with one out of the box.
3. Pin probes and carved out pellet probes are not good for every projectile. For example you cannot seat a pellet as deep with a pin probe as you can with a pellet probe, you cant seat a slug with a boat tail as deep as with a pin probe. This isn't absolute, but the geometry of the back of the projectile matters when selecting your probe. The flat surface of the L-tech probe can consistently seat any geometry. You also have the ability to custom shape the profile of the tip to match exactly with the projectile insuring a skirt isn't disformed while sliding through the mag.
4. full retraction of the probe opens up for more air flow. With 22 cal we are seeing 20-35fps increases. This allows you to either shoot faster, or conserve air by turning down hammers or reg pressures. DONT MAKE YOUR RIFLE WORK HARDER THAN IT NEEDS TO.
5. More reliability over pin probes. I bend mine all the time. Especially during competitions when it is critical. It is impossible to bend the L-tech probe with how thick it is.
I'm not going to relist everything stated on the product page, so insert that here...
When taking into account the KLS-3, L-tech comes out to be about $200.
Unfortunately the Impact's rear is not really designed to receive an L-tech probe without replacing the 2 side plates. It can be done with the oem side plates, BUT it isn't optimal thus we went with doing it the right way.
Here are some pictures of the probe carrier, notice the box way guide.
In conclusion, it is getting hard to take some of these arguments seriously when there doesn't seem to be too much push back for something like a $250 backbone that yields negligible accuracy gains; but heaven forbid a complex - original - mechanism that can increase FPS and consistency comes out... Quick everyone figure out ways to justify why they don't want to see innovative products come out that actually do something!
I sincerely apologize this product can't be 3d printed or that it wasn't farmed out to some random oversees shop and or that we are enforcing IP.
