Check the Atibal LPVO scope out, I have...

[Airgun-hobbyist]

After fiddling around with various scope types and sizes for hunting I have sort of landed in the low power variable optics (LPVO) type of scope for it's size, solidness and weight savings. Having owned both a high-end Nightforce NX8 1-8 and a $60.00 eBay special as well, the attributes of the LPVO scopes should not be overlooked even without the large glass out front.

That being said, check out the Atibal LPVO's at Optics Planet. I have the SFP unit, with a FFP on the way because of how decent the thing is and the desire to range and holdover with the hash marks at any power. The only thing I don't like about the Atibal, or any LPVO, is the factory's longer parallax setting. For airgunner use and shooting at 50 yards and beyond it is great, but up close is not the best option due to parallax and needing to be fairly precise with the eye placement. But how often are we that close to any game animals anyways. Shooting paper is another story, and for those shooters a different scope type altogether.

https://www.opticsplanet.com/atibal-riflecope-x-1-10x30-ffp-mil-reticle-daylight-bright-illumination-ed-glass.html

 

[cmatera]

I had one but sent it back due to the 50yd parallax. Just wasn’t going to work for me.

 

[Airgun-hobbyist]

I had one but sent it back due to the 50yd parallax. Just wasn’t going to work for me.

The 100 parallax is definitely the deal breaker for accurate close range work. At long range it is a great scope.

 

[steve123]

What I've noticed with 1-8's and 1-10's that "don't have" adjustable parallax side focus is that with older eyes like myself and my friends have, above 4.5x, the diopter being set out for our old eyes will make the image blurry, the more the magnification the more blurry, or I can set the diopter in to make the image cleared up but then the reticle is blurry!

From now on I'm done trying these types of scopes that don't have adjustable parallax.

It weighs more, and it 2x on the bottom end, but the Athlon Helos G2 DMR 2-12x42 is my absolute number one choice right now, EXCEPTION of course being a March 1-10 DFP with adjustable parallax, but I'm not willing to spend that kind of money right now. That Helos is really a great scope not even considering its price which isn't much. 12x compared to 10X gives more usable magnification than it seems it would as well and I'm on 12x most of the time.

If March made the 1.5-15 in FFP with a decent tree reticle I'd probably buy one!

 

[Airgun-hobbyist]

What I've noticed with 1-8's and 1-10's that "don't have" adjustable parallax side focus is that with older eyes like myself and my friends have, above 4.5x, the diopter being set out for our old eyes will make the image blurry, the more the magnification the more blurry, or I can set the diopter in to make the image cleared up but then the reticle is blurry!

From now on I'm done trying these types of scopes that don't have adjustable parallax.

It weighs more, and it 2x on the bottom end, but the Athlon Helos G2 DMR 2-12x42 is my absolute number one choice right now, EXCEPTION of course being a March 1-10 DFP with adjustable parallax, but I'm not willing to spend that kind of money right now. That Helos is really a great scope not even considering it price which isn't much. 12x compared to 10X gives more usable magnification than it seems it would as well and I'm on 12x most of the time.

If March made the 1.5-15 in FFP with a decent tree reticle I'd probably buy one!

Scope's with side parallax settings need to be adjusted constantly, which is not conducive to most hunting scenarios. A closer fixed parallax setting would be the thing that I would like to see change on all of the LPVO scopes. Most are set to 100 yards and beyond, but a 50 yard setting would suit most people's needs both for hunting and target work. At that range using lower magnification would bring everything into focus. 

That Athlon Helos G2 DMR 2-12×42 has near perfect specs in a small and light scope, along with being affordable. I am buying one for the new AEA 45 Challenger to see how it works out. If I have to fiddle with the parallax setting too much I'll change it out.

 

[Scouty]

What I've noticed with 1-8's and 1-10's that "don't have" adjustable parallax side focus is that with older eyes like myself and my friends have, above 4.5x, the diopter being set out for our old eyes will make the image blurry, the more the magnification the more blurry, or I can set the diopter in to make the image cleared up but then the reticle is blurry!

From now on I'm done trying these types of scopes that don't have adjustable parallax.

Scope's with side parallax settings need to be adjusted constantly, which is not conducive to most hunting scenarios. A closer fixed parallax setting would be the thing that I would like to see change on all of the LPVO scopes. Most are set to 100 yards and beyond, but a 50 yard setting would suit most people's needs both for hunting and target work. At that range using lower magnification would bring everything into focus. 

That Athlon Helos G2 DMR 2-12×42 has near perfect specs in a small and light scope, along with being affordable. I am buying one for the new AEA 45 Challenger to see how it works out. If I have to fiddle with the parallax setting too much I'll change it out.

Not necessarily. I have a Styrka 1-6x24 with side parallax and with that small objective lens it's very easy to leave it set at some intermediate distance and I barely notice it in a hunting situation.

I believe the Atibal has a larger objective lens and I imagine at 10x it would be more fussy. Still, side focus would be nice. If one doesn't want to adjust just pick a setting and leave it for the situation at hand.

I was waiting for my kid yesterday and spent some time reading a thread on Sniper's Hide. Seems like a lot of those guys are warming up to the idea of side parallax on 1-10 scopes. I hope it becomes more common. The Athlon 1-4 and the Styrka are the only affordable options I know of.

 

[steve123]

What I've noticed with 1-8's and 1-10's that "don't have" adjustable parallax side focus is that with older eyes like myself and my friends have, above 4.5x, the diopter being set out for our old eyes will make the image blurry, the more the magnification the more blurry, or I can set the diopter in to make the image cleared up but then the reticle is blurry!

From now on I'm done trying these types of scopes that don't have adjustable parallax.

It weighs more, and it 2x on the bottom end, but the Athlon Helos G2 DMR 2-12x42 is my absolute number one choice right now, EXCEPTION of course being a March 1-10 DFP with adjustable parallax, but I'm not willing to spend that kind of money right now. That Helos is really a great scope not even considering it price which isn't much. 12x compared to 10X gives more usable magnification than it seems it would as well and I'm on 12x most of the time.

If March made the 1.5-15 in FFP with a decent tree reticle I'd probably buy one!

Scope's with side parallax settings need to be adjusted constantly, which is not conducive to most hunting scenarios. A closer fixed parallax setting would be the thing that I would like to see change on all of the LPVO scopes. Most are set to 100 yards and beyond, but a 50 yard setting would suit most people's needs both for hunting and target work. At that range using lower magnification would bring everything into focus. 

That Athlon Helos G2 DMR 2-12×42 has near perfect specs in a small and light scope, along with being affordable. I am buying one for the new AEA 45 Challenger to see how it works out. If I have to fiddle with the parallax setting too much I'll change it out.

The way it goes is that the higher the magnification the more the parallax must be adjusted for the image to be focused, as well as how close the object is, making this aspect of refocusing more critical. I'm not referring to dialing out all the parallax error right now because that requires more stringent adjustment of the diopter in conjunction with the side focus.

So you can get away with lower magnification by setting the side focus at the anticipated distance thus making an acceptable compromise for most hunting situations. Then making any appropriate focus adjustments when time allows.

So in the 1-8 to 1-10 even with 50Y fixed parallax there would be times when not having versatility would become annoying very quickly on higher magnification. And I think the older the eyes the more annoying.

If I was just wanting to shoot closer in I'd settle for irons or a red dot sight but I by far desire higher magnification for small targets and distance so basically I want a clean image on 10x at any distance but 12x is just enough more to be appreciated.

One specific example was shooting flies at 10Y with friends. Having the Helos G2 2-12 on 6x the FOV was huge so I could see the whole area on the table plus make out the reticle easy and cleanly.

Or with it on my AR hitting a 1' plate at 500Y just as well while enjoying a parallax free crisp clean reticle and image.

Have and not need vs need but not have - VERSATILITY is where it's at!!!!!!!