Chrony # and tune of your 80 .25 please

Kind of thinking about selling my HW35E walnut or HW77K .22 green laminate for a HW80 .25. Get it tuned up super smooth and button the piston.
Krale or get on AOA waiting list?
I'm a big fan of Krale but warrantee issues are easier solved with AoA. I'm pretty handy so I roll the dice with Krale. If you're all thumbs you're better off with AoA
 
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What good is a warranty on a springer if you know how to tune one?
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BTW Buttons aren't really necessary. It looks and sounds trick but the rewards just aren't worth the effort. Any effort if you ask me.
I understand but once I shot a finely tined & piston centered piston, the shot cycle is well worth it.
I usually have John Thomas, John in PA tune them. There’s stick on delrin & counter sunk. Not sure who’s doing what nowadays.
 
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I understand but once I shot a finely tined & piston centered piston, the shot cycle is well worth it.
I usually have John Thomas, John in PA tune them. There’s stick on delrin & counter sunk. Not sure who’s doing what nowadays.
John Thomas in PA is excellent. I didn't mean to sound presumptuous. The proper way is to counter sink them and and lathe turn them to the radius of the tube. It's a lot of work when done right. IMO the juice isn't worth the squeeze. There's very little friction on the tail of the piston and the seal is flexible enough to seal fine without them. There's just not a lot to be gained. My guns run usually single digit extreme spreads on ten shot strings without them.

As for AGR and Jlowe. Lots of people can tune guns. I'm not claiming to be anything special. My point was there's defects that tuning doesn't take care of. I'm not here to start arguments or make a name for myself. Tuning guns is something I do for beer money and only for people I like. There's a few people here that I have tuned guns for and so far no complaints.

If you want to pick fights over bb guns, you win, I lose. I'm out.
 
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I have a HW80k .25. Just recently put a Vortek spring + piston seal. May be 20 rounds through. Cronied at 585 fps. It was a plus spring, I found too hard to cock, so
I have a HW80k .25. Just recently put a Vortek spring + piston seal. May be 20 rounds through. Cronied at 585 fps. It was a plus spring, I found too hard to cock, so 1 coil removed. Crow
What pellet were you using?
 
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I have a HW80k .25. Just recently put a Vortek spring + piston seal. May be 20 rounds through. Cronied at 585 fps. It was a plus spring, I found too hard to cock, so 1 coil removed. Crow
Dang. That seems pretty slow. What you spitting? H&N FTT 20.14 or JSB 25.43?
I think you know I have a perfect RWS 52 .25 and it’s 20 some years old. Sending 20.14 FTT around 640fps. John in PA stated that when he tuned it it was sending them around 700fps.
I’m more concerned about smooth and precision placement. I can keep them under 1” at 70 -75 with 20.14. I love it but I for some reason prefer break barrels over side lever. Unless it’s the FWB300S lol.
If the HW80 can send 20.14 FTT at 640fps, it’s for me.
 
I understand but once I shot a finely tined & piston centered piston, the shot cycle is well worth it.
I usually have John Thomas, John in PA tune them. There’s stick on delrin & counter sunk. Not sure who’s doing what nowadays.
John Thomas in PA is excellent. I didn't mean to sound presumptuous. The proper way is to counter sink them and and lathe turn them to the radius of the tube. It's a lot of work when done right. IMO the juice isn't worth the squeeze. There's very little friction on the tail of the piston and the seal is flexible enough to seal fine without them. There's just not a lot to be gained. My guns run usually single digit extreme spreads on ten shot strings without them.

As for AGR and Jlowe. Lots of people can tune guns. I'm not claiming to be anything special. My point was there's defects that tuning doesn't take care of. I'm not here to start arguments or make a name for myself. Tuning guns is something I do for beer money and only for people I like. There's a few people here that I have tuned guns for and so far no complaints.

If you want to pick fights over bb guns, you win, I lose. I'm out.

What countersink?? The holes aren't countersunk. Not actually that hard to index the holes and drill for buttons with an end mill. If you have a milling machine you probably have a spin indexer. A collet block would work. Then fit to the bore on the lathe. Delrin machines like butter.
I have mills and lathes but I bet I could do a pretty good job with a drill press and finish the buttons by hand with a file.
I think a lot of guys could likely do it if they tried. If you're capable of precision work
 
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