Classified sales and PayPal

[rangur1]

Not trying to be a cranky SOB, but I have done plenty of sales on the members classified section. I n regarding PayPal F&F or goods. Yes , it’s only 3.5 percent BUT , many prospective buyers flinch at the higher price if I incorporate it. I , for one, hate specifying it on the sale. So “ why don’t you just make it any PayPal?” Well , most often I am getting reamed on the resale price, then minus shipping. So like many others, I’m just trying to cut the losses as much as possible. But from now on , I will list price as goods and services with a lower F&F option if desired. Thoughts? 

 

[Matt247365]

Paypal sent!

 

[dens228]

I say I always look at total cost including shipping and Paypal fees when selling or buying.

If I'm buying and the TOTAL is more than I want to spend I don't buy it, if I'm selling and the total offer is less than I want to clear I don't sell it. 

It doesn't matter to me one tiny bit how that total is reached.

 

[Ezana4CE]

As @dens228 stated I look at total cost as well. If an item is outside of my budget after factoring in shipping and fees I may make an offer. The seller can accept it or decline. No hard feelings either way so long as all are respectful in the process. It seems that a significant portion of consumers seem responsive to knowing the total cost up front. Offering a lower alternative (F&F) may be an attractive selling point after posting the higher total. 

 

[ChRiSiS]

 I have come full circle on this. At first I used to always look for the F&F option. Nowadays I don't really care much, and frankly probably prefer just a straight up PayPal price. I now prefer to only use the F&F option for people with whom I have already done business. In most instances the PayPal fees simply aren't high enough to be worth worrying about. It's maybe $30 on a $1000 item. Rarely does my buy/no buy option come down to $30 buck on a $1000 item.

Now, sometimes I see people asking for an extra 5% for PayPal G&S. Frankly when I see this type of nonsense I probably just won't do the deal.

Shipping is a little different, depending on the item. If its a small or easily shipped item then just include it in the price. For the bigger/more expensive items like say, an Impact and any higher end air rifle the shipping cost can be significant. To ship an Impact across the country (USA) can easily be $100. I am always happy when buying to see one all-in price, but I understand when someone wants to split shipping, or, depending on the price, to have me pay shipping. Either way, i am going to do just what Ezana4CE said, and look at the total price before I make a deal and payment.

Chris

 

[Deacon_Blues]

Everyone is different. What I know is that I would not, could not, and will not sell something to another that I would not buy myself.

I have bought, and sold, airguns that cost many $1000.00’s of US dollars via boards. To date, I have never had a problem. I choose to include PayPal fees in my sales, for my own peace of mind.

Really? It comes down to who you are and how you were raised. The scammers scam, because that is who they are and who they were raised to be.

 

[AirNGasman]

I'm happy to have the PayPal payment option, so (consequently) think it's foolish to deny them their reasonable fees on false pretenses to save a little pocket-change. By the way, the 'Friends and Family' cheap-ass option removes any and all possibility of any kind of recourse for all manner of bad things than can and do happen with long-distance airgun sales. 

However it is quite entertaining to read of such horror stories from those whose highest priority is saving as buck (by denying PayPal their fees).

 

[1BadDart]

I like Pay Pal and will not buy from someone who will only take F&F or wants to add more than the 3.5%

 

[dasman]

And actually, without sounding like a tighta$$, 3% covers the fees. No more needed.

 

[rangur1]

Ok , everyone makes valid and mostly obvious points. Where I went off course was this option as a seller. I stand behind whatever I list. My point was more to the buyers browsing past my listing for those few extra bucks. So I feel compelled to edge it down to effectively compete with the selling trend. 

 

[MadKatt]

Used PayPal since they started don’t really like them but it’s a pretty safe bet which is why I never ask for F&F option nor will I buy anything that requires it. I go with how dens228 reaches his decision all about the end price.

 

[AirNGasman]

I get around asking a reasonable ("high") price for a used airgun by- 1) Writing ads in correct English, with proper spelling, grammar, punctuation, sentencing, paragraphing, etc., 2) Including all pertinent information, devoid of bullpoop, 3) Posting excellent photos rather than crap, 4) Including excellent photos of the guns impressive groups (plural), 5) Including the statement (when applicable) "No problems or issues of any kind, functional or cosmetic", 6) Including "Feel free to call me with questions or for more information", 7) Putting the price near the end of the ad, and 8) Making it EASY for a buyer to buy, by posting the bottom-line price (including PP 'Goods and Services' fees and CONUS shipping). 

These techniques not only add value to the product and comfort any prospects bright enough to recognize the added value, but screen out buyers I prefer to not do business with. 

Sellers and buyers with something(s) to hide should avoid these techniques, and consider using the PayPal 'Friends and Family' payment option.

 

[JohnnyRambles]

 For those that sell a fair amount using Paypal, one big difference to note about F&F Paypal over regular Paypal payments is that F&F is not included in your 1099K. Might save some a bit a of a headache at tax time. 

 

[Cannonball]

I just factor the PayPal in with the price, it’s not that much and I personally don’t like using F&F myself on a purchase unless it’s something inexpensive or I know the person very well. I also try to include shipping in the price unless it’s an air rifle as the shipping cost could vary depending on where it’s going. 

 

[EddieP0022]

everyone finds a way to make money

 

[boscoebrea]

I love PayPal,I have over 1600 transactions through them and have never had a problem and yes 3% is fair ,if you do not think so do not buy the item......think of the 3-4% as insurance.

 

[FW-190]

I've bought airgun on paypal with paying the 3.5% to seller. It came in had problems, seller said he would make it right, then he didn't. Got tired dealing with him and said I wanted money back and seller balked. On ebay, it isn't a problem. On paypal it is. It took me 3 months, countless emails, phone calls etc. To top it off, I had to have a gunsmith verify that the gun had problems and he had to write a letter stating so, and furnish it to paypal. I had to pay the gunsmith and paypal didn't reimburse that either.

You would think when it was for purchase and you had stated in the original payment it was for merchandise they would honor it and give you your money back.

 

[CharlieF]

That works fine. FF for those who prefer and higher price for those who don’t. 

 

[pdxFrank]

It's also against Paypal's user agreement to up-charge. They'd have a field-day here. All that money tied up for weeks. :/

 

[BlackICE]

I've bought airgun on paypal with paying the 3.5% to seller. It came in had problems, seller said he would make it right, then he didn't. Got tired dealing with him and said I wanted money back and seller balked. On ebay, it isn't a problem. On paypal it is. It took me 3 months, countless emails, phone calls etc. To top it off, I had to have a gunsmith verify that the gun had problems and he had to write a letter stating so, and furnish it to paypal. I had to pay the gunsmith and paypal didn't reimburse that either.

You would think when it was for purchase and you had stated in the original payment it was for merchandise they would honor it and give you your money back.

Paypal gives ZERO protection against a mis-delivered package. I had a package sent by Fedex that claimed it was delivered, but I didn't receive it. Called Fedex they said their records shows it was delivered, but the only sender not buyer can file a claim. The seller refused to file a claim. Paypal refused a refund. My lost. More than 6 months later the packaged arrived.

I will never use Paypal for large purchases using any delivery service again!