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[dgeesaman]

Just because I want to sell it does not mean I don't want to to use it. I, myself have a rotation of guns, and I use them until I don't. Most times, the guns are with me while I am working, they still function perfectly, I just don't want them anymore, so I take a picture of it while in use.

So is it for sale or not? I hadn’t thought about it before but it sounds like tire kicking can go both ways now.

While wear and tear is not huge with airguns it’s not zero. Unless you’re updating the pictures, it’s a lie to say the photos represent what is actually for sale.

 

[jarmstrong]

learn to CROP!!! classifies not so much ,,, but in general and pcp forums
I dislike large downloads, screen shots and photos,,, that take a lot of vertical space to view,, I usually just hit the back button and ignore the space hogs

I don't care to view your 'oversized',,, shot string or holy targets,, I getz finger cramps from scrolling

 

[JaceSpace1369]

So is it for sale or not? I hadn’t thought about it before but it sounds like tire kicking can go both ways now.

While wear and tear is not huge with airguns it’s not zero. Unless you’re updating the pictures, it’s a lie to say the photos represent what is actually for sale.

If it shows, for sale, it's for sale. It is mine until sold, so I can do with it what I please until it is sold otherwise. If you're referring to me as a tire kicker go look at my feedback.

You're telling me that every time someone uses their gun they put some kind of wear and tear on the gun? Every time you use the gun, do you you put a new scratch, scuff, or dent?

No, I didn't think so, and neither do I, because I take as much care of my gear whether I want to get rid of it or not. And I make sure to show whatever imperfections are on the gun, both new and old so no one gets blindsided or screwed over.

 

[whatsights]

I too am an old guy. My land line doesn't take pictures.

 

[dgeesaman]

If it shows, for sale, it's for sale. It is mine until sold, so I can do with it what I please until it is sold otherwise. If you're referring to me as a tire kicker go look at my feedback.

You're telling me that every time someone uses their gun they put some kind of wear and tear on the gun? Every time you use the gun, do you you put a new scratch, scuff, or dent?

No, I didn't think so, and neither do I, because I take as much care of my gear whether I want to get rid of it or not. And I make sure to show whatever imperfections are on the gun, both new and old so no one gets blindsided or screwed over.

While the issue isn't quite as bad as with powderburners, the answer is yes. Springs can break, seals wear, o-rings develop leaks and/or blow out. Anytime you use or handle or transport an item, you put wear on it and take a chance of damage. That's been my experience and unless you're taking it out to demo or let a prospective buyer test it, that is taking risks that don't make sense to me.

If your item doesn't arrive exactly how the buyer expects it, which will be based on photos and details from the original ad, then you should bear that responsibility. I suppose if you just take it out to the back porch and fire some shots, it's a small risk. But I would tend to keep it stored securely unless it's been listed for months.

So once you have an agreement with a buyer and a deal is in progress - do you stop shooting it?

David

 

[JaceSpace1369]

While the issue isn't quite as bad as with powderburners, the answer is yes. Springs can break, seals wear, o-rings develop leaks and/or blow out. Anytime you use or handle or transport an item, you put wear on it and take a chance of damage. That's been my experience and unless you're taking it out to demo or let a prospective buyer test it, that is taking risks that don't make sense to me.

If your item doesn't arrive exactly how the buyer expects it, which will be based on photos and details from the original ad, then you should bear that responsibility. I suppose if you just take it out to the back porch and fire some shots, it's a small risk. But I would tend to keep it stored securely unless it's been listed for months.

So once you have an agreement with a buyer and a deal is in progress - do you stop shooting it?

David

Yes, once I have an agreement with the buyer I no longer use it and make sure it's safely stored. Depending on the time of day if I am home, I will make sure to ship before 11am so it goes out immediately, or the very next morning if I am already out and about working. My guns are either in a gunbag or a safe, and if for whatever reason whoever buy it wants to return it to me or has an issue with it I make sure to do whatever I can to to help, even if that means refunding them the money and getting the gun back. I'll even cover the cost to ship the gun back.

Not every gun I list gets continuously used, but a lot of guns that I list at the time of posting were just used, and likely get used until I head home to put them away. Unless the picture shows that it's inside a house or building, in which case it's not being used afterwards.

 

[Tylerdefrese]

In my mind it seems deceiving to list something for sale while knowing you will continue to use it, much like @dgeesaman had said, anything can go wrong with literally one pull of the trigger.

I feel like what is for sale should be focused on in your photos, and if you don't intend to sell something then simply take it off when taking your pictures. Again, 4 screws at most, and you can remount in a very repeatable location if needed.

 

[JaceSpace1369]

In my mind it seems deceiving to list something for sale while knowing you will continue to use it, much like @dgeesaman had said, anything can go wrong with literally one pull of the trigger.

I feel like what is for sale should be focused on in your photos, and if you don't intend to sell something then simply take it off when taking your pictures. Again, 4 screws at most, and you can remount in a very repeatable location if needed.

Yes, anything can go wrong. But if anything goes wrong, then you simply do take down the post. At that point, it's just a matter of integrity, regardless of whether you use it or not.

On one hand I understand that if the item for sale is the gun.Then the gun should be the main focus in the pictures.

On the other hand it's kind of ridiculous to say that one needs to remove everything else from the gun that isn't listed when you get a description of what is and is not included before you even get to see the pictures. Much less that it should be a rule.

 

[dgeesaman]

On the other hand it's kind of ridiculous to say that one needs to remove everything else from the gun that isn't listed when you get a description of what is and is not included before you even get to see the pictures. Much less that it should be a rule.

I'm glad you don't shoot a gun that's in the process of a deal. As a buyer that would be a deal-breaker for me. (I would, on the other hand, be happy if the seller runs a few shots over the chronograph right before boxing it up - but that to me is a different activity for a different purpose).

My first thought about removing items not part of the sale was 'that's total overkill'. But the last airgun I bought did turn out to have a scope ring loose on the rail, which caused wear in the bluing. I suspect it was that way when I bought it, but since I discovered it a full tin of pellets after I took receipt I couldn't consider it related to the sale. But it does prove that accessories can hide important information for a buyer and seller.

So I think it's better to remove scope rails, accessory rails, etc etc to expose damage hiding underneath. But I don't think that needs to be a rule.

 

[Tylerdefrese]

Yes, anything can go wrong. But if anything goes wrong, then you simply do take down the post. At that point, it's just a matter of integrity, regardless of whether you use it or not.

On one hand I understand that if the item for sale is the gun.Then the gun should be the main focus in the pictures.

On the other hand it's kind of ridiculous to say that one needs to remove everything else from the gun that isn't listed when you get a description of what is and is not included before you even get to see the pictures. Much less that it should be a rule.

Yeah just kind of a matter of opinion at that point I guess. I feel like for the sake of simplicity just show what you intend to sell. On the other hand, I do obviously read through a listing. But at the end of the listing I want to see whats being offered, not what’s being offered plus $1000 in upgrades.

 

[JaceSpace1369]

I'm glad you don't shoot a gun that's in the process of a deal. As a buyer that would be a deal-breaker for me. (I would, on the other hand, be happy if the seller runs a few shots over the chronograph right before boxing it up - but that to me is a different activity for a different purpose).

My first thought about removing items not part of the sale was 'that's total overkill'. But the last airgun I bought did turn out to have a scope ring loose on the rail, which caused wear in the bluing. I suspect it was that way when I bought it, but since I discovered it a full tin of pellets after I took receipt I couldn't consider it related to the sale. But it does prove that accessories can hide important information for a buyer and seller.

So I think it's better to remove scope rails, accessory rails, etc etc to expose damage hiding underneath. But I don't think that needs to be a rule.

On that I will agree. I myself, am very transparent with my sales. If there are nicks, dings, or scratches I will show them and state that the gun has use. Like I said, prior that's a matter of integrity, and I like having good feedback, so I'm not gonna screw my buyer or trader over.

Yeah just kind of a matter of opinion at that point I guess. I feel like for the sake of simplicity just show what you intend to sell. On the other hand, I do obviously read through a listing. But at the end of the listing I want to see whats being offered, not what’s being offered plus $1000 in upgrades.

Agreed at that point, it is a matter of opinion, I respect your opinion and I understand where you're coming from.

 

[Florida_Man]

As long as people cover their funky toes in the picture I’m fine. I equate the condition of your feet as a direct comparison of how you care for your rifle.

 

[UDABEGGER]

As long as people cover their funky toes in the picture I’m fine. I equate the condition of your feet as a direct comparison of how you care for your rifle.

Toes or shoes !

 

[WoodWelder]

As long as people cover their funky toes in the picture I’m fine. I equate the condition of your feet as a direct comparison of how you care for your rifle.

From now on I require pictures of their toes, if they're in good shape then the gun will most likely be cared for and in perfect working order?

 

[Scotay42]

The classifieds is not a store. It is all used items. USED can still be in the process of being USED. If you want new, go pay new price. If it is not as in the decription of the ad,then there is a reason to complain, otherwise none. Noone said , since it is for sale, it gets trashed, that is just dumb. A pcp in use is better off than one sitting. As for accessorries on an item that are not in the sale price, reading must be hard. People are too lazy to read ,is kinda rediculous.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Id rather @JaceSpace1369 continue to use an item on the classifieds than hand it over to the USPS to get it to me. Nothing I've found more harmful and risky to airguns than the USPS.