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Leshiy Classic .177. Two stage trigger mod, 450mm fast twist (1:14.6) unchoked AP barrel, peek poppet and lighter valve spring, peek striker, 160bar reg, 18 grain .1775 slugs at 920fps. Lotsa work in the setup but it “walks the walk” (very quietly)…
 
A pistol with a shoulder stock...really...a compact ? It's just a pistol with a...shoulder stock. Pistols by design are small.
I guess I'm wrong, I "assumed" the original poster was talking compact...rifles.

Mike
Yes, Mike, I do believe it’s a rifle. Don’t get caught up in the minutiae of a definition.

Overthinking is just as amusing as underthinking 👍🏻🇺🇸🫡
 
Yes, Mike, I do believe it’s a rifle. Don’t get caught up in the minutiae of a definition.

Overthinking is just as amusing as underthinking 👍🏻🇺🇸🫡
Details..."matter"..!
Glad I didn't think that way when I was working. I wouldn't have had a job very long !!

Pistols with stocks added, are...pistols with stocks, plan and simple.

Mike
 
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Leshiy Classic .177. Two stage trigger mod, 450mm fast twist (1:14.6) unchoked AP barrel, peek poppet and lighter valve spring, peek striker, 160bar reg, 18 grain .1775 slugs at 920fps. Lotsa work in the setup but it “walks the walk” (very quietly)…
Dammn! That's a hot set up my man!
 
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Details..."matter"..!
Glad I didn't think that way when I was working. I wouldn't have had a job very long !!

Pistols with stocks added, are...pistols with stocks, plan and simple.

Mike

If details matter to you, then you would know that "carbine" has become a rather loose term. It originally referred to shorter muskets, and that was that. Nowadays there are so many variants of pistols, rifles and anything in between, that the line has blurred significantly. In part due to marketing.

Yes, carbines are for the most part recognized as compact rifles. I.e. any rifle with a barrel lenght under 16 inches (shotguns not included). But you also have designated pistol-caliber carbines (PCCs), which already add to the confusion. It's the manufacturers/marketeers who opted to use the term "carbine" or "pistol-carbine" when referring to removeable stocks and conversion kits for pistols. This goes way back, like with the Mauser for example:
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Even modern day PDW conversion kits for glocks etc still use the term carbine on various occasions:
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Lastly, you can't always apply firearm logic to airguns. There is no such thing as "rifle ammo" and "pistol ammo" in the airgun world. A .22 air pistol will shoot the exact same pellets and slugs as a .22 air rifle. So I hope you can see why people use the term rather loosely here. Definitions change/evolve over time, that's how language works.
 
I definitely understand both sides of the carbine or pistol with a stock thing. Advertising or talking about a gun and constantly referring to it as a pistol with a stock is cumbersome. Much simpler to say carbine conversion. But when I go looking for a carbine to buy, I look for a short rifle, not a pistol with a stock attached. I still have one pistol with a stock. A 2240 bottle gun with a 14” barrel. I don’t think I ever called it a carbine or a pistol. Maybe just a very accurate, high shot count mess of a gun.
 
If details matter to you, then you would know that "carbine" has become a rather loose term. It originally referred to shorter muskets, and that was that. Nowadays there are so many variants of pistols, rifles and anything in between, that the line has blurred significantly. In part due to marketing.

Yes, carbines are for the most part recognized as compact rifles. I.e. any rifle with a barrel lenght under 16 inches (shotguns not included). But you also have designated pistol-caliber carbines (PCCs), which already add to the confusion. It's the manufacturers/marketeers who opted to use the term "carbine" or "pistol-carbine" when referring to removeable stocks and conversion kits for pistols. This goes way back, like with the Mauser for example:
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Even modern day PDW conversion kits for glocks etc still use the term carbine on various occasions:
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Lastly, you can't always apply firearm logic to airguns. There is no such thing as "rifle ammo" and "pistol ammo" in the airgun world. A .22 air pistol will shoot the exact same pellets and slugs as a .22 air rifle. So I hope you can see why people use the term rather loosely here. Definitions change/evolve over time, that's how language works.
A modern day add (with...pistols), means little about, time and jelly doughnuts ! Hell, the first (middle) modern add...they can't even spell..."carbine" !!! THAT...makes it accurate.
And "one" old add...well yeah...you found it !

Mike
 
is my little HW44 still a pistol when I removed the pistol grip and install the action in a carbine'ize stock? center gun,, HW110 FAC on left and Kozak COMPACT on right,,, I really don't care what folks call it,,, it is a hoot to shoot, short light and accurate, handles the 20 to 35 yd pesting chores, well, oh ya I put the HW carbine barrel on it also,, 22 cal of course,,, sorry, I forgot to include my feet in the photo, but it is blurry:ROFLMAO:
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A modern day add (with...pistols), means little about, time and jelly doughnuts ! Hell, the first (middle) modern add...they can't even spell..."carbine" !!! THAT...makes it accurate.
And "one" old add...well yeah...you found it !

Mike
The middle one is from a foreign website, not an American one. Hence the different spelling ;)
 
If details matter to you, then you would know that "carbine" has become a rather loose term. It originally referred to shorter muskets, and that was that. Nowadays there are so many variants of pistols, rifles and anything in between, that the line has blurred significantly. In part due to marketing.

Yes, carbines are for the most part recognized as compact rifles. I.e. any rifle with a barrel lenght under 16 inches (shotguns not included). But you also have designated pistol-caliber carbines (PCCs), which already add to the confusion. It's the manufacturers/marketeers who opted to use the term "carbine" or "pistol-carbine" when referring to removeable stocks and conversion kits for pistols. This goes way back, like with the Mauser for example:
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Even modern day PDW conversion kits for glocks etc still use the term carbine on various occasions:
View attachment 527412View attachment 527410

Lastly, you can't always apply firearm logic to airguns. There is no such thing as "rifle ammo" and "pistol ammo" in the airgun world. A .22 air pistol will shoot the exact same pellets and slugs as a .22 air rifle. So I hope you can see why people use the term rather loosely here. Definitions change/evolve over time, that's how language works.
The purpose of a carbine is to give you 10 moa groups at 100m, offhand, in a lightweight package.
So the Artillery Lugers and the stocked Mousers do fit it, but the modern pistol conversions probably don't, because they have tilting barrels and aren't actually very inherently accurate even with a stock.
 
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Mike wants to argue. So be it.

Realistically … if you are “ shouldering “ the device it’s a rifle ….. I’m pretty sure most every shooter would agree.

We get it Mike. You’re retired with not much to do but bitch about things.
Mike if you have a spouse or dog maybe a little hug from them would make you feel better. ?
I respect you since you are a senior member but cmon man.
Instead of Frankenstein maybe you could channel the “ Young Frankenstein” character of Peter Boyle.
He was funny and cranky

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