Compressor vs Carbon Tank

I am getting older and carrying a scuba tank around is just not comfortable anymore. I am going to start shooting again after about a ten year absence. I see they now have small portable compressors available that could possibly be used onsite. For those who have them are they good enough to be used alone are should I just go ahead and buy one of the newer carbon fiber tanks? If the tank is the way to go then I can read the previous threads to decide on which one.
I shoot a CZ 200 with a scope. It has the removeable gas cylinder. Pic attached

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Welcome back to the airgunning world! Most of us on this forum are informative and respectful so I’m sure you will get more replies that are helpful. I personally have a compressor and a carbon fiber bottle but most of my shooting is from a bench rather than on the go through the woods. For you I might suggest a portable compressor that’ll accept ac or 12 volt plus a small carbon fiber bottle. Again, welcome back.
 
Since the cylinder is removable, have you thought about just getting a second one. Has the gun been hyped up? My only experience with the cz200 was in 10 meter shooting, and they seemed to get a lot of shots per fill, couldn’t imagine needing more than a spare cylinder for most outings with the standard setup.

If you do need more air, a small bottle will probably work well enough, assuming you can get it filled to 4k psi or a little more. Should provide quite a few fills while in the field.
 
Welcome back to the airgunning world! Most of us on this forum are informative and respectful so I’m sure you will get more replies that are helpful. I personally have a compressor and a carbon fiber bottle but most of my shooting is from a bench rather than on the go through the woods. For you I might suggest a portable compressor that’ll accept ac or 12 volt plus a small carbon fiber bottle. Again, welcome back.
Thank you for the reply. Most of my shots are from a bench either at home are at friends houses. However, we do hunt for rats as the need arises usually near a Silo or barn. I get very good accuarracy update to about 40 shots. 40-50 I lose my groups and after that it falls off. The gas cartridge holds about 180 bars when full. I like the idea of a 12v compressor with a smaller bottle. I could just top off the bottle at my truck. We usually shoot about 200 to 300 shots when we get together. The scuba tank has just gotten to heavy to carry. I really appreciate your input. Thanks
 
Since the cylinder is removable, have you thought about just getting a second one. Has the gun been hyped up? My only experience with the cz200 was in 10 meter shooting, and they seemed to get a lot of shots per fill, couldn’t imagine needing more than a spare cylinder for most outings with the standard setup.

If you do need more air, a small bottle will probably work well enough, assuming you can get it filled to 4k psi or a little more. Should provide quite a few fills while in the field.
My CZ 200 is extremely accurate up to about 40 shots on a good day the groups are about a dime at most on a bad day about a quarter. I did think about a second cylinder but I would still need to refill to keep the accuracy up. Thanks for the input, i guess my next step is to learn about the different sizes of bottles. I like the idea of only having to carry a small bottle.
 
Come on man, what are your needs!
How many shots to a refill and from what pressure to what pressure do you need?
Hot many shots do you take in an outing?

Throw the dog a bone!

Pics of your rifle says nothing.
I hope these answers help somewhat. I get a loss of accuracy at about 40 shots. I usually refill between 40-50 shots. The cartridge on the CZ 200 fills to about 180 bars (2610psi). I do not know the low end pressure because I usually refill when the accuracy falls off. We usually shoot between 200-300 shots per outing. I hope this helps. Thanks for the reply.
 
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Welcome back to the airgunning world! Most of us on this forum are informative and respectful so I’m sure you will get more replies that are helpful. I personally have a compressor and a carbon fiber bottle but most of my shooting is from a bench rather than on the go through the woods. For you I might suggest a portable compressor that’ll accept ac or 12 volt plus a small carbon fiber bottle. Again, welcome back.
What type of compressor do you have? Do you like it? What size bottle? How long approximately does it take to fill a bottle?
 
If you're leaning toward a portable compressor that works off a car battery, don't expect it to fill tanks without SERIOUSLY affecting its longevity. I would suggest a Yong Heng compressor & a CF tank. You can pick up a recently expired CF tank for fairly cheap & be able to top it off at home when it gets down to 3,000psi. IMHO that's the most efficient way to go. You'd also need to get a SCBA fill adapter (can be had off Ebay for around $50). EITHER type of compressor needs moisture filter.
 
Don’t know how much you’ve read or familiar with compressor ownership but it has it’s ups and downs, especially depending on the amount you budget for. The water cooled Yong Heng’s seem to be the most dependable of the smaller compressors. But they require cooling water which in the field is a little inconvenient. There are air cooled ones that seem to be half way decent. With any of the smaller, under $400, compressors you should be prepared or willing to do service work on it. You don’t have to be an aviation mechanic to do it but maybe have some aptitude.
If you budget a Bauer, Alkin or maybe a Coltri you’re going to get a lot more fills between service intervals but they aren’t as portable.
Also, the smaller compressors are meant more for 480, 500 or 700cc gun mounted bottles but some people do fill the large carbon fibers with good results, it just takes a while.
Now, being you have a dive shop nearby get easily get fills. Being you had a scuba tank you got fills on you are probably aware of yearly tank inspections and 5 year hydro test cycles. A carbon fiber will have the same requirements, hydro might be a bit more expensive, possibly the fill too.
Those are a couple factors to consider. Depending on how often you shoot you might be able to get by with one, maybe two 74 or 98cf carbon fiber tanks. But you’ll need to crunch numbers to make a decision.
I have an Alkin and two 74cf carbon fibers and those two carbon fibers will keep me shooting for a long time.
 
If you're leaning toward a portable compressor that works off a car battery, don't expect it to fill tanks without SERIOUSLY affecting its longevity. I would suggest a Yong Heng compressor & a CF tank. You can pick up a recently expired CF tank for fairly cheap & be able to top it off at home when it gets down to 3,000psi. IMHO that's the most efficient way to go. You'd also need to get a SCBA fill adapter (can be had off Ebay for around $50). EITHER type of compressor needs moisture filter.
Thanks for the heads up about 12v. I had not considered that being an issue. I do like the idea of not having to deal with the scuba shop. I also like the idea of being able to fill it at home.
 
Welcome to the forums and back into the hobby. A reasonable solution could be the Yong Heng for a home base filling unit and a smaller CF tank that would be a lot more portable for range work.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-100-cu-in-carbon-fiber-tank?a=8955
The YH can fill a small 100 cubic inch tank piece of cake and that should be enough air for 7-8 gun fills of your CZ200 in the field. Regards, Badger
 
Don’t know how much you’ve read or familiar with compressor ownership but it has it’s ups and downs, especially depending on the amount you budget for. The water cooled Yong Heng’s seem to be the most dependable of the smaller compressors. But they require cooling water which in the field is a little inconvenient. There are air cooled ones that seem to be half way decent. With any of the smaller, under $400, compressors you should be prepared or willing to do service work on it. You don’t have to be an aviation mechanic to do it but maybe have some aptitude.
If you budget a Bauer, Alkin or maybe a Coltri you’re going to get a lot more fills between service intervals but they aren’t as portable.
Also, the smaller compressors are meant more for 480, 500 or 700cc gun mounted bottles but some people do fill the large carbon fibers with good results, it just takes a while.
Now, being you have a dive shop nearby get easily get fills. Being you had a scuba tank you got fills on you are probably aware of yearly tank inspections and 5 year hydro test cycles. A carbon fiber will have the same requirements, hydro might be a bit more expensive, possibly the fill too.
Those are a couple factors to consider. Depending on how often you shoot you might be able to get by with one, maybe two 74 or 98cf carbon fiber tanks. But you’ll need to crunch numbers to make a decision.
I have an Alkin and two 74cf carbon fibers and those two carbon fibers will keep me shooting for a long time.
Thanks for the info on compressors. This type of compressor is totally new to me.
Welcome to the forums and back into the hobby. A reasonable solution could be the Yong Heng for a home base filling unit and a smaller CF tank that would be a lot more portable for range work.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-100-cu-in-carbon-fiber-tank?a=8955
The YH can fill a small 100 cubic inch tank piece of cake and that should be enough air for 7-8 gun fills of your CZ200 in the field. Regards, Badger
I am beginning to think that the home base unit and a CF tank to take with me is the way I am headed. 7-8 refills is exactly what I need. Thanks for taking the time to help steer me in the right direction.
 
The one I use ---> TOAUTO PRO PCP Pump Air Compressor Auto-Stop 30Mpa 12V/110V/220V High Pressure I paid $338 now on sale for $334.39
Which I use to slowly and in 8 minute intervals to fill this tank I was lucky to find on eBay 2006 MSA Firefighter SCBA Cylinder H-30 Compressed Air Tank 4500 PSI with a recent (by recent I mean 2019) Hydro test good until 2024 for around $75.00 from his email offer.
Thanks for the info on the MSA Firefighter SCBA cylinder. I do not know much about them so I will do some research. I am guessing that the reason for the intervals is to let the compressor cool down. Is that correct?
 
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Thanks for the info on the MSA Firefighter SCBA cylinder. I do not know much about them so I will do some research. I am guessing that the reason for the intervals is to let the compressor cool down. Is that correct?
Yes, these budget compressors are not made for heavy use like the ones scuba, fire stations or retail pcp fill station shops use. It says in my manual not to use to fill scuba tanks larger then .5L/500cc It can obviously handle the pressures but it would take a hour or so to fill my 45 cu.ft from completely empty and running these small compressors longer then a half hour is not advised. So, I want my compressor to last as long as possible which is why I run it for 8 or so minutes and with pump off but fan running I let it cool down. I also added a DIY moisture filter (using 3A Molecular Sieve Desiccant Beads and one cotton type element) to my compressors "air Intake" along with the normal (I choose to use three instead of one big one) inline filters to avoid moisture prolonging the life of both compressor and gun. My compressor's temp is always between 32-36 degrees Celsius manual states 80 degrees Celsius max temp. I run my AC unit when filling to keep room temp around 72.

When looking into what size tank to buy this may help, https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Tanks/FillCalc.html
 
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