N/A Contemplating a Big Bore Bush Gun

@lonedave I’m trying to figure this out. Thick is thick no matter what you’re shooting. I’m tired of getting skunked by hogs. These damn things are smart as hell playing the property lines and staying within the brush. When I see them, most of the time they’re in some thick cover that they can move through a lot faster than I can. The last hog I saw, when I caught it through my scope I saw a crap load of branches and the damn thing walked off and I didn’t see it any more that day. It wasn’t even worth taking the shot to educate it. I want something that can smash through small branches within 35 yards, short enough to maneuver with, and won’t tire me out toting through brush for 3-4 hours.
It'll have no problem going 35 yards, but I know what you mean about them being super fast and able to maneuver through the branches. Heck maybe have someone come in there and take that out or is it everywhere? I'm guessing it is, or you'd already do that. The different slugs you can get would help with that though
 
It'll have no problem going 35 yards, but I know what you mean about them being super fast and able to maneuver through the branches. Heck maybe have someone come in there and take that out or is it everywhere? I'm guessing it is, or you'd already do that. The different slugs you can get would help with that though
@southcarolinaguy This is what I'm talking about. They were moving on me left to right here. I lost one in this. I could hear more than one, but only set eyes on one. I need to shoot through brush like this from 10 out to about 35 yards.
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@southcarolinaguy This is what I'm talking about. They were moving on me left to right here. I lost one in this. I could hear more than one, but only set eyes on one. I need to shoot through brush like this from 10 out to about 35 yards.
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Thank you for the picture for reference. I really think you would be fine with shooting 35 yards no problem with a good scope. With the velocity they provide, I truly think it'll go through that brush to your target no problem. Check out the AEA max pro vids, they show them going through similar brush.
 
i will recommend another quackenbush if you can find one . It would be the 58 carbine . They have a 24” barrel making the gun 42” overall . Not short by any standards but also not massively long . I let the air out of a doe this year and it wasn’t hard to find her . Only went about 40 yards . The great thing about these guns is ive never read about them having any problems . They are built to shoot round ball out of a cheap Lee mold . Personally I can’t think of any better projectile to blast though brush .
 
Is it possible to cut shooting lanes at that permission ?
@Back_Roads The thought crossed my mind, but there are many hog and I've seen them mostly in cover in various places. To cut lanes is to also maintain them unless I let the become overgrown again. Then I would also have to work my way into thick cover to access these lanes. I spent at least an hour in that stuff moving slowly and walking hunched down most of the time. I don't want to have to do that just to access a shooting lane. That's really not the place for lanes. Without video footage it may be hard to imagine what I walked and duck walked through to access the area where I took the photo unless you've done this sort of work. Without bait I don't see them traversing shooting lanes much. It would probably be a crap shoot. There are a considerable number of hogs in this stuff. I have never just encountered a single hog in heavy cover. They are in this for a reason. They feel safe. I don't see any sizeable animal being able to move through thickets as swift as a hog can. If they have to fight in a thicket, whatever they are fighting (unless its another hog or a bull) is going to have a serious problem aside from an aggressive hog or two. There's no running out of thickets unless you are a hog or a small animal like a coon, squirrel, or rabbit. So hogs will amass in dense thickets for various reasons.

I prefer other methods for control of such large numbers. Airgun hunting these hogs is more of a sport because it's a challenge. Generally when I track them into thick cover I can only expect to shoot one or maybe two before they bolt. With that said, I'd like my shots to count and to be lethal to some degree. Ideally I'd like to recover a carcass now and again. I won't loose sleep if I don't, but I know several people that want the meat, so I'd hate to waste it all. Thanks for the suggestion. For now I'm focused on being able to effectively shoot them through brush with a big-bore airgun.
 
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Dave -

Instead of going where you think the hogs are, why not have them come to you.

I have been 'calling' in animals for years using both mouth blown calls as well as electronic units. This way you are able to set up your shooting position to your advantage, taking care to select the best shooting lanes, and more important, selecting a position where your scent is not carried in the hogs direction.

When I am calling in a predator (Hyena, Leopard, Coyote, Wolf), they will circle downwind to determine what is in distress. If they smell you, then it's over. If you positioned yourself where they can not get downwind of you, such as having a cliff at your back for example, you will have a better chance. Even when you think there is zero wind, there is always some movement and that is all an animal needs to know you are there. When I get to my hunting area, I release a small amount of milkweed in the air and off it drifts. With this information, I can adjust my position if necessary.

I recommend buying an inexpensive 'animal in distress' hand call. I have quite a few including coyote, rabbit, goat etc, and any one of them will work. Predators will come in to get an easy meal from a supposedly injured animal. Pigs will come in because they are curious what all the 'screaming' is about; and to eat an injured animal if they can.

We have lots of Saw Palmetto on our winter property and here is where they bed down during the day. I pick my best position based on wind and start calling. More often than not, one contestant will come out to see what is going on and that is usually all it takes.
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Dave -

Instead of going where you think the hogs are, why not have them come to you.

I have been 'calling' in animals for years using both mouth blown calls as well as electronic units. This way you are able to set up your shooting position to your advantage, taking care to select the best shooting lanes, and more important, selecting a position where your scent is not carried in the hogs direction.

When I am calling in a predator (Hyena, Leopard, Coyote, Wolf), they will circle downwind to determine what is in distress. If they smell you, then it's over. If you positioned yourself where they can not get downwind of you, such as having a cliff at your back for example, you will have a better chance. Even when you think there is zero wind, there is always some movement and that is all an animal needs to know you are there. When I get to my hunting area, I release a small amount of milkweed in the air and off it drifts. With this information, I can adjust my position if necessary.

I recommend buying an inexpensive 'animal in distress' hand call. I have quite a few including coyote, rabbit, goat etc, and any one of them will work. Predators will come in to get an easy meal from a supposedly injured animal. Pigs will come in because they are curious what all the 'screaming' is about; and to eat an injured animal if they can.

We have lots of Saw Palmetto on our winter property and here is where they bed down during the day. I pick my best position based on wind and start calling. More often than not, one contestant will come out to see what is going on and that is usually all it takes.
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@MAUMAU Sometimes it’s hard to know when they’re active on the property. They go into the woods and brush and root there too. The brush gun is good to have when I see signs and I’m scouting to keep up with damage or activity away from cameras. Last year is the first time I actually encounter them in the thickets. This has started a different branch of learning about these animals.

For more context read towards the end of this thread. If you don’t want to read through the entire thread start at post #23.

 
@Ezana4CE after reading through this thread I see where and why you want a small brush gun. I'd not want to be wading through that thick brush with a single shot of any kind though. You said a short 30" gun is better for the brush, and I agree because long guns suck in the woods. Would you go with a louder 34 1/2" multi shot, semi auto? It is the Rattler 45, with a modification of removing the moderator can and tubes and adding a thread protector to the barrel. With a small scope, total weight loaded with heavy lead would be right at 10 1/2 pounds.

Here's some measurements from my Rattler 45 for reference: From the butt end to the front of the magazine where the barrel starts is 6 1/2" long. A Rattler 45 with the 28" barrel, with the moderator and carbon tubes removed, would come in at 34 1/2" total with a thread protector.

Because of the caliber and loud nature of the 45 in any caliber, I use a muzzle brake instead of the factory moderator can which only adds about 2 1/2" to the end of the barrel crown. It does tame the bark along with dispelling some of the air blast on the exiting lead.
 
@Ezana4CE after reading through this thread I see where and why you want a small brush gun. I'd not want to be wading through that thick brush with a single shot of any kind though. You said a short 30" gun is better for the brush, and I agree because long guns suck in the woods. Would you go with a louder 34 1/2" multi shot, semi auto? It is the Rattler 45, with a modification of removing the moderator can and tubes and adding a thread protector to the barrel. With a small scope, total weight loaded with heavy lead would be right at 10 1/2 pounds.

Here's some measurements from my Rattler 45 for reference: From the butt end to the front of the magazine where the barrel starts is 6 1/2" long. A Rattler 45 with the 28" barrel, with the moderator and carbon tubes removed, would come in at 34 1/2" total with a thread protector.

Because of the caliber and loud nature of the 45 in any caliber, I use a muzzle brake instead of the factory moderator can which only adds about 2 1/2" to the end of the barrel crown. It does tame the bark along with dispelling some of the air blast on the exiting lead.
@Airgun-hobbyist I’ll preface this by saying I’m not in shape to carry a heavy gun for extended periods. I exercise for health reasons just to get the heart pumping. Carrying heavy guns or multiple rifles is taxing. I’ve done it with a number of combinations and I’ve yet to find one that works. I’ve gone in with a pack with a rifle in the pack. It’s hell getting through the brush with a pack on because it forces me to bend or crawl lower to the ground. Then the weight fatigues me in a different fashion. A secondary sidearm can be helpful, but often I only have seconds to react so the rifle on my shoulder or in my hands is what is fastest to use.

Simply put, a Rattler is too heavy for me. Also I am concerned about debris from dead plants and vines getting into the action and causing problems. I’m not versed in disassembly and reassembly of the Rattler which I also a part of the reason I don’t use the Rattler I already have. It needs small adjustments and I don’t feel like taking the time to work through all of that to get it to where I want it right now.

I can trust the Bulldog platform which is why I usually have one with me. There isn’t much to worry about as far as dirt, branches and leaves getting into the gun and causing problems. It’s easy to get into and I’m very familiar with the platform. It’s also easy to clean off when I get home. Looking at some fpe numbers of .45 platforms, I’m close to grabbing another Bulldog. I just haven’t decided on the configuration. Another factor that is important to me is overall and length of pull. On one outing I had a standard length rifle and a carbine. I got into thick brush and put the full sized rifle down and grabbed the carbine from my pack. Shouldering it felt really awkward and I couldn’t rely on my instincts to operate the carbine in that moment without thinking. Thinking takes time. In that time multiple hogs in different areas scattered and made an intelligent retreat mostly via a covered creek bed. I didn’t know there was a creek bed there until I investigated after they left. I saw the hog that busted me bolt first, but wasn’t able to get a shot off. I hardly saw the others. They juts made plenty of noise.

What I’m looking for is something that will be a primary gun for close quarters that won’t have too much power to harm much else outside of the thicket. As I’ve stated, I’ve shot an unintended target shooting from with a thicket and it really could’ve been worse. Thankfully I addressed my actions swiftly and we got it all sorted. Short trajectory is the advantage of air guns in my experience and in this application. I also must think of my safety. I’ve been crawling through a thicket and saw an hog emerge from the brush at an estimated 15-20 yards in front of me at the bend in a run. My view was magnified and I shot it in the face out of fear for my safety because I was after a pig that I saw not knowing the others were even there and as close as it was, it hadn’t detected me yet and was still coming forward. It felt a lot closer and looked huge through the scope. In reality it probably weighed about 150 lbs at best. That was a hairy situation.

Again the brush gun is a useful tool when scouting because this is how I find out what’s going on where. I rarely see these animals in the open and I haven’t found a pattern of activity across a sizable area spanning several properties. I’m working on other means to address the issue of numbers. I really want something that going to take care of business, that I am comfortable shouldering and shooting offhand, kneeling or leaning against a tree. These are potentially dangerously animals and this method of pursuit is in part sport for me. To a degree I enjoy the risk involved, but I aim to improve my skills and be effective in dispatching these hogs. I want to find the tool that fits the task and feels right for me.
 
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@Ezana4CE you are spot on with the thought of getting something that you are familiar with. The Bulldog 457 would fit that category. Scoped and loaded, it's going to be about a pound lighter than the modified Rattler's total weight, and has nearly the same energy output specs. You'd save a good bit of money for buying lead too!
 
Ezana4CE have you thought about the AEA Element Max in 58cal I have one and with a scope it weighs a little over 6 pounds it likes 400gr or heavier slugs. I had thought about selling it because I wanted a 50cal .495 because I have a lot of slugs in that caliber and a mold, but I talked to Bin Tac last week and I can buy everything from him to change it over to 50cal for a little over $200 so I'm going that route and that way I have 2 calibers in one gun. The only problem I see for you is it's a single shot so no fast follow up shots.
 
@Bowhunter73 I’d considered the Challenger as it is one of the only AEA rifles that I haven’t read a lot of negative remarks about. I’ll have to revisit the Challenger specs. I’m also wondering about the quality of some of the Bin-Tac guns. I’ve read of issues with them, although some of purported power produced by some Bin-Tac creations does look impressive on paper.
 
@Bowhunter73 I’d considered the Challenger as it is one of the only AEA rifles that I haven’t read a lot of negative remarks about. I’ll have to revisit the Challenger specs. I’m also wondering about the quality of some of the Bin-Tac guns. I’ve read of issues with them, although some of purported power produced by some Bin-Tac creations does look impressive on paper.
@Ezana4CE there are far fewer negative feedback for the original AEA Challenger models, that's for sure. The machining and barrel bore quality were where the most complaints were had. They are heavy, and could use a "re-balance" to move the weight back toward the buttstock like I did to my bullpup. The nice thing about them is that they are magazine-fed too. The newer AEA and Bin-Tac models are far lighter, but for some reason have more issues with valves and other parts holding up to the power. And yes, those AEA and Bin-Tac power specs are pretty accurate.
 
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Hey man. I am new here so I apologize if I do or say anything I am not supposed to. If you are interested in the AEA HP SS MAX .50 caliber Id give it a go. The Thing is a beast. Very well made and great accuracy - recommended to fill around 3500-4000 psi for best accuracy and it was definitely accurate. Used it once and couldn't believe how good it is. But...I should have discussed with the wife first. Lol. Unfortunately will be posting on here, but wanted to let you know you can reach out if you have any specific questions.
Do you want to sell it?
 
@lonedave I’m trying to figure this out. Thick is thick no matter what you’re shooting. I’m tired of getting skunked by hogs. These damn things are smart as hell playing the property lines and staying within the brush. When I see them, most of the time they’re in some thick cover that they can move through a lot faster than I can. The last hog I saw, when I caught it through my scope I saw a crap load of branches and the damn thing walked off and I didn’t see it any more that day. It wasn’t even worth taking the shot to educate it. I want something that can smash through small branches within 35 yards, short enough to maneuver with, and won’t tire me out toting through brush for 3-4 hours.
Evidence of what I said about them playing the property line. That’s a fence on the immediate left. A rare instance of them being in the open. To those who may think to ask, no I didn’t get a shot off. I‘m working with a hunting dog and I spent considerable time settling and situating him before preparing to take a shot where I ended up kneeling was behind a bush. before that I tried bracing against a fence post, but it was loose and wiggly. When I stood the side step the bush, I was busted by a hog. To my credit I caught some more coming in that spot within 30 minutes and shot one with a Western Rattler 357. The dog located more later that night. I shot into a group of them in the brush and I don’t think I hit anything.

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Sometimes situations arise that require specific or specialty tools. I’m interested in suggestions for a bush gun- something compact that I can shoulder and shoot at short range in tight spaces like thickets, heavy undergrowth, a pine sappling stand, etc. Might sound strange, but it’s what I want. If I can find something less than 30 inches that would be great! So far I’ve considered:

Evanix Rex-P in .45 (super compact)
AEA Element in .45

Just something I’ve been thinking about on and off. What else can y’all suggest?
What fpe requirements are you needing
 
What fpe requirements are you needing
@thammer For effectively shooting hogs through brush? I have no idea. It’s what I’m trying to figure out. It seems that larger calibers like .58 or maybe .45 are what’s called for. I haven’t had much luck connecting with animals through moderate to thick brush shooting .357.
 
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