CPHP does long range!

[qball]

Finally a quiet Friday at work and just gorgeous out! Decided to head to the range after picking up my 45 minute tank from hydro testing. Only brought the .22 crown and 2 tins of .22 CPHP to fart around with. I had darn good luck with the .22 CPHP with superior liner out to 80-100 yards So bought 10,000 rounds when they were on sale because I’m a baller like that! Fully expected them to kinda suck because the heavy liner has much faster twist rate, never the less I figured might as well try it for a couple of hours of cheap thrills…….plus I forgot to top off my 60 minute tank so don’t have that much air with just 3800 PSI on the gauge.



propped 4 sheets of targets at 50 and 2 targets 100 yards, figured I’ll muck around at 50 most of the time. Chronoed the first 5 shots at Max HS and came back 1100 FPS, that was funny. Sat down and went through HS 0-4 and HS setting one floored me! 

Wait what??!?! Holy crap! stars aligned and the wind must of died, 0.39 inch group at 50 yards with CPHP?!? In a slug liner/barrel? Obviously the super high speed groups sucked bad but setting 1 group is Whoa!


Completely surprised I went for 100 yard target. Obviously it’s MUCH harder at 100 yards but no where near as bad as I though it would be. To my complete shock I even got a 0.99 inch sub group because 5 shots are just 1 shot too many said Zephyr the God of wind. Yup, the wind will shift 180 degrees in between the trigger pull and impact at this range. LOL

Here is the typical group at 100 today, 2 were right on top of each other then wind shift! 

delighted by such unexpected surprise I started to shoot rocks on the berm at the end of range which is 120 yards at the bottom and 130 yards at top. I shot almost a tin of pellets into the hill, why? Because it’s was crazy awesome! I was picking off small rocks at 130 yards with CPHP PELLETS!!! I even got quite a few first shot hit! I was literally fist pumping at the range table! Keep in mind the wind is about 2-5mph swirling in every direction, I was holding up to 4 mils for wind both sides of the center but 80% of the time was 1-2 mil to the right and 1 Mil up and down! 

Still pumped as I’m posting this, such awesome surprise thanks to…….low on air!




EDIT: for reference I do not wash, weight or sort pellets, too lazy for that. I do however use orange pledge on all my pellets even CPHP Tom Holland Style aka field target tech. Haven’t seen him around in almost a year, hope all is well. The pledge does seem to help with accuracy, clean barrel and less flyers. 

 

[FelixS]

Wow, accuracy at a bargain!

 

[qball]

Wow, accuracy at a bargain!

Right?!?! I got them at literally 1 cent a pellet shipped to my door, didn’t even go into Wally world!!! 


obviously the average 100 yard group sucks compared to even 12.5 grain 177 grain NSA slugs in the similar wind condition but 1 cent a shot!!! Didn’t really see any weird wobble or many fliers even, kinda mind boggling. 

 

[dizzums]

no reason to waste money on fancy pellets for everyday plinking ... even in my majority bargain guns premeirs average 2" or so at 80 .. only guns i keep special dialed in pellets for are my pesting/hunting guns and 2 tins last 5 years or more, i dont need 50 tins of expensive ammo stockpiled to waste on pinpoint accuracy on the hillside ... for what lol ...

 

[qball]

no reason to waste money on fancy pellets for everyday plinking ... even in my majority bargain guns premeirs average 2" or so at 80 .. only guns i keep special dialed in pellets for are my pesting/hunting guns and 2 tins last 5 years or more, i dont need 50 tins of expensive ammo stockpiled to waste on pinpoint accuracy on the hillside ... for what lol ...

very true! However I found CPHP really really accurate out of FX superior liners, much better than just plinking accurate, they are shockingly accurate. I honestly have not done much or any better at 50 yards with any fancy pellets, I’ve only done better at 100 yards with .25 JSB heavy 34 grain pellets but grand scheme of things not massively better, after all 1 inch groups at 100 yards is pretty darn good unless you use 30 cal pellets. Now I’m curious on what the groups would look like at 150 yards with a bit less wind.

 

[Pistonjohn]

very true! However I found CPHP really really accurate out of FX superior liners, much better than just plinking accurate, they are shocking accurate. I honestly have not done much or any better at 50 yards with any fancy pellets, I’ve only done better at 100 yards with .25 JSB heavy 34 grain pellets but grand scheme of things not massively better, after all 1 inch groups at 100 yards is pretty darn good unless you use 30 cal pellets. Now I’m curious on what the groups would look like at 150 yards with a bit less wind.

You mentioned slug liner, so you used superior heavy liner? 

My experience with CPHP is that they are scary accurate for a few shots, one on top of each other, then I get some flyers. Scratch my head off can't think of a reason.

 

[Joedirt199]

What do you think your velocity was when you turned down the power?

Nevermind, I found the numbers written on your targets. 

 

[qball]

very true! However I found CPHP really really accurate out of FX superior liners, much better than just plinking accurate, they are shocking accurate. I honestly have not done much or any better at 50 yards with any fancy pellets, I’ve only done better at 100 yards with .25 JSB heavy 34 grain pellets but grand scheme of things not massively better, after all 1 inch groups at 100 yards is pretty darn good unless you use 30 cal pellets. Now I’m curious on what the groups would look like at 150 yards with a bit less wind.

You mentioned slug liner, so you used superior heavy liner? 

My experience with CPHP is that they are scary accurate for a few shots, one on top of each other, then I get some flyers. Scratch my head off can't think of a reason.

yes, I’m using superior heavy. They really should just called it superior slug liner just so it’s clear. It’s not supposed to shoot pellets well but seems to shoot the CPHP darn well, haven’t noticed many fliers yet but it’s kinda windy at the range so hard to tell if it’s wind or not, I’m sure there were a few especially given how fast they are spinning.

try clean your barrel and lube your pellets with lemon or orange pledge.

 

[L.Leon]

Same experience as @pistonjohn, good accuracy for a few shots, then unexplained flyers. @qball, Try shooting some consecutive five shot groups at 50 yards in good conditions. Then post up the results. I bet you be hard pressed to hold 3/4”-1” five shot groups, mucho flyers.

 

[qball]

Same experience as @pistonjohn, good accuracy for a few shots, then unexplained flyers. @qball, Try shooting some consecutive five shot groups at 50 yards in good conditions. Then post up the results. I bet you be hard pressed to hold 3/4”-1” five shot groups, mucho flyers.

will do! Sadly finding windless day on the plain/range is much harder said than done but will try my best. 


HOWEVER I did not find many flyers at 100-130 yards when I was shooting yesterday. I mean I was watching the dirt splash really close together. Could be the barrel/ammo combo. Also try pledge your pellets after a good barrel cleaning. The smooth profile of FX Has less flyers in general I think, I found almost no flyers with standard superior liner and TJ barrel also with .22 CPHP. Btw I also found very few flyers with .177 CPHP in FX, crosman LW and CZ barrels, maybe I’m lucky but I found them to be very consistent in all my guns maybe with exception of the PP700 but it has cheap Chinese barrel. Maybe one day I’ll get off my lazy ass and re-crown it.

 

[L.Leon]

@qball, inspired by your post I did a little plinking out to my 102 yard station with the CPHPs. Using 17 MOA of elevation I was able to hit my two plastic nasal spray plastic bottles. Took me four shots to get the two hits. Held 2 MOA off for the wind. So I do agree they can hit at long range. Consistently accurate? Is the question?

 

[L.Leon]

@qball, dirt splash? I get it as I’ve also shoot at objects on a dirt berm. Paper splash, aka, shooting groups at various distances for the true tale of the accuracy of the CPHPs is far more telling. I love plinking, and find it an invaluable aid to my pesting where the first shot must count. But I don’t rely on plinking to tell me how a pellet might shoot consistently. For me group shooting confirms my guns precision with any particular pellet. I did shoot two, 3/4” five shot groups at forty yards. But it’s not related to long range part of this thread.

 

[qball]

@qball, inspired by your post I did a little plinking out to my 102 yard station with the CPHPs. Using 17 MOA of elevation I was able to hit my two plastic nasal spray plastic bottles. Took me four shots to get the two hits. Held 2 MOA off for the wind. So I do agree they can hit at long range. Consistently accurate? Is the question?

Nice! Consistently accurate? I think so, for such poor BC projectiles to have POI that close together that far out is impressive IMHO. Obviously everyone's guns/barrels are different so hard to say which combo will work consistent enough to shoot far again but I found with relatively mild wind CPHP is shocking accurate even at 100 yards out of FX barrels, biggest shock to me is out of Heavy liner.

@qball, dirt splash? I get it as I’ve also shoot at objects on a dirt berm. Paper splash, aka, shooting groups at various distances for the true tale of the accuracy of the CPHPs is far more telling. I love plinking, and find it an invaluable aid to my pesting where the first shot must count. But I don’t rely on plinking to tell me how a pellet might shoot consistently. For me group shooting confirms my guns precision with any particular pellet. I did shoot two, 3/4” five shot groups at forty yards. But it’s not related to long range part of this thread.

I was not missing by 3-4 inches at 130 yards, when I do miss it's well under 2 inches most of the time. I get what you are saying but groups to me are just a good way to establish consistent of POI, once I get a group/POI tight enough then I go work on the ballistics and wind hold, it's a heck lot more fun on "reactive" targets than just paper. To me consistency of POI isn't accuracy, it's absolute foundation of accuracy but consistency does not equate to accuracy. CPHP has low low BC of 0.026(probably lower) so 100-130 yards is a long way, unless no wind any projectile with that low of BC won't be "accurate" enough if you want that first shot hit at 100 yards with variable wind. If someone is incredibly good at shooting with difficult environmentals variables then CPHP will be very accurate consistently but in my hands they are accurate but not crazy accurate because I am not that good at shooting in difficult conditions. 



In the end as long as an ammo/gun combo can produce consistent POI with ZERO wind then accuracy is purely shooter's responsibility/capability. The BC will determine the margin of error when it comes to environmental variables. 



I was seriously surprised by how consistent the CPHP shot out of the superior heavy barrel, I thought it would be shot gun pattern but obviously far from it. 

 

[Dirtracer]

Can not get better than economy and performance 

 

[qball]

Can not get better than economy and performance

Certainly not possible to get better that that. Here is the full breakdown: 

- In That range session of around 3 hours I shot a little over 1 tin of CPHP that cost around 8 dollars at Walmart pro-rated for the partial tin
- It’s really thrifty on air and filled up only around 4 times but I have a compressor and solar so that’s free essentially

- joined the range membership so it’s 7 dollars for the day

- round trip is 60 miles but drove wife’s Tesla model 3 which cost 4.5 cents a mile to drive (thanks to greedy PG&E) so rounding up to 3 dollars for transportation to the range



that’s grand totally of 18 dollars for an afternoon at the range, The economy and performance scale is quite excellent!!!

 

[SDellinger]

 

https://youtu.be/Tqv4yZykWSA



Think I finally figured this out. This is a FX 400 22 cal 14.5 grain Crosman dome shot at 143 yards. I was shocked at the hit. The pigeon flew off but only went about 40 yards. My 400 shoots Crosman domes great but you really have to be careful shooting in the wind as they have a poor bc. I used the reticle in my Hawke scope for aiming. It is a mil reticle but moa dialing. Confusing to say the least but if I hold where Strelok says it seems to work.

 

[qball]

https://youtu.be/Tqv4yZykWSA





Think I finally figured this out. This is a FX 400 22 cal 14.5 grain Crosman dome shot at 143 yards. I was shocked at the hit. The pigeon flew off but only went about 40 yards. My 400 shoots Crosman domes great but you really have to be careful shooting in the wind as they have a poor bc. I used the reticle in my Hawke scope for aiming. It is a mil reticle but moa dialing. Confusing to say the least but if I hold where Strelok says it seems to work.

very nice shot!!! That’s a long long way for the lowly 1 cent pellet!!!