Crazy Spiraling .177

check your barrel crowns. if you make your own moderators, check your cans internals alignments and lastly, check that the cans muzzle hole is also concentric.
Thanks. I have inspected with a loupe and crowns seems clean. I do not make my own mods, use DFL and stock. One gun the 13gr spiral and the 10g wont. 20fpe is limit so I cant really adjust the speeds up, only down. Even then I dont want to continually adjust the reg as its a process, internally.
 
Since it is happening in “all” your guns, you have to go to the common denominator(s).
Pellets.
Or
something you are moving from on gun to the next like a moderator.
Or
If intermittent spiraling - environmental. For example my home range has a large barn at 28 to 37 yards that my pellet flight must transverse. Air around the barn swirls and a A/C is also pushing air when it kicks on. In this later example set out wind flags / streamers every 5 yards and just watch them.
Also, have they ALL spiraled all the time or is this a new phenomenon? If new, what changed?
Or
Oddball possibility - did you get a new air source which has introduced moisture into your systems? Overtime this can cause odd things to happen inside your Airguns you will eventually experience total failure in your guns.
Or
And I experienced this, cleaning debris was left in shrouds and moderators, best to remove shrouds and moderators to clean, so disassemble them and look.
Keep us posted as we all love a mystery.
I have a Redwolf.177 HP that was shooting amazingly well and one day it started spiraling 13.4’s at 40+ yards so poi was low and right———I thought I’d lost my zero but long story short is my battery voltage had dropped and I was experiencing problems that were resulting from this as when I woke up and charged the battery voila.
Its going to take some time and continued testing. To get to 50yds I must go to my local outdoor range which is 30min drive so it will take some time thru it. Hoping over the next few months or so. I shoot each night at home. Bench im at 21y max, bucket and sticks I can get 35y.
I shot my RAW HM1000 2 nights ago and it did amazing, last night not so much. Same setup, same pellets. Ive always experienced this with my airguns and it drives me crazy. I am the common denominator so it seems like something im doing but I cant figure it out! I shot 2 other guns and they did amazing so I cant say its fully me or the pellets as I was able to repeat performance again and again at 35y and under.
 
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Lots of mixed opinions on this but you might have dirty barrels if all your doing is pull throughs. And the "dirty"might even extend to leaded up barrels, specifically at the chokes.

Sub 20fpe airguns are typically pretty tolerant of lots and lots and lots of shots without leading issues. BUT, (again in my opinion) pull throughs are not sufficient cleaning, Especially if youve never polished the bores.

At last count Ive fiddled with something like 50 airgun barrels. And I've yet to find one that some combination of bore polishing and a strict cleaning regimen with a one-piece rod and tight fitting patches didn't improve results (accuracy). Not saying each barrel needs the same cleaning regimen, but determining what each barrel needs in order for it keep shooting at its best is part of the equation.

For the kind of accuracy you're seeking, you would benefit from (at the very least) some JB bore paste polishing of those barrels.
 
All high spin rate projectiles, no matter if they are pellets or slugs, spiral when they leave the barrel. Usually the spirals will be very small so you will not notice them. If you have a perfect pellet/slug fired from a perfect barrel held by a perfect shooter, the spirals will be minute but anything less than perfect such as initial yaw rates, offset CGs or asymmetries on the surface, will increase the size of the spirals, but they will still be small close to the gun. What happens next will depend on the projectile design.

Considering pellets, pellets have a relatively low BC and poor dynamic stability. The poor BC means that as the pellet moves down range, the forward speed decreases at a much faster rate than the spin, giving a growing gyroscopic stability. The poor dynamic stability means the yaw the pellet started with will either stay much the same or increase. So with increasing gyroscopic stability, and growing maximum yaw angles you will start to get long yaw wave lengths and increasing yaw amplitudes which will give visible spirals. The range at which the spirals become visible will depend on several other factors such as muzzle velocity, twist rate and the design of the pellet.

Heavy pellets have characteristics which make them more prone to spirals. The centre of gravity tends to be further aft than on medium weight pellets, which reduces the aerodynamic moments due to the CG being much closer to the aerodynamic centre. This makes them more gyroscopically stable to start with, giving longer yaw wave lengths unless the barrel twist rate is lowered.

Cross winds can induce spiralling, particularly on heavy pellets, but you do not need cross winds, they can do it themselves.

As to the original OP's problem, there are the usual methods for delaying the start of spiralling, such as reducing muzzle velocity, decreasing barrel twist rate. The Air Arms barrels and the Daystate barrels have relatively high twist rate barrels, so may be prone to the problem. I understand however that changing barrels may not be practical for the original poster. Trying to minimize launch errors, may help extend the range before spirals become a problem by reducing the muzzle blast or any of the other ways of getting a clean launch of the pellet.

I looked at pellet spiralling in this thread, https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/pellet-spirals.1297114/, but it concentrated on .22 calibre. The information in the first half may be of use to you.
 
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Lots of mixed opinions on this but you might have dirty barrels if all your doing is pull throughs. And the "dirty"might even extend to leaded up barrels, specifically at the chokes.

Sub 20fpe airguns are typically pretty tolerant of lots and lots and lots of shots without leading issues. BUT, (again in my opinion) pull throughs are not sufficient cleaning, Especially if youve never polished the bores.

At last count Ive fiddled with something like 50 airgun barrels. And I've yet to find one that some combination of bore polishing and a strict cleaning regimen with a one-piece rod and tight fitting patches didn't improve results (accuracy). Not saying each barrel needs the same cleaning regimen, but determining what each barrel needs in order for it keep shooting at its best is part of the equation.

For the kind of accuracy you're seeking, you would benefit from (at the very least) some JB bore paste polishing of those barrels.
I thought the same. Or perhaps damaged breech orings, inconsistent fouling in some grooves? I know nothing of AA Guns.. over lubed?
 
.177 at 150bar?!?!

That's entirely too much, I've only ever set my 600mm .177 impact at 142b to shoot 16gr zan slugs at 970fps and it could go higher.

Try setting your reg between 85b and 105b, you will have little to no waste of air and your spiraling will go away. There's too much turbulence going on
Yes I agree my crown 500mm barrel shoots 10.3 pellets at 930 reg is at 100 max setting on wheel but I can re adjust the hammer and push it to over 1000 but the pellet flight is unstable which puts it well above the 20FPE but the sweet spot is at 19.4FPE that will make a 3/8" group at 35 yards in rotating wind you have to do your homework and adjust your particular gun to achieve maximum accuracy and power combined.
 
Yes I agree my crown 500mm barrel shoots 10.3 pellets at 930 reg is at 100 max setting on wheel but I can re adjust the hammer and push it to over 1000 but the pellet flight is unstable which puts it well above the 20FPE but the sweet spot is at 19.4FPE that will make a 3/8" group at 35 yards in rotating wind you have to do your homework and adjust your particular gun to achieve maximum accuracy and power combined.
a lot of shooting with a chrono. i also like to shoot with the sun behind me so i can see spiraling. sometimes spiraling can be so consistent that pellets are hitting the same spot at the guns zero distance. i