Looks like the Crosman Custom shop is back up and running. Too bad they don’t offer any of their pcp airguns for customization.
Crosman Custom shop back up
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I didn’t see that on their Custom Shop web page.
I am curious though, on your About page you say ”Airgun Revisions does not repair or build customers guns, so check website often for new releases in single on-off guns to batch made guns.”
If you do build to customers’ specs, have you considered a drop down menu like the Custom Shop uses for customers to design what they want?
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People interact other then what you see or don’t see on a web page. A web page does not define a company, myself or Crosman. Did you know there’s a Benjamin website?
The program involved that Crosman does is very intricate very expensive and time-consuming to put together. I know this well.
I don’t because of the above plus I offer way way more then can actually be put on a drop down virtual photo.
So my question to you is why should I go through all that and not even scratch the surface of what I offer when you can just pick up the phone?
FYI that about page is old and at a time when everyone thought they were engineers because they watched a guy on YouTube.
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A web page is an introduction to to the world and it says this is who we are and what we do. I did
I did know there is a Benjamin site, they don't have custom shop and therefore they were not part of my original post.
What more do you offer? As a potential customer, I may not have time to call and ask what you do or do not do. You, as a one man operation, may not have time to take my call.
I don't mean to have you go out of your way "to scratch the surface". I didn't realize that it would be bothersome.
and regarding your FYI, what does " FYI that about page is old and at a time when everyone thought they were engineers because they watched a guy on YouTube."?
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FWIW, people ask me questions all the time about airguns, field target, etcetera. Some questions can be answered in a text or email, others can't; but none in the detail and insights I provide in conversation. I've often volunteered my expertise and phone number on this forum, usually with the caveat I'm happy to answer inquiries by phone conversation.
I'm always amazed how many folks don't take me up on such a generous offer. Especially when their posts appearing shortly thereafter describe mistakes they made like buying all the wrong gun for their purpose; that I would have saved them making. All I can do in those cases is
Texting and email are POOR communication methods compared to conversation, so I don't bother using them for compound questions and/or questions that require back-and-forth information exchange to do justice.
I see both your points, A-R and BJ, but assure you A-R won't (and probably can't) answer your question "What more do you offer" by keyboard; nor should he. Yes, it would be that bothersome. A five minute conversation covers much more pertinent ground than a half-hour keyboarding. If you're interested in A-R's ilk of services, you should take him up on his generous offer.
I'm always amazed how many folks don't take me up on such a generous offer. Especially when their posts appearing shortly thereafter describe mistakes they made like buying all the wrong gun for their purpose; that I would have saved them making. All I can do in those cases is
Texting and email are POOR communication methods compared to conversation, so I don't bother using them for compound questions and/or questions that require back-and-forth information exchange to do justice.
I see both your points, A-R and BJ, but assure you A-R won't (and probably can't) answer your question "What more do you offer" by keyboard; nor should he. Yes, it would be that bothersome. A five minute conversation covers much more pertinent ground than a half-hour keyboarding. If you're interested in A-R's ilk of services, you should take him up on his generous offer.
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See the thing is, I didn't ask Airgun Revisions anything. He chimed in with how Crosman/Benjamin refer pcp custom work requests to him.FWIW, people ask me questions all the time about airguns, field target, etcetera. Some questions can be answered in a text or email, others can't; but none in the detail and insights I provide in conversation. I've often volunteered my expertise and phone number on this forum, usually with the caveat I'm happy to answer inquiries by phone conversation.
I'm always amazed how many folks don't take me up on such a generous offer. Especially when their posts appearing shortly thereafter describe mistakes they made like buying all the wrong gun for their purpose; that I would have saved them making. All I can do in those cases is
Texting and email are POOR communication methods compared to conversation, so I don't bother using them for compound questions and/or questions that require back-and-forth information exchange to do justice.
I see both your points, A-R and BJ, but assure you A-R won't (and probably can't) answer your question "What more do you offer" by keyboard; nor should he. Yes, it would be that bothersome. A five minute conversation covers much more pertinent ground than a half-hour keyboarding. If you're interested in A-R's ilk of services, you should take him up on his generous offer.
All I said is, I wish the Crosman Shop had pcp items as well. I like their web site. I wasn't asking for his two cents or for him to jump in for a grab at free advertising and talk about how great he is.
I agree phone calls are great, but most times I don't have time during business hours to get into a long phone call. For me to call ask do you do this? or how about this? but what about this? is a p.i.a. Especially if I see they have a web site, that is updated with the services they provide.
And I disagree about e-mails being poor communication. I can craft a well thought out e-mail and with numerous questions a lot easier than trying to think of asking for x,y, and or z in a phone call and forgetting ask about m.
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Well, I haven't complained about this for years, but here I go again...
Scratch that, I am just going to lament instead, this topic isn't worth a rant anymore. Crosman, Benjamin, Velocity Outdoors, or whatever else they want to call themselves should have never given up improving the Marauder. The Marauder should have an aluminum tube by now, especially since JSAR did one, proving its viability. It has for me, changed the whole nature of the gun from an uncarryable, front heavy misery, to one of the most pleasant off-hand shooting guns I own. The next point of improvement, of course, is that it should have a sidelever by now too. Philip G., told me in a thread, on this website, after they conducted a big survey, that a sidelever was the most requested feature and that we would soon be seeing one. What he didn't say at the time, was that it wasn't going to be on the Marauder, but on a bunch of rebranded Turkish guns. Those guns are nice addition to their line but not a reason to stop improving their best seller. Some might think that it should probably be totally externally adjustable too, but I don't want to go into fantasy land here, I'm just lamenting. Anyway, it's nice to hear that the Crosman Custom Shop is finally back running again but it would be great to hear that they were actually going to start selling some of the stuff that their customers wanted all along for the Marauder.
Scratch that, I am just going to lament instead, this topic isn't worth a rant anymore. Crosman, Benjamin, Velocity Outdoors, or whatever else they want to call themselves should have never given up improving the Marauder. The Marauder should have an aluminum tube by now, especially since JSAR did one, proving its viability. It has for me, changed the whole nature of the gun from an uncarryable, front heavy misery, to one of the most pleasant off-hand shooting guns I own. The next point of improvement, of course, is that it should have a sidelever by now too. Philip G., told me in a thread, on this website, after they conducted a big survey, that a sidelever was the most requested feature and that we would soon be seeing one. What he didn't say at the time, was that it wasn't going to be on the Marauder, but on a bunch of rebranded Turkish guns. Those guns are nice addition to their line but not a reason to stop improving their best seller. Some might think that it should probably be totally externally adjustable too, but I don't want to go into fantasy land here, I'm just lamenting. Anyway, it's nice to hear that the Crosman Custom Shop is finally back running again but it would be great to hear that they were actually going to start selling some of the stuff that their customers wanted all along for the Marauder.
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While the older crowd may prefer phone calls to any other form of communication the younger people generally don't. Email, texting, websites and such are how many if not most communicate today. I’d rather talk on the phone being the OTB that I am but at least initial contact is going to be online for everyone who plans to stay in business today.
Rick H.
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Cool.
I agree Crosman should include PCPs in the Custom Shop offerings, and have considered suggesting it to them. However I think they've discontinued the 1720T and P-Rod; and if so, they've lost me anyway.
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That would have been my reaction had I not seen them make similar marketing decisions (historically).
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Wow.That would have been my reaction had I not seen them make similar marketing decisions (historically).
I've had a 1720 and absolutely loved it, and rhe PRod with the carbine stock almost seems like the no brainer "1st pcp". Plus, both hecho en USA.
I hate seeing storied domestic companies end their remaining domestic production and light their brand on fire. It sucks.
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It is unfortunately. That’s the economy right now.
We have not discontinued the 1720 or the p-Rod sir. I don’t know where you heard that.
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The 1720t is not a priority gun compared to most other guns made in house. This is based on sales because of its niche market. I’ll actually be discussing the subject this weekend. I produce the FT version of the 2021 Challenger. The main reason why the Woods Walker was discontinued was because the contract with Real Tree was not renewed, and this because of the new M-Rod stocks so it wasn’t worth it just for one gun.
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AirNGasman said that 1720 and P-Rod are discontinued. I wrote Crosman customer service this morning and asked them if/when the 1720 would be available. They just replied and said the 1720 has been obsoleted.
So when you say “We have not discontinued the 1720….”, who is “We”?
Are you speaking as a representative for Crosman, or are you just claiming to be a representative? Or do you mean AR will be piecing together some 1720s or that you have them in stock?
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"I don’t know where you heard that."
It's been alluded on this forum multiple times, including one thread that stated all the parts are still available from Crosman to build a 1720T. I did find that a little strange.
I've also seen and experienced other circumstantial evidences; one being several AGN posts bemoaning lack of 1720T availability. Perhaps I should know better than to believe everything I read... especially in Cyberspace.
Also, when I bought my P-Rod (close to a year ago) the only place in Cyberspace I could find one was Walmart.com. I couldn't even buy one from Crosman. So I assumed Crosman had none in stock, and jumped on one from Walmart on the further assumption that distribution pipe-lines were going dry of P-Rods. Interestingly and STRANGELY, my P-Rod (purchased from Walmart.com) was drop-shipped from Crosman.
BTW, I dreamed none of this.
Having owned Crosmans for over sixty years, captured multiple State & National Champion titles and NRA National Record certificates with Crosmans, witnessed Crosman's classic to plastic devolution, their subsequent self-resurrection, their (often) slow and/or awkward responses to popular demands, founded Pistol Field Target and Extreme Pistol Field Target competitions, and been personally responsible for over ten 1720 purchases by new PFT shooters, it is a huge understatement to say my emotional, one-sided relationship with Crosman has been quite a long and exhausting roller-coaster ride. I suspect I'm not the only one that feels this way; just the most (obviously) EMOTIONALLY SCARRED.
A good analogy is my emotional investment in the DALLAS COWBOYS!
Understand this AR- I'm not dumping on you. You've shown great courage coming out as a Crosman employee(?). That, in itself, is admirable. As also are your obvious intellect, logic, and communication skills.
Also this- Although I am often critical of Crosman, it has ALWAYS been on the hope they can benefit from it. Call it 'constructive' criticism(s)... hardened by frustration(s). I'm not the only one that feels Crosman doesn't exactly have a finger on the pulse of American airgunning (see my post-script below).
FWIW (ALL Crosmans, though you might not recognize them)-
Best Regards,
Ron
P.S.- I sometimes wonder if anyone at Crosman realizes I've been winning high-level airgun competitions with their products for forty years, written seventeen chapters specifically about their products (in five books), referenced their products in most of the other 82 chapters, also contributed magazine articles specifically about Crosman products, other articles referencing Crosman products, and contributed a lot of related information and photos to the latest Blue Book Of Airgun Values; yet I doubt anyone at Crosman even recognizes my name. If the answer is no, that confirms my opinion Crosman doesn't exactly have their finger on the pulse of American airgunning.
But if the answer is yes...
I am available for consulting. I work on a commission basis. My fee is 10% of the amount I increase gross sales on products I input.
Consider this the free initial consultation.
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