Crosman has let me down. Whats the point if its all made in China?

[Engg.Ken]

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Looks like hack job, the reality is the tool has worn out and the insert needs to be replaced.

 

[Treefrog]

Wow, Myles. You sure can see where they stopped the mill on that receiver. Fit and finish are definitely not what they were just a few years ago...

I do hope that someone in Crosman management sees this thread.

Cheers,

J~

 

[Chief Ten-Beers]

My Chinese JTS has tooling marks in the wood stock, but at least not in the Finished Metal.

 

[Sawney Bean]

IMO, the only thing the Crosman line of guns has really had going for it in recent years is modularity and a massive aftermarket. You could buy a 2240 or 1322 and then $250 in parts later you'd have a decent gun and building it was fun. The thing is these are dated designs of mediocre quality at best and there seem to be more modern and better quality guns like the pp750 that are also modular. And if they're both made in China then why not just go with the better gun?

I don't want to condemn Crosman categorically however as they also make Benjamins and I haven't seen or heard many complaints about those recently, other than with their multipumps.

 

[sekiar]

I worked for a company that sourced some of their products from China and they were consistently well made. I talked to the buyer about the "unexpectedly good quality" and he explained that, like everything else, you get what you pay for.

The Chinese products have a bad reputation because the people importing the stuff insist on the cheapest quality they can get.

To get "cheap" you cut corners. Minimum inspection is done - fit, finish and function are compromised. The cheapest hardware and off the shelf components (like o-rings) are used. The assembly is rushed to get the product out the door.

I'm not so sure that "Made in America" is automatically a good thing. It seems that North American workers typically want the maximum pay and benefits for the minimum amount of work. No need to pull your weight, let someone else do that, everyone is entitled to a "free ride" - right? Quality here is questionable as there's no pride in workmanship that you see in products made in Britain, Germany, Sweden and Japan.

I'm all for the feature-rich reasonably priced airguns that are on the market these days because they attract people to the sport. My concern is that the companies are focused on shot term profits and the poor designs, poor quality, and poor performance turns off new shooters. A rough trigger or magazine causes frustration every time the airgun is used, spend a couple more pennies (or even dollars) and make something usable - right out of the box. Happy customers are repeat customers.

I feel for the Crosman employees - especially at a time when we need more manufacturing in North America. Crosman, as a company lost my respect when they released the 392 muli-pump pneumatic with iron sights and a stock with a cheek comb designed for scopes. Talk about awkward! Did Crosman even test the gun before sending it to market?

I call it corporate greed. Companies need to realize that if you don't take care of your customers then somebody else will. That or those customers will leave the market and be lost forever.

As customers we need to be realistic, quality costs money. You don't get a Porsche for a Volkswagen price.

Cheers anyway!

Don’t knock the Volkswagen! Had a bug many years ago and it was a top quality car. Also at the same had an Olds luxury sedan so I can say with experience the VW for what it was was a quality car! Charles

 

[Chief Ten-Beers]

The one thing that would have made the Bug better would have been forced air Heat. I had a few, and they were great in the snow.

 

[elh0102]

It's all about Quality Control
No matter where it is made
Ya got it or ya ain't

Exactly. The problem is in NY. Quality materials and labor can be achieved anywhere, but only with quality management.

 

[daddypaddy]

it’s probably a genuine knock-off clone. crasmon IB22!

 

[jkingrph]

I got and built up several of the CO2 crossmans 22xx types, all made in the US over the last few years. I finally broke down and got a Diana Airbug and honestly while not as neet looking as the Crossman, it is miles ahead in quality, even if made in China, and I am by no means pro China.

 

[xsarfc9x]

I did notice the blueing had improved on my 362.

My first thought, is if it's to the same spec as the US made tubes. Alot of ppl pin the tubes to run on hpa. Hopefully it's the same wall thickness.

 

[Vana2]

Don’t knock the Volkswagen! Had a bug many years ago and it was a top quality car. Also at the same had an Olds luxury sedan so I can say with experience the VW for what it was was a quality car! Charles

My friend's VW Bug was the car that I learned to drive with, not dissing it at all, lots of fond memories of it.

...BUT, you have to admit that a Porsche is in a different class!

Ya got good and gooder!

 

[Chief Ten-Beers]

Take that Porsche and try to outrun the Bug in 12 in of snow! LOL

 

[MylesBennettDyson]

From what im hearing, it also seems that the new crop of 1322 and 1377 are sporting made in China stamps too. If anyone has picked up one recently can you confirm? This is the sad end of an era. Thanks crosman for the good times but you will never see my money darken your door again.

 

[BerkshireHunter]

From what im hearing, it also seems that the new crop of 1322 and 1377 are sporting made in China stamps too. If anyone has picked up one recently can you confirm? This is the sad end of an era. Thanks crosman for the good times but you will never see my money darken your door again.

The American Classic has fallen. On a related note, the plastic forearm on the new 1377 needs to be beefed up too.

 

[uglymike]

Remember years ago the PA review of the Crosman rifle where the scope and scope rail fell off the rifle because of bad welds? Remember the follow-up damage control video of the same 2 reviewers being ushered around some factory where Crosman was falling all over themselves to try and undo what couldn't be undone? That was the day I walked away from their Chinese products.

 

[CharlieF]

Now that Gamo owns Crosman, you can stick a fork in them; they are done.

 

[Rizz01]

Maybe this is just "growing pains" for Crossman.

 

[Firewalker]

If you read or replied to this thread on a cellphone and you said "only buy Murician!", your a hypocrite.

I like the global economy.

 

[Frank in Fairfield]

My computer was made in China.
My cellphone was made in China.
My refrigerator and oven were made in China.
Parts for my car & truck are made in China.
My wife was made in Korea.
She has been used for 52 years, so far..

 

[AirNGasman]

This China made 2240 is not only worse than any other crosman I've ever handled it's not even trying to be made here.

Obviously you missed Crosman's 'classic to plastic' devolution (my term for it) DEVOLUTION of the late twentieth century, when virtually all their guns were of PLASTIC, pot-metal and stamped-steel construction; literally disposable junk.

BTW, FYI and FWIW, far as I know all that garbage was built in the U.S. (decades ago)!





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