Crosman pellet confusion

[Hateful McNasty]

I'll have to disagree with that statement based on my findings and side by side comparisons.

The tumbler filled to the critical heap level along with water and a couple drops of Dawn, allow for a very light cascade, buffered by the SST pins and water.

It's amazing just how gentle this is in actuality.

The "hammock" can really abrade the exterior quickly.

I use this as well but no extra medium



Just don't have to separate and plenty knocked off from the pellets tumbling into each other ..

No biggie it's just one of them you do what you find best for you . There's no one perfect way .. if it works that's what matters in the end ..

 

[Bedrock Bob]

The SS media is best for gold and silver jewelry. It stands to reason it would work best with lead pellets.

The towel can be harsh. I've scratched up resin castings drying them off in a towel in a bunch. You sure don't have to give them much action to beat them up. Stones too. It will crack them along the faults and scratch up the corners. Without media the lead bangs together. Lead has a good impact because of its high mass density. That works even if it is just tumbling. It needs media to keep it from impacting and scratching up.

Mr. Mcnasty- I've got a Thumlers and an old Lortone just like yours. The Thumlers is for brass polishing and turns at a different speed than the Lortone designed for stones.

Firewalker - Do you know what speed yours rotates? Is it designed for brass prep or rock tumbling?

I THINK the brass tumblers turn twice as fast as the rock tumblers. I need to go plug them in and refresh my memory which one turns faster.

The vibrating tumbler sure works dandy on jacketed bullets. I used corn cob and a little wax with moly powder. Just a teaspoon or so water on the media before I added the wax.

The results looked great but I'm undecided if it made much difference. A pellet has such little bearing surface I'm skeptical of the effectiveness of moly coating. It sure would be nice to clean them up a bit.

I'm not sure what the black soot is on the pellets. It's not "lead". I think it's Graphite parting compound or something similar. I've wondered if it's there on purpose to slick things up a little. It sure coats the barrel after a couple thousand shots. I honestly don't see much accuracy drop if the barrel is loaded with the stuff. It's just messy on your fingers.

"Leading" just isn't a problem with any pellet gun I've had. I may get a few tiny flakes out on the first patch but that is just some flakes cut from the rifling.

The Cometa has almost 20k shots through it since the last week of September when I received it. I've only patched it a couple times. I don't shoot a lot of paper and I don't have a scope on it so it might make a LITTLE difference. Not enough to notice in my shooting routine.

Guys shooting close patterns may see the difference in accuracy but I certainly don't. I'll clean the bore when I service the rifle simply because it's what I do. Not because I see any difference in the way it shoots.

 

[BABz58]

Wow so funny .. lol. I think more leaning to pellet snobish

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It's just so funny

Myself I shoot to my convenience not the guns and I guess I'm lucky cause all my stuff shoots Walmart crosmans just as good if not better then most fancy 2$0 a tin mail-order pellets

Lol..

Better stock up. I’ve heard Crosman pellets are being discontinued.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Better stock up. I’ve heard Crosman pellets are being discontinued.

Heresy! Blasphemy! It's the fake news media manipulating us!

Really?

I hope it's not true.

I wonder which pellet Walmart will carry? Sportsman's Warehouse? Crosmans are the only thing you can buy here without ordering....

The Norma Golden Trophy are clean and shoot dandy. Almost as cheap as Crosmans. They size a bit smaller but they are consistent. They come in an 800 count pack if you can find them. I'd shoot the heck out of those pellets if I couldn't get Crosmans.

 

[BABz58]

Heresy! Blasphemy! It's the fake news media manipulating us!

Really? I hope it's not true.

I wonder which pellet Walmart will carry? Sportsman's Warehouse? Crosmans are the only thing you can buy here without ordering....

 

[Bedrock Bob]

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Those wadcutters and the "essentials" are not something I use so I suppose I don't have to rend my clothes and cut off my dreadlocks yet.

The response was AI generated. I won't believe it until Alex Jones tells me if it's true or not...

 

[BABz58]

Those wadcutters and the "essentials" are not something I use so I suppose I don't have to rend my clothes and cut off my dreadlocks yet.

The response was AI generated. I won't believe it until Alex Jones tells me if it's true or not...

Here’s another lol

Air gun manufacturer prepares to cut over 100 jobs and leave East Bloomfield

More than 100 jobs are on the chopping block in East Bloomfield as the Crosman Corporation prepares to downsize after decades in Ontario County.

www.whec.com

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Here’s another lol

Air gun manufacturer prepares to cut over 100 jobs and leave East Bloomfield

More than 100 jobs are on the chopping block in East Bloomfield as the Crosman Corporation prepares to downsize after decades in Ontario County.

www.whec.com

Yup. I heard that.

I read the thread here about Crosman reorganizing after a change in business structure. It stands to reason they would discontinue some pellets. Maybe discontinue other things. They market all sorts of accessories.

Edit - Daisy? I heard it was Gamo....

 

[Firewalker]

I use this as well but no extra medium

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Just don't have to separate and plenty knocked off from the pellets tumbling into each other ..

No biggie it's just one of them you do what you find best for you . There's no one perfect way .. if it works that's what matters in the end ..

The Rebel 15 barrels are identical to the Thumblers Tumblers 15#.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

The Rebel 15 barrels are identical to the Thumblers Tumblers 15#.

The Lortone 15# as well. I use Thumlers liners and gaskets and they fit (almost) perfectly.

The only difference in my machine is the rotational speed. The Thumlers (for polishing brass) turns at a different speed than the Lortone (for tumbling rocks).

 

[Hateful McNasty]

The Rebel 15 barrels are identical to the Thumblers Tumblers 15#.

Good to know

The Lortone 15# as well. I use Thumlers liners and gaskets and they fit (almost) perfectly.

The only difference in my machine is the rotational speed. The Thumlers (for polishing brass) turns at a different speed than the Lortone (for tumbling rocks).

Ya I've read on the speed thing as well

I've had mine for like 30 ++ years or something. Only thing to go bad so far ( knock on wood ) is the drive belt .. I use the extra canister oil filter gaskets that fit my tractor ... Just right don't stress or break easy too .. like made for it ..lol

 

[Firewalker]

Staying away from politics, Antimony has gone up sharply recently, it's used to increase and control lead hardness.

CPHP's use a lot (comparatively) of it so I expect a sharp price rise in the 2nd or 3rd quarter for Daisy.

 

[RM100GUY]

Member fullpower, I did this test just for you...Consider the results. Question; do Crosman pellets mess up the bore of a airgun? Testing JSB 18's, CPHP's, CP domes, JTS 18's, and last and final group JSB 14.35's.
All shot at 34 measured yards off my knee nonbenched with a Taipan Mutant standard shooting JSB 18's at 890 fps. Barrel wasn't cleaned for test...infact it already had all these pellets shot through it for days before. Some wind.
Group 1 to 4 three shots each but not JSB 14.35's. Only last group for them...I forgot I had 'em.
Group 5 is 3 each shot back to back at same point of aim. 12 shots.
Group 6 and 7 15 each CPHP''s and JSB 18's.
Group 8 is 15 CP domes.
Group 9 is JTS 18's, (not last group 11 is.)
Group 10 JSB 18's, same as group 1, was some wind with this one.
Group 11. JSB 14.35's, after all those different pellets in different numbers and orders, best group of the test. How fitting!
I only use MP5 or equivalent and Bounty paper towels to clean my barrels...then not much.
I shoot a lot, I shoot often. Crosman pellets aren't the best but they have their place.

I've shot dump truck loads of them...I never worried about anything except running out of them!

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Staying away from politics, Antimony has gone up sharply recently, it's used to increase and control lead hardness.

CPHP's use a lot (comparatively) of it so I expect a sharp price rise in the 2nd or 3rd quarter for Daisy.

It's funny before COVID this was a fun enjoyable affordable hobby . How it took a hard turn after COVID its not .

But every hobby starts fun and affordable then the wind changes and it not and fades away from a big following to have sky anybody at all

I don't collect or buy jewelry do to buy stuff I shoot and shoot a lot as affordable and convenient as possible and practical guns . These crosman pellets everyday Walmart keeps that afloat . I imagine if they get gone I'll just chunk this airgun stuff in the closet along with the other hobbies past ..lol

 

[BABz58]

It's funny before COVID this was a fun enjoyable affordable hobby . How it took a hard turn after COVID its not .

But every hobby starts fun and affordable then the wind changes and it not and fades away from a big following to have sky anybody at all

I don't collect or buy jewelry do to buy stuff I shoot and shoot a lot as affordable and convenient as possible and practical guns . These crosman pellets everyday Walmart keeps that afloat . I imagine if they get gone I'll just chunk this airgun stuff in the closet along with the other hobbies past ..lol

Or simply stock up now while they are cheap and available

 

[fullpower]

I hadn't heard about the possibility of the barrel leading up differently due to the different pellet compositions. I'm not saying it's true or untrue; it's a new concept to me. I do believe that premium barrels do not lead up much and so firm-fitting patch on a pull cord will clean those barrels well. I haven't put in the time and testing on cheaper barrels to tell you what happens there.

The reason I generally don't shoot Crosmans is because I find them to be inconsistent on size. It's to the point where loading a break barrel springer, some put heavy marks in my thumb and others drop in and want to fall out when I close the gun. As such they've never shot with great accuracy in my guns and so I associate that with the varying sizes.

Scrubbing a barrel could mean a lot of things but I would say that to mean a deep cleaning. On my airguns it would be a few strokes of a bronze brush, or for a new barrel that's not shooting awesome I have used JB Bore Paste for several strokes to help polish it. 99% of the time I'm only pulling patches and about half of the time I'll pull a wet patch.

Hello dgeeaman, Interesting comments. Thanks for replying. I didn’t realize that high quality premium barrels were less likely to lead up. That’s reassuring info. Also I haven’t notice a great difference in head or skirt size with Crosman’s . I’ll have to watch out for that going forward.

 

[fullpower]

The search for the "Magic Pellet" your rifle likes is all part of the rabbit hole we are running through. If your rifle shoots Crosman pellets well, then congratulations, you found it! Some rifles and shooters like them and they are available in big box stores. I can think of ONE store in a fifty mile radius that stocks JSB and H&N pellets.

I would only recommend a harsh barrel cleaning like you are referring to if your rifle's accuracy declines. Then I would check out some videos on youtube or rumble before going crazy on a barrel. I have never needed to go to extremes on a barrel but everyone's mileage varies in this rabbit hole.

I have a few break barrels that I cleaned the barrel when purchased and I have not had to clean them since. I shoot H&N pellets and they are my "Magic Pellet" for most of my rifles. German barrel, German pellet. I usually purchase pellets in groups of ten tins to save a little cash and always have some on hand.

Have fun and shoot some soup cans!

I wish I could be content just shooting soup cans . Unfortunately I cursed with always wanting to shoot very small targets and 10 meter bulls eye targets at to far distances. I get constant immediate reinforcement on just how bad I’m shooting. But occasionally I do pull off a string of fantastic longest distance shots that keeps me coming back for more.

 

[fullpower]

I'll second mcnasty, I find CPHP's to be very acceptable in most of my guns.

Last year I shot CPHP's at a 100 yard plate at speeds in excess of 1000fps with a 3.85" repeatable group.

I do recognize that there is some antimony in the lead and hardness is about 11-12, up from 9-10 JSB's but leading at a slow 1000fps? Just isn't a thing unless the bore is rough.

That said, a good hand lapping, polish and wax all but eliminates lead build-up, break-in and fouling shots and a single tight patch cleans the bore.

Having been a bullet caster for too long, I've never seen bad leading in a rifle or pistol with speeds under 1800fps and the rule, scientifically speaking, is that you increase lead hardness the faster you shoot bullets.

Counterintuitive to what is preached here, soft lead by any measure, should gall and smear first.

Long rant, feel free to argue, all my best to you all on this glorious day.

All that makes good sense to me. All my air rifles are definitely under 1800 ft/ sec. I’ll have to do some research into hand lapping , polishing and waxing a barrel as have
never heard of it.

 

[fullpower]

I empty 10 tins of CPHP's into my tumbler with 5 pounds of stainless steel pins, fill with water and a couple drops of Dawn for 30 minutes.

Dry them on a towel and spray a few quick pumps of Balistol on the heap and hammock roll them.

Re-tin and shoot.

Very helpful information there.

 

[fullpower]

Member fullpower, I did this test just for you...Consider the results. Question; do Crosman pellets mess up the bore of a airgun? Testing JSB 18's, CPHP's, CP domes, JTS 18's, and last and final group JSB 14.35's.
All shot at 34 measured yards off my knee nonbenched with a Taipan Mutant standard shooting JSB 18's at 890 fps. Barrel wasn't cleaned for test...infact it already had all these pellets shot through it for days before. Some wind.
Group 1 to 4 three shots each but not JSB 14.35's. Only last group for them...I forgot I had 'em.
Group 5 is 3 each shot back to back at same point of aim. 12 shots.
Group 6 and 7 15 each CPHP''s and JSB 18's.
Group 8 is 15 CP domes.
Group 9 is JTS 18's, (not last group 11 is.)
Group 10 JSB 18's, same as group 1, was some wind with this one.
Group 11. JSB 14.35's, after all those different pellets in different numbers and orders, best group of the test. How fitting!
I only use MP5 or equivalent and Bounty paper towels to clean my barrels...then not much.
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I've shot dump truck loads of them...I never worried about anything except running out of them!

RM100Guy, Now that is a serious comparison test. Thanks for taking the time to document this and some really good shooting there and no bench rest. . I like the fact that the only thing you worry about is run-in* out of them ha!