Crosman pellet confusion

[fullpower]

I have a question about using Corpsman pellets as some experienced shooters here state that they never use them and proceeded to explain why.I use Crosman’s all the time in my guns and now I’m a bit concerned about it .
It apears that Crosman’s are of a harder composition, and may deposit this or lead up the barrel’s grooves which can only be cleaned out by a thorough scrubbing. The problem comes when switching to a softer pellet such asJSB’s‘s , Air Arms, or H&N’s . These more expensive softer pellets will then not perform as well as they should because the barrel is already lined with the harder Crosman residue and the softer lead will not replace the hard Crosman residue. . The softer lead will not clean this out. I generally switched between brands during a shooting session which I didn’t think was a problem other than it takes a few shots to get the barrel adjusted to the new brand. .
They also state that a well seasond barrel with thousands of shots using quality soft pellets can be negated by put 6 Crosman’s through it. Yeaks! My Pro Sport .22 shoots washed and lubed Crosman pointed ,as good as AA or JSB’s 16 gr’s . My Diana 54 shoots Crosman’s 7.9 almost as accurate as the 10.65 Baracuda Match which are more expensive.
Also what is scrubbing a barrel? The only thing I ever put through mine is a pull string, or a bore snake andthat’s it. The last thing I want to do is risk sticking a brush down there as I’m always afraid somethings gonna get stuck or I’m gonna damage the soft riffling groves .
Am I losing some accuracy in my guns when I’m switching between Crossman’s and other pellets without scrubbing the barrel every time?
also is there a simple safe way to scrub the barrel with 0% chance of doing any damage ? I don’t think a pull through will do it.
Thanks for reading and I would appreciate any opinions on this.
Al

 

[dgeesaman]

I hadn't heard about the possibility of the barrel leading up differently due to the different pellet compositions. I'm not saying it's true or untrue; it's a new concept to me. I do believe that premium barrels do not lead up much and so firm-fitting patch on a pull cord will clean those barrels well. I haven't put in the time and testing on cheaper barrels to tell you what happens there.

The reason I generally don't shoot Crosmans is because I find them to be inconsistent on size. It's to the point where loading a break barrel springer, some put heavy marks in my thumb and others drop in and want to fall out when I close the gun. As such they've never shot with great accuracy in my guns and so I associate that with the varying sizes.

Scrubbing a barrel could mean a lot of things but I would say that to mean a deep cleaning. On my airguns it would be a few strokes of a bronze brush, or for a new barrel that's not shooting awesome I have used JB Bore Paste for several strokes to help polish it. 99% of the time I'm only pulling patches and about half of the time I'll pull a wet patch.

 

[Struckat]

I wash Crosmans because they are so dirty. I bash them because none of my guns shoot them well. They are not consistent in size. Not even close.

Except for an Air Force I just picked up. That one seems to shoot them well.

Some people have barrels that love them.

 

[maxtrouble]

The search for the "Magic Pellet" your rifle likes is all part of the rabbit hole we are running through. If your rifle shoots Crosman pellets well, then congratulations, you found it! Some rifles and shooters like them and they are available in big box stores. I can think of ONE store in a fifty mile radius that stocks JSB and H&N pellets.

I would only recommend a harsh barrel cleaning like you are referring to if your rifle's accuracy declines. Then I would check out some videos on youtube or rumble before going crazy on a barrel. I have never needed to go to extremes on a barrel but everyone's mileage varies in this rabbit hole.

I have a few break barrels that I cleaned the barrel when purchased and I have not had to clean them since. I shoot H&N pellets and they are my "Magic Pellet" for most of my rifles. German barrel, German pellet. I usually purchase pellets in groups of ten tins to save a little cash and always have some on hand.

Have fun and shoot some soup cans!

 

[rokonman]

I am no scientist but I can tell you I have read that leading from the Premiers only becomes a thing over 800fps. I have shot tin after tin of them over and under that velocity without a problem. The hard lead certainly makes them less susceptible to skirt damage. The boxed premiers were very uniform in size, the tins not so much.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Wow so funny .. lol. I think more leaning to pellet snobish



It's just so funny

Myself I shoot to my convenience not the guns and I guess I'm lucky cause all my stuff shoots Walmart crosmans just as good if not better then most fancy 2$0 a tin mail-order pellets

Lol..

 

[Firewalker]

I'll second mcnasty, I find CPHP's to be very acceptable in most of my guns.

Last year I shot CPHP's at a 100 yard plate at speeds in excess of 1000fps with a 3.85" repeatable group.

I do recognize that there is some antimony in the lead and hardness is about 11-12, up from 9-10 JSB's but leading at a slow 1000fps? Just isn't a thing unless the bore is rough.

That said, a good hand lapping, polish and wax all but eliminates lead build-up, break-in and fouling shots and a single tight patch cleans the bore.

Having been a bullet caster for too long, I've never seen bad leading in a rifle or pistol with speeds under 1800fps and the rule, scientifically speaking, is that you increase lead hardness the faster you shoot bullets.

Counterintuitive to what is preached here, soft lead by any measure, should gall and smear first.

Long rant, feel free to argue, all my best to you all on this glorious day.

 

[Arzrover]

They generally seem ok in most of my rifles for plinking. I would not compete with them though. Only slightly alluded to in previous posts is just how dirty they are. I'm not sure what they have on them... some kind of molding lube possibly... but it's pretty bad... clean them and lube if you have any intent of using other pellets...
My process is to wash twice or 3 times with white gas (camp stove fuel) which seems to really take the crap off and leave a sparkling clean pellet, then roll them on a pad with either Slick50 1Lube or Gunzilla as I use them. The Gunzilla seems better at higher speeds to me.
OR I just shoot em and don't worry about it in some rifles... They are my number one choice to push through bores to feel consistency though... the hardness helps with the feel and of course, the cost is lower...
Bob

 

[Hateful McNasty]

They generally seem ok in most of my rifles for plinking. I would not compete with them though. Only slightly alluded to in previous posts is just how dirty they are. I'm not sure what they have on them... some kind of molding lube possibly... but it's pretty bad... clean them and lube if you have any intent of using other pellets...
My process is to wash twice or 3 times with white gas (camp stove fuel) which seems to really take the crap off and leave a sparkling clean pellet, then roll them on a pad with either Slick50 1Lube or Gunzilla as I use them. The Gunzilla seems better at higher speeds to me.
OR I just shoot em and don't worry about it in some rifles... They are my number one choice to push through bores to feel consistency though... the hardness helps with the feel and of course, the cost is lower...
Bob

The old pre COVID ones were dirty and had that gray like graphite lube on them that would stain fingers

These post covid like todays dont and pretty clean shiny . I rarely get any stuff in the tin unlike before as well .

Still I do clean and lube as always . Habit ?? Lol just my thing I guess .

 

[Firewalker]

I empty 10 tins of CPHP's into my tumbler with 5 pounds of stainless steel pins, fill with water and a couple drops of Dawn for 30 minutes.

Dry them on a towel and spray a few quick pumps of Balistol on the heap and hammock roll them.

Re-tin and shoot.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

I empty 10 tins of CPHP's into my tumbler with 5 pounds of stainless steel pins, fill with water and a couple drops of Dawn for 30 minutes.

Dry them on a towel and spray a few quick pumps of Balistol on the heap and hammock roll them.

Re-tin and shoot.

Great info!

Do you use a rotary or vibrating tumbler?

I tumble all sorts of things from stones to resin castings. I've always wanted to tumble the black off the crosmans and wax them a little. Just haven't got around to it yet.

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FWIW, I shoot the heck out of Crosman pellets (.22 cal) The domes you get from Pyramid fit better and shoot ALMOST as well as any other pellet I've tried in any of my rifles. They are cheap but not as cheap as Walmart.

The Wal Mart CPHP really varies in size. Lots of small ones.

I've shot about 100K of them this year between the CP Domes from Pyramid and the CPHP from Walmart, and there IS a difference in diameter tolerance. The loose ones shoot high, and you can bet on it. And there are MANY more loose ones in a tin of CPHP.

Still, they are a value. I shoot good patterns with them. If a couple flies, I can chalk it up to the pellet. They are only $7 a tin. If you sorted them, I bet half would be as good as pellets that cost four times as much.

 

[airgunmike56]

Non of my High dollar Guns , RTI, Cricket, Vulcan, Uragan, Vulcan, Veterans X2 will shoot the Crosman pellets accurate,,
Non odd I have a few what I call cheap pistols , PP700 PP 750 and the Rex, That shoot the 14 gr 22 caliber crosman pellets pretty good,
OOPS side note the new Premier .22 Crosman 19 gr pellets shoot very good in one of my Bull pups , I forgot which one , DUH....
Mike

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Great info!

Do you use a rotary or vibrating tumbler?

I tumble all sorts of things from stones to resin castings. I've always wanted to tumble the black off the crosmans and wax them a little. Just haven't got around to it yet.

‐--‐-‐-----‐-

FWIW, I shoot the heck out of Crosman pellets (.22 cal) The domes you get from Pyramid fit better and shoot ALMOST as well as any other pellet I've tried in any of my rifles. They are cheap but not as cheap as Walmart.

The Wal Mart CPHP really varies in size. Lots of small ones.

I've shot about 100K of them this year between the CP Domes from Pyramid and the CPHP from Walmart, and there IS a difference in diameter tolerance. The loose ones shoot high, and you can bet on it. And there are MANY more loose ones in a tin of CPHP.

Still, they are a value. I shoot good patterns with them. If a couple flies, I can chalk it up to the pellet. They are only $7 a tin. If you sorted them, I bet half would be as good as pellets that cost four times as much.

I tumble as well every pellet used . I just don't use a meada in the tumble process .

 

[Struckat]

I have 3 tins of 22 washed and lubed. Just picked my first guns that seems to shoot them well. Joy.

My AA 500 will never try them as there is no point. I am a low volume shooter so I feed it what it likes best.

The Talon I bought recently likes CPHP and the Apollo 17gr wadcutters!

 

[beerthief]

The search for the "Magic Pellet" your rifle likes is all part of the rabbit hole we are running through. If your rifle shoots Crosman pellets well, then congratulations, you found it! Some rifles and shooters like them and they are available in big box stores. I can think of ONE store in a fifty mile radius that stocks JSB and H&N pellets.

I would only recommend a harsh barrel cleaning like you are referring to if your rifle's accuracy declines. Then I would check out some videos on youtube or rumble before going crazy on a barrel. I have never needed to go to extremes on a barrel but everyone's mileage varies in this rabbit hole.

I have a few break barrels that I cleaned the barrel when purchased and I have not had to clean them since. I shoot H&N pellets and they are my "Magic Pellet" for most of my rifles. German barrel, German pellet. I usually purchase pellets in groups of ten tins to save a little cash and always have some on hand.

Have fun and shoot some soup cans!

WOW , a store within 50 miles of home , "the stuff dreams are made of "

 

[Struckat]

I should tumble the Daisies I have. That may take all the flashing off of them.

 

[Firewalker]

Great info!

Do you use a rotary or vibrating tumbler?

Rebel 15 rotary tumbler.

 

[Firewalker]

I should tumble the Daisies I have. That may take all the flashing off of them.

They are softer and the skirts are thinner, go slow and check often.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I should tumble the Daisies I have. That may take all the flashing off of them.

They are softer and the skirts are thinner, go slow and check often.

I hand tumble wash and dry and lube in a rag






Just shake/ rock them back and forth like shoeshine action . It's a kinder gentler way ..

 

[Firewalker]

I hand tumble wash and dry and lube in a rag

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Just shake/ rock them back and forth like shoeshine action . It's a kinder gentler way ..

I'll have to disagree with that statement based on my findings and side by side comparisons.

The tumbler filled to the critical heap level along with water and a couple drops of Dawn, allow for a very light cascade, buffered by the SST pins and water.

It's amazing just how gentle this is in actuality.

The "hammock" can really abrade the exterior quickly.