Cylinder pressure drop due to cooling

The atoms and molecules that make up the various layers in the atmosphere are constantly moving in random directions. Despite their tiny size, when they strike a surface they exert a force on that surface in what we observe as pressure.

Each molecule is too small to feel and only exerts a tiny bit of force. However, when we sum the total forces from the large number of molecules that strike a surface each moment, then the total observed pressure can be considerable.

Air pressure can be increased (or decreased) one of two ways. First, simply adding molecules to any particular container will increase the pressure. A larger number of molecules in any particular container will increase the number of collisions with the container's boundary which is observed as an increase in pressure.

A good example of this is adding (or subtracting) air in an automobile tire. By adding air, the number of molecules increase as well the total number of the collisions with the tire's inner boundary. The increased number of collisions forces the tire's pressure increase to expand in size.

The second way of increasing (or decreasing) is by the addition (or subtraction) of heat. Adding heat to any particular container can transfer energy to air molecules. The molecules therefore move with increased velocity striking the container's boundary with greater force and is observed as an increase in pressure.
 
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The atoms and molecules that make up the various layers in the atmosphere are constantly moving in random directions. Despite their tiny size, when they strike a surface they exert a force on that surface in what we observe as pressure.

Each molecule is too small to feel and only exerts a tiny bit of force. However, when we sum the total forces from the large number of molecules that strike a surface each moment, then the total observed pressure can be considerable.

Air pressure can be increased (or decreased) one of two ways. First, simply adding molecules to any particular container will increase the pressure. A larger number of molecules in any particular container will increase the number of collisions with the container's boundary which is observed as an increase in pressure.

A good example of this is adding (or subtracting) air in an automobile tire. By adding air, the number of molecules increase as well the total number of the collisions with the tire's inner boundary. The increased number of collisions forces the tire's pressure increase to expand in size.

The second way of increasing (or decreasing) is by the addition (or subtraction) of heat. Adding heat to any particular container can transfer energy to air molecules. The molecules therefore move with increased velocity striking the container's boundary with greater force and is observed as an increase in pressure.
Thank you for the detailed explanation of air pressure. Now what I really want to know is a 600 PSI pressure drop normal as a freshly filled cylinder cools.

OFG
 
Dive shops that know/care about correct procedure will fill to 4500psi, let it cool & THEN top off. Ask them do that next time to get your money's worth. The loss of pressure from cooling is normal & to be expected, especially if they filled it in 5 minutes. 600psi loss is not abnormal for that fast a fill. Just be smarter than the person filling the tank ;) (y) BTW, 1st time it happened to me I brought it back to the shop & showed the pressure loss. From that point on they did it correctly.
 
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The ideal gas law (pV=nRT) suggests the initial temperature was about 150F, cooling down to a typical room temperate around 70F.

Air at that pressure doesn't quite behave as an ideal gas but that's at least in the ballpark.
Grateful for all the knowledgeable replies. Good to know it is normal. Next fill will ask for a cool down & top off.

OFG