Daisy 901 Questions

Hello Everyone-I'm new to Airgun Nation. Last weekend I was "gifted" a new in the box Daisy 901 Duck Commander. The box is date May of 2013. I in turn will be giving it to my daughter for her birthday later this month. I have several questions about this rifle. Keep in mind it is still zip tied in the box. The instruction Manuel is sitting underneath the gun and I'm not pulling it out until she opens the package on her birthday (I'm old fashioned that way).

First, I'm not new to Airguns per say. I grew up with them as a kid but shot BB's only....I lost interest in my High School and College years but became a firearms and hunting enthusiast when I became an adult. My guns growing up were the Daisy Youth Model 105 and the Crossman AIR 17 both of which I've already passed down to my daughter. She loves them.

Here are my questions about the Daisy 901

1. While this gun has been sitting brand new in the box for 10 years in a climate controlled room, I've got to believe that it's still going to need to be oiled before we shoot it on her birthday...right? Or am am I wrong. If the gun needs to be re-oiled what would you recommend? I "think"I read that it needs to be 30 weight non detergent oil...any recommendations on brand etc.

2. Do they make a bore rod or bore snake that you would recommend for initial cleaning of the barrel? Also what do you guys use for cleaning the barrel of an airgun?

3. Due to the rifled barrel, this will be strictly a pellet gun. Can anyone suggest a brand and grain size of pellet that seems to perform best in the 901. We will be shooting lots of paper along with soup cans etc. I want something that flies straight but still has enough umph to zip through a soup can at 10-25+ yards.

4. I have relatively good size hands . Any tips on getting those little .177's to load properly and efficiently?

I still have time to order the pellets before her birthday. I'm not opposed to going to Wall Mart or Accademy etc. but if there is a better place with a better selection, I would love to know. Thanks in advance for your guidance!
 
Good on ya for keeping her interested in the sport!

It should be fine, but lubing it with Pellgun oil wouldn't hurt it. Wal-Mart carries it. You can probably find a couple of different types of pellets at the same place. I'd get her wadcutters for target shooting and round-nosed for plinking. I've had poor luck with Gamo brand pellets with a number of airguns, but you might be able to find that guns preference with an internet search.

I have an Outers .177 cleaning rod/kit that I picked up at a gun store. They're widely available.

I have tiny little itty-bitty fingers, so I can't offer you any pellet-loading advice.

Good luck,

J~
 
Hey glad to hear you are here and back in the AG world. And bringing your daughter along for the great experience!

I've a friend whose childhood gun was the 901. I actually re sealed and rebarreled his for him a few months ago. His was shot a zillion times so yours being NIB is different. It may seal up and be just fine or may leak. You'll have to find that out.

As for #1 , we all would recommend Crosman Pell Gun Oil. Some people make their own out of Automatic Transmission Fluid (the good Alphabet org lol) but those little tubes of PGO work great for me. Like $4 at Walmart.

There is a spot when you open the pump like you're going to pump that is where there's a black round sponge. You oil that.

#2 yes good idea to clean the barrel 1st. Do not ever use firearm cleaning solvents (Hoppes 9) to clean airguns like these. That will eat the O rings away. People have good luck with Ballistol if you do need to use something to clean it.

But before using cleaners they make these Pellets that you load like normal and shoot out to clean it. I have also found pumping full power and shooting just the heads of a Q tip through work just as well.

Any .177 cleaning rod will work but you'd probably take 901 apart to get the barrel out to clean it from breach to muzzle to not damage the crown. Or you can try Patchworm. However the breach area with the bolt open is tiny and that may not work.

#3 first try some Crosman Premier Hollow Point from Wal mart and see how those do. They are stupid cheap. But next if you want more power Crosman also makes a 10.5's grain pellet that will hit hard. Im not sure what is actually more accurate because my friend just plinks with his. Like metal cans and stuff so all those will hit a can accurate. You'll probably like the 10.5s for their energy. But my friend uses these Hunting pellets for that use with good luck.

#4 yeah we have that same problem lol especially when it is scoped! 1st thing is just never load BBs in the reservoir so it wont auto load one. Next you could try some Pointed pellets that may help loading. But a tip is to roll it over from right to left into the little slot. Either that or pinch just the skirt with your index and thumb and load in. Or get some tiny pliers. Or actually just make your daughter load for practice and cause she probably has smaller hands lol It's odd sometimes when I load I would hold the head of the pellet and drop it in and the weight would make it flip into the correct place. So basically just trial and error for loading.

All pellets I recommended so far have been cheaper stuff from Walmart or Amazon. But you can go to Pyramyd and try expensive ones that are made better like JSB 8.44 gr and that website has a deal where you order 4 tins and the 4th is free. They get you on shipping though unlike Walmart or Amazon. Or if you have Academy near.

Last thing is that gun is backwards to me compared to my Daisy 856 Powerline because your 901 has to be cooked (bolt back) BEFORE you pump. Otherwise it dumps air out and doesn't compress it. So make sure you do that before you think it's broken and leaking. Also I am always surprised at the 901 for its ease of cocking. It is not hard and doesn't increase with pumps some how.

And if you want to quiet it down to the point you question it even went off (I'm serious it's that quiet) then you should check out Buck Rail's offering. The gun is not loud in stock form (quieter than my 856 due to 901 barrel being longer) its just this is so ridiculously quiet on the 901.

Let me know if it leaks but I hope you luck out and have a great time with your daughter!!
 
Good on ya for keeping her interested in the sport!

It should be fine, but lubing it with Pellgun oil wouldn't hurt it. Wal-Mart carries it. You can probably find a couple of different types of pellets at the same place. I'd get her wadcutters for target shooting and round-nosed for plinking. I've had poor luck with Gamo brand pellets with a number of airguns, but you might be able to find that guns preference with an internet search.

I have an Outers .177 cleaning rod/kit that I picked up at a gun store. They're widely available.

I have tiny little itty-bitty fingers, so I can't offer you any pellet-loading advice.

Good luck,

J~
 
Treefrog-Thanks for the advice. Yes, I was thinking wadcutters for punching paper for sure. Also, thanks for the heads up about Crossman Pellgun....That is what I will use. Thank You again for chiming in. Yep, she loves shooting both of the BB guns so I think she's going to LOVE the pellet gun experience. I must say that I'm impressed with the fact that Daisy threw on that fiber optic front sight. I've always liked those. In-Fact I've started contemplating the purchase of a Springer to add to the mix. I have no idea which Springer to buy. I do know that whatever Springer I decide on I will want fiber optic sights. I've heard those rifles can be very hard on scopes. Of course the ability to mount a quality optic later is a huge plus. The other thing I can't decide is should I go .22 or .25 in a springer....I've heard .30 caliber is great, but that .30 is really better for PCP and I doubt I'll get into PCP's anytime soon....Any thoughts on that? I love Power but for that kind of gun I would want something that is also known for it's accuracy. If I do get the Springer I really might want to do some small game hunting. I've researched the Hatson and Gamo's and can't even begin to decide but I know that there are other options available in .22, .25, and maybe .30....as well. I'm not worried about cooking effort but it would be a consideration after accuracy, power and overall craftsmanship...Any thoughts?
 
Hey glad to hear you are here and back in the AG world. And bringing your daughter along for the great experience!

I've a friend whose childhood gun was the 901. I actually re sealed and rebarreled his for him a few months ago. His was shot a zillion times so yours being NIB is different. It may seal up and be just fine or may leak. You'll have to find that out.

As for #1 , we all would recommend Crosman Pell Gun Oil. Some people make their own out of Automatic Transmission Fluid (the good 3 letter organization lol) but those little tubes of PGO work great for me. Like $4 at Walmart.

There is a spot when you open the pump like you're going to pump that is where there's a black round sponge. You oil that.

#2 yes good idea to clean the barrel 1st. Do not ever use firearm cleaning solvents (Hoppes 9) to clean airguns like these. That will eat the O rings away. People have good luck with Ballistol if you do need to use something to clean it.

But before using cleaners they make these Pellets that you load like normal and shoot out to clean it. I have also found pumping full power and shooting just the heads of a Q tip through work just as well.

Any .177 cleaning rod will work but you'd probably take 901 apart to get the barrel out to clean it from breach to muzzle to not damage the crown. Or you can try Patchworm. However the breach area with the bolt open is tiny and that may not work.

#3 first try some Crosman Premier Hollow Point from Wal mart and see how those do. They are stupid cheap. But next if you want more power Crosman also makes a 10.5's grain pellet that will hit hard. Im not sure what is actually more accurate because my friend just plinks with his. Like metal cans and stuff so all those will hit a can accurate. You'll probably like the 10.5s for their energy. But my friend uses these Hunting pellets for that use with good luck.

#4 yeah we have that same problem lol especially when it is scoped! 1st thing is just never load BBs in the reservoir so it wont auto load one. Next you could try some Pointed pellets that may help loading. But a tip is to roll it over from right to left into the little slot. Either that or pinch just the skirt with your index and thumb and load in. Or get some tiny pliers. Or actually just make your daughter load for practice and cause she probably has smaller hands lol It's odd sometimes when I load I would hold the head of the pellet and drop it in and the weight would make it flip into the correct place. So basically just trial and error for loading.

All pellets I recommended so far have been cheaper stuff from Walmart or Amazon. But you can go to Pyramyd and try expensive ones that are made better like JSB 8.44 gr and that website has a deal where you order 4 tins and the 4th is free. They get you on shipping though unlike Walmart or Amazon. Or if you have Academy near.

Last thing is that gun is backwards to me compared to my Daisy 856 Powerline because your 901 has to be cooked (bolt back) BEFORE you pump. Otherwise it dumps air out and doesn't compress it. So make sure you do that before you think it's broken and leaking. Also I am always surprised at the 901 for its ease of cocking. It is not hard and doesn't increase with pumps some how.

And if you want to quiet it down to the point you question it even went off (I'm serious it's that quiet) then you should check out Buck Rail's offering. The gun is not loud in stock form (quieter than my 856 due to 901 barrel being longer) its just this is so ridiculously quiet on the 901.

Let me know if it leaks but I hope you luck out and have a great time with your daughter!!
 
EmptyTin_Tim-So much good information here....Yea, if I can't clean from the breech then I will likely use those cleaning pellets or the Q-Tips...Have you ever had one get stuck in the barrel? Also, you bring up a good point about checking for a seel leek. How would I know? I haven't fired the rifle and dont have a baseline of comparison. What indicators should I look for to best determine if I've got an under powered gun or if it really is shooting just as it should from a power perspective....You've got me curious on this one.
 
A good way to check for leaking seal is pump it up, and listen for the hissss.
Also you can pump it up, load, and shoot it quickly. Then do the same, but wait 5 or 10 minutes before pulling the trigger. If it sounds much weaker or doesn’t shoot at all, you have a leak.

Enjoy, and have a good time with your daughter.
 
Treefrog-Thanks for the advice. Yes, I was thinking wadcutters for punching paper for sure. Also, thanks for the heads up about Crossman Pellgun....That is what I will use. Thank You again for chiming in. Yep, she loves shooting both of the BB guns so I think she's going to LOVE the pellet gun experience. I must say that I'm impressed with the fact that Daisy threw on that fiber optic front sight. I've always liked those. In-Fact I've started contemplating the purchase of a Springer to add to the mix. I have no idea which Springer to buy. I do know that whatever Springer I decide on I will want fiber optic sights. I've heard those rifles can be very hard on scopes. Of course the ability to mount a quality optic later is a huge plus. The other thing I can't decide is should I go .22 or .25 in a springer....I've heard .30 caliber is great, but that .30 is really better for PCP and I doubt I'll get into PCP's anytime soon....Any thoughts on that? I love Power but for that kind of gun I would want something that is also known for it's accuracy. If I do get the Springer I really might want to do some small game hunting. I've researched the Hatson and Gamo's and can't even begin to decide but I know that there are other options available in .22, .25, and maybe .30....as well. I'm not worried about cooking effort but it would be a consideration after accuracy, power and overall craftsmanship...Any thoughts?

It looks like you're on the right track. Good on ya! And you're welcome.

I'm the last guy you should ask about springers. I've had a few and never much liked them. They recoil the wrong way and have to be held very unlike a firearm to be accurate. That works very much against muscle memory in my case as I was trained up on/for firearms. Others here will be very happy to recommend something for you, though.

You might think about keeping an eye out for a used Sheridan Blue or Silver Streak to give her sometime down the road. You'll be impressed with the quality. She's very fortunate to have a father so involved in her life.

Best,

J~
 
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It looks like you're on the right track. Good on ya! And you're welcome.

I'm the last guy you should ask about springers. I've had a few and never much liked them. They recoil the wrong way and have to be held very unlike a firearm to be accurate. That works very much against muscle memory in my case as I was trained up on/for firearms. Others here will be very happy to recommend something for you, though.

You might think about keeping an eye out for a used Sheridan Blue or Silver Streak to give her sometime down the road. You'll be impressed with the quality. She's very fortunate to have a father so involved in her life.

Best,

J~
 
A good way to check for leaking seal is pump it up, and listen for the hissss.
Also you can pump it up, load, and shoot it quickly. Then do the same, but wait 5 or 10 minutes before pulling the trigger. If it sounds much weaker or doesn’t shoot at all, you have a leak.

Enjoy, and have a good time with your daughter.
 
I’m new to airguns but found that loading wadcutters is easier than loading pointed pellets. Consistently so.

If you were to read Daisy’s manual*, it might contain tips for loading. For example, with the 880 they advise pointing the gun downward. I find it best to have the gun pointing only slightly down, and the loading ramp fairly level left to right. As soon as the pellet sits inline, I then tilt the gun more downward to make it go forward, and then I push the bolt closed.

The 901 might prefer different pellets, but the 880 does OK with the Daisy pointed pellets sold at Walmart. The wadcutters are RWS R10 8.2 grain, which I like better. But, as stated, the 901 might have different tastes.

Oh...the night I got the 880 I checked all the screws. Ended up tightening all of them—some only a little bit, others more. Didn’t clean anything. I bought some cleaning pellets but haven’t used them yet (760 rounds shot at this point).

* Daisy publishes the manuals online, so you can read it without cracking open the paper one in the box.
 
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I’m new to airguns but found that loading wadcutters is easier than loading pointed pellets. Consistently so.

If you were to read Daisy’s manual*, it might contain tips for loading. For example, with the 880 they advise pointing the gun downward. I find it best to have the gun pointing only slightly down, and the loading ramp fairly level left to right. As soon as the pellet sits inline, I then tilt the gun more downward to make it go forward, and then I push the bolt closed.

The 901 might prefer different pellets, but the 880 does OK with the Daisy pointed pellets sold at Walmart. The wadcutters are RWS R10 8.2 grain, which I like better. But, as stated, the 901 might have different tastes.

Oh...the night I got the 880 I checked all the screws. Ended up tightening all of them—some only a little bit, others more. Didn’t clean anything. I bought some cleaning pellets but haven’t used them yet (760 rounds shot at this point).

* Daisy publishes the manuals online, so you can read it without cracking open the paper one in the box.
 
EmptyTin_Tim-So much good information here....Yea, if I can't clean from the breech then I will likely use those cleaning pellets or the Q-Tips...Have you ever had one get stuck in the barrel? Also, you bring up a good point about checking for a seel leek. How would I know? I haven't fired the rifle and dont have a baseline of comparison. What indicators should I look for to best determine if I've got an under powered gun or if it really is shooting just as it should from a power perspective....You've got me curious on this one.
No I've never had a Q tip stuck. The 901 puts out enough air once pumped up all the way. You just cut off the end of the Q tip just where the cotton attaches to the shaft so it is the same length as a pellet and you should be fine. You can shoot into a box so you can catch them and see the progress of it getting cleaner. But I'd recommend you shoot a few blanks or actual pellets before cleaning it because if it does end up being a leaker well to fix it you gotta take it apart and at that point it is way easier to clean since you can take out the barreled action and see all the way down it.

People referencing the Daisy 880 are right. This is the same internals. That's how I was able to fix my friends 901. I got a few parts from JG Airguns or actually my Amazon history says I got This seal kit from them but I think I just got a whole new barreled action as seen here from JG. He shot BBs through his the whole time and there are a definite difference between the old and new rifling. IMG_20220727_213008235.jpg

As far as wanting a chronograph. They make more expensive ones but I've had great luck with this one from Amazon. $35. It does some fancy stuff like track a string of shots but all I do is swap to FPS and write down my results on a doc and go from there. Technically I can't say it is accurate because I just have this one. But when I raise spring tension on my Avenger the FPS goes up. So has to be somewhat right lol This is worth a read. Others bought the same one.
Chronograph Thread Only thing to note is don't sight in your gun with that on. Just get FPS reading then take it off and sight in. It can affect accuracy from the shooting causing vibrations especially on a springer.

As for springers, you definitely get more power and it is more enjoyable to just break the barrel load and shoot instead of pump 10x load shoot.
I have the Crosman Fire from like 2016 that's still hitting spinners at 50 yards and also a Crosman Diamondback. That thing is a heavy beast. But only just under 19 FPE. So yeah PCP is more powerful but both my springer guns (actually Nitro piston) were like $100 each.

You do have to hold them differently than a PB gun or PCP or even your 901. But that's the trade off.

I wouldn't recommend a .30 the ammo is very expensive and more suited for a PCP even though they make this break barrel in .30 I'd recommend the .25 version if you wanted more than a .22. More FPS. But that gun is $300 which is a lot for a break barrel. There are more $ ones out there but for $300 you could get a PCP (I know-without hand pump scope mags etc those are extra $). Unless you do a Gamo Arrow but idk you'd probably end up wanting more power and get a different one down the road anyway.

Gamo and Daisy are the same company. My friends dad has one of those Gamos with the magazine that we finally got shooting well with JSB 8.44 gr. He likes it for the lightness and ease of having a magazine. But its jammed and dry fired itself too many times for my liking. I just use one of these pellet pens and have never had an issue with my single shot break barrels. Plus I can load whatever pellet in that vs a magazine you may need shorter (lighter weight) pellets.

Overall there are better break barrels out there than Gamo. Was just giving an example. But don't get all into the FPS craze marketing wants you to fall for. The sound barrier is 1100 fps or so and pellets do best flying about 850 fps. So if it claimed a high FPS that just means it won't be accurate unless you use a heavy pellet like I do a JSB heavy 10.34 gr in my Fire.

I would recommend a UTG/Leapers or Hawke brand scope if you end up getting one for the springer because those are supposed to be airgun rated. You have to get one Airgun rated otherwise the double recoil will break it. Also get a one piece scope mount with the most contact to the rail and also a stop pin that you tighten into a hole in the receiver or rail to keep it from moving.

Let us know if you have any questions this is the best place to get an idea of something airgun related.
 
No I've never had a Q tip stuck. The 901 puts out enough air once pumped up all the way. You just cut off the end of the Q tip just where the cotton attaches to the shaft so it is the same length as a pellet and you should be fine. You can shoot into a box so you can catch them and see the progress of it getting cleaner. But I'd recommend you shoot a few blanks or actual pellets before cleaning it because if it does end up being a leaker well to fix it you gotta take it apart and at that point it is way easier to clean since you can take out the barreled action and see all the way down it.

People referencing the Daisy 880 are right. This is the same internals. That's how I was able to fix my friends 901. I got a few parts from JG Airguns or actually my Amazon history says I got This seal kit from them but I think I just got a whole new barreled action as seen here from JG. He shot BBs through his the whole time and there are a definite difference between the old and new rifling. View attachment 356164

As far as wanting a chronograph. They make more expensive ones but I've had great luck with this one from Amazon. $35. It does some fancy stuff like track a string of shots but all I do is swap to FPS and write down my results on a doc and go from there. Technically I can't say it is accurate because I just have this one. But when I raise spring tension on my Avenger the FPS goes up. So has to be somewhat right lol This is worth a read. Others bought the same one.
Chronograph Thread Only thing to note is don't sight in your gun with that on. Just get FPS reading then take it off and sight in. It can affect accuracy from the shooting causing vibrations especially on a springer.

As for springers, you definitely get more power and it is more enjoyable to just break the barrel load and shoot instead of pump 10x load shoot.
I have the Crosman Fire from like 2016 that's still hitting spinners at 50 yards and also a Crosman Diamondback. That thing is a heavy beast. But only just under 19 FPE. So yeah PCP is more powerful but both my springer guns (actually Nitro piston) were like $100 each.

You do have to hold them differently than a PB gun or PCP or even your 901. But that's the trade off.

I wouldn't recommend a .30 the ammo is very expensive and more suited for a PCP even though they make this break barrel in .30 I'd recommend the .25 version if you wanted more than a .22. More FPS. But that gun is $300 which is a lot for a break barrel. There are more $ ones out there but for $300 you could get a PCP (I know-without hand pump scope mags etc those are extra $). Unless you do a Gamo Arrow but idk you'd probably end up wanting more power and get a different one down the road anyway.

Gamo and Daisy are the same company. My friends dad has one of those Gamos with the magazine that we finally got shooting well with JSB 8.44 gr. He likes it for the lightness and ease of having a magazine. But its jammed and dry fired itself too many times for my liking. I just use one of these pellet pens and have never had an issue with my single shot break barrels. Plus I can load whatever pellet in that vs a magazine you may need shorter (lighter weight) pellets.

Overall there are better break barrels out there than Gamo. Was just giving an example. But don't get all into the FPS craze marketing wants you to fall for. The sound barrier is 1100 fps or so and pellets do best flying about 850 fps. So if it claimed a high FPS that just means it won't be accurate unless you use a heavy pellet like I do a JSB heavy 10.34 gr in my Fire.

I would recommend a UTG/Leapers or Hawke brand scope if you end up getting one for the springer because those are supposed to be airgun rated. You have to get one Airgun rated otherwise the double recoil will break it. Also get a one piece scope mount with the most contact to the rail and also a stop pin that you tighten into a hole in the receiver or rail to keep it from moving.

Let us know if you have any questions this is the best place to get an idea of something airgun related.
 
Whoa! And I thought your last post was informative....You sir, are about to make me jump in to the deep end of the Airgun pool lol! I now have tons of questions....Where to begin. OK here goes.

1. PB Airgun-When you say PB is that a style of Airgun (A special technology likke PCP), or are you referring to the brand (PB) from the UK I believe? If it is a type of technology that I should be considering then please PLEASE let me know.
2. Pellet Pen- Will that work for the 901? Keep in mind I haven't cut it out of the box yet so I really haven't looked the gun over. I see immediately how it would be helpful for springers.
3. Leaks in the 901-If the rifle has a leak I would do my daughter a grave disservice trying to fix it myself. I'm just not handy with fixing things. How would I find a good repair guy? I've looked online and the nearest place I can find is 2 hours away. I called them when I first acquired the rifle and he says he doesn't really deal with pumps. What about Academy? Do they have guys on staff that can fix rifles? Perhaps I could mail it somewhere if need be but is there a link that you might have showing an up to date list of repair facilities and their locations?
4. I recently watched a couple YouTube videos. The first video the presenter shot the 901 out of the box with 10 pumps and then with 20 pumps (No I don't plan to do this). He then did what he calls a PBR upgrade to the rifle by replacing the factory abutment pin out and replacing it with a hardened steel abutment pin. He then re chronoed the rifle and the power increase was substantial....Even with the factory specified 10 pump limit....with 20 pumps the rifle was insanely fast...but again what damage could he be doing to other parts of the gun? Me personally, I'm all for creating more power but it would have to be done by a pro who could tune the rifle in a way that it was first SAFE but also in a way that wouldn't damage the gun.....I don't know if such modifications even exist for pneumatic pump air rifles....do they?
5. Gamo Magazine-This was extremely helpful. That inertia magazine was a big reason I was looking at Gamo and of course the power factor as well. If the mag tends to have fail to feed issues as you say then that could really put a damper on an afternoon of shooting. I suppose you could bypass the magazine and just load single shot. I'm still impressed with the Gamo's and am in no way knocking them and would still consider them, but your comment on the magazine will be taken into consideration. I'll bet the pellet pen would solve that issue.
5. Power- Yes, I like the idea of having a powerful fps rifle but what you say about needing a heavy pellet makes a whole lot of sense as well. Accuracy is also of supreme importance. What good is power if you can't hit what you are aiming at?
6. Hassan, Gamo, and other Brands- You mentioned a few brands in your comments above regarding Springers. Whatever I get will need to have good fiber optic sights with the ability to add a scope down the road. Which models in .22 and .25 cal with fiber optic sights do you feel offer the best value of accuracy and power. A reliable magazine is a big plus but honestly I'm more interested in accuracy and power...especially since you've mentioned the pellet pen.
7. Here's a bonus question-I've heard the .25 cal vs. .30 Cal debate in springers. What about .22 caliber vs. .25 caliber in a Springer rifle? You would think that the .25 would hit harder on targets....but "how much" harder in reality? You would think that the .22 caliber would shoot flatter and be inherently more accurate in a springer but " how much" more flat and accurate? In other words if hunting game what could you hunt with a .25 caliber Springer that you couldn't reliably hunt with a .22 caliber springer?
8. PCP- Their power and lack of recoil is super impressive. The only thing that pushes me away from PCP is the fact that you would need to tote around an air source for a limited amount of shots. Some dudes are using scuba tanks...I'm strong but I'm not THAT strong. Is there a small lightweight and efficient method of quickly filling a PCP tank so that is easily transportable that allows you to fill up and then get back to target practice quickly? Obviously PCP makes all types of Calibers possible because they are so much more powerful but then again there's the cost of ammo etc.
9. How to hold a Springer- Remember that Daisy Youth I mentioned? Well, I shot it much better as an 9 year old than I do now....As an adult my length of pull has shifted radically....but I also noticed that the 105 youth rifle jumps around because of the spring! I would imagine that this is will be much more pronounced with a quality Springer style Rifle....maybe I'm wrong. Anyhow, are there any good instructional videos out there teach the proper hold for Springer style rifles? Keep in mind the only technique that I know to use is the standard firearm hold. It sounds like there's a better way for Springers and I'd love to know what that is.
 
1. PB is not a brand. On this forum or whenever we are default talking about airguns we say PB meaning Powder Burner in reference to "real guns" Cause normally when people say oh I shot my .22 today they'd think a Ruger 10/22 in .22 LR. But this forum you'd distinguish a .22 airgun or whatever caliber from .22 LR or any other gun powder using projectile launcher or caliber by saying PB. Reason is this is an airgun forum and we don't talk much about the other kind cause there are more laws and regulations from 3 letter feds lol

2. Yes the pellet pen would work on an unscoped 901 for sure. Definitely better than having an open tin of pellets ready to spill lol But it may be able to get an angle under the scope if you have either higher rings or smaller diameter tube, that I'm not sure of. My friends is scoped with some 3-9x 40 or something generic $40 Amazon scope and envisioning it I'd think it's probably worth a try using the pen over your finger to load.
Unlike a springer, the 901 you'd just be loading the tray and the bolt will actually put the pellet into the breach. So in summary yeah get the pen and try it out. It is cheap enough that it's worth a shot for helping load with a scope on I just don't have one here to try it out on. You can be the guinea pig on that haha

3. This gun is really popular being it is Daisy 880 internals so even though you say you aren't handy I bet you could handle fixing a leak. The thing is held together with Philips screws of various sizes and is pretty straight forward. Just a few on left and right sides to pop the 2 halves apart. I fixed his last year and I just replaced the whole barreled action it's one piece I think. He shot BBs through his for like a decade so the rifling was worn vs the new one. On airguns the main thing that leaks is O rings and I don't remember there being any in weird spots. I'd just check out the schematic on JG Airguns or a video on YouTube This one or this one may help. That Amazon link I sent had all the major ones included and it was inexpensive kit.
I'm sorry I do not know of anything that lists where to repair airguns. Some PB gunshmiths do it but youd have to ask around locally. But honestly I think you'd learn a lot doing it yourself-I don't recall there being specific tools for the job. Plus, you'd be your daughters hero, too! But hey let's just cross that fix a leak bridge when needed IF needed. It might be just fine. Just put extra Pell Gun Oil on the seals when you get it and pump and shoot it to lubricate it all.

4. I looked around and found a video I'm guessing you are referring to here. Interesting stuff. If you arent confident in re sealing the gun yourself I wouldn't recommend you modify yours. Especially if it is for your daughter. Safety first! That's a lot more pressure in the tube. I see he replaced the plunger piston shaft thing too so that should help if the new one is stronger. But in reality I couldn't imagine wanting to pump 20 times for one shot. On my Avenger PCP the math works about 2 pumps on my hand pump for one shot. But I get 31+ FPE out of mine. Not just 13 or so. So while that's cool they can mod 880s and 901s I just don't see the point I mean it's a plinking gun if you want power get a break barrel or PCP. I'm glad you don't plan on pumping your stock 901 more than 10x cause that's more stress on the internals and I'd rather have a fun plinker like that last a long time and have a different gun for power. My friend and I joke we have "fun guns" and "work guns". 1st is for cans, 2nd for pests.

5. Well my friends dad was using some ammo I don't even know how few grains it was super light stuff like 5 grain or something so I'm sure that didn't help cause it would break the sound barrier and sound like a .22 LR. That ammo also must have been under sized because when he broke the barrel to load, then flipped the barrel back closed, the pellet would plop on the table occasionally. Slipped out of the mag. He thought it was the gun, which it is possibly true but I thought partly was ammo, so anyway he replaced it with a new same one. Once we got him shooting JSBs it was fine. So all that to say Gamo is alright but I might try out a Benjamin or Crosman (same brand, just Benjamin is like Lexus for Toyota, supposed to be better but you'll notice same design or parts on both lol) first because they are US based and have good customer service unlike Gamo who is in Spain. He got his from Bass Pro Shop and just swapped there didn't deal with Gamo.
Also, the magazine mechanism blocks the breach I do not think you can use a pellet pen in case of a mag malfunction. But you can ask around cause maybe these Gen 3 Gamos are OK or maybe you'll find a Benjamin or Crosman you like and have peace of mind for better customer service. Gamo and Benjamin springers are about the same price/quality. But Benji/Crosman has 5 year warranty and are US.

5. (You had 5 twice but I'll use it for ease of # matching later). You are exactly right the saying around here when people tout the marketing FPS is Well it doesn't matter how fast it goes cause you just miss faster. Marketing dept has the testing done with PBA pellets which are like 5 grains and so physics says light weight same power equals more FPS. But diabolo shaped pellets fly best around 850 or so FPS. So that's why typically heavier pellets are better for more powerful guns but there is other stuff at play like the heavier it is the slower it is so it is in the barrel longer so any movement or vibrations affect it longer but also the heavier ammo has more momentum and isn't affected by the wind as much.

6. Well I already mentioned Crosman brand and I suppose I'd stay behind that if you are just starting out due to the company being easy to work with if something goes wrong. There are other companies from other countries that make great stuff and it is cause other countries regulate PB guns so much that their airgun industry fills in the gap. In the US we just shoot PB if we need to so it's not that we don't put effort into the airguns it's just other countries literally can't do PB so all that effort goes into air powered ones. So some are like heirloom quality like Beeman R9 or Diana, This one is even more $ and its like $500 -800 for a one shot gun thats not high FPE like a PCP for the $. I couldn't pay that even for the quality. So anyway, Benjamin Trail XL has been a good seller for years but does not have sights. The Vantage has sights but is real basic. I personally have the Diamondback which has power but is like 9 lbs. The Nitro piston elite is nice and easy to cock and the baffles on the end make it quiet gun. The trigger is actually pretty good. No fiber sights but has some, i got the non scoped one and originallyhad a scope on but it was like 10 lbs long too. And this Hatsan seems to have all the bells and whistles just no magazine. Keep in mind they only make pellet pens in .177 and .22 that I know of.

7. Caliber question is debated a ton on this site. They'll say .22 over .25 for cost and FPS higher making you not calculate holdover as much. But .25 has more surface area to smack / cut hole in target and also more weight = less susceptible to wind so it may seem more accurate. FPS can be played with as mentioned before really light ammo is high FPS. But what we measure and what matters most is FPE. Foot pounds of energy. Airgun FPE Guide here is a guide you need to read and follow in general but not sspecifically. Once you know whatever you are hunting is legal, then you pick the caliber. Also it matters a lot what pellet you shoot. A JSB Hades does a lot of energy dumping right away but doesnt penetrate as much as a heavier weigh pellet. So would be okay for bird but not as much for raccoon thick skull. The ballistic coefficient of the pellet matters more if you are shooting further.

8. Yeah there are 3 ways to fill a PCP. A compressor, a hand pump, or a tank. They make tanks in all sorts of litre or cubic centimeters or cubic inch sizes. So those guys just have a big tank to feed their gun or maybe to fill a little bottle that they take with them to then feed their gun. The PCP gun has an on board, threaded on tube or bottle that's filled, it is not permanently attached to a giant scuba tank. People may do that for bench shooting though.
I got a hand pump and fill mine that way. It takes me 225 pumps to fill my modded, bottle converted, larger plenum (so ~360cc total volume to fill), Avenger from 2,000psi to 4,000psi but that's with my 4 stage pump which is less work per pump but pump more times. A compressor would be best but they're $$ compared to a pump. Same with a tank/bottle but you have to go somewhere for them to be filled. My 225 pumps takes like 20-30 minutes but that's me stopping halfway at 3k psi to cool the pump and watching TV or something. Compressor is like 3 minutes I bet and tank would be almost instant.

9. Yes it is called the artillery hold and basically your goal is to let it recoil the exact same way every shot so the vibrations are the same so the barrel is moving the same way and the pellet goes out the same way every shot. To do that you hold the grip loose and then support hand out front is flat like just resting the gun on it. Video , break barrel accuracy video
 
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