Daisy Daisy Powerline 7 series query

[graycrait]

I would like to ask questions to someone who is very familiar with these Daisy air pistols.

As an old guy and an air gun Noob I recently stumbled across these Daisy 7 series Powerline side lever pistols. I've been messing around with a Beeman P17 and read extensively on this design and find it hard to believe that a $40 pistol in today's economy can work so well and is sort of fun to futz around with.

I have a refurbished 717 inbound from Ebay and am as "amped" about it than I am the Notos one of my young friends thought I needed and I really really like. Then I discover that the 747 and 777 have Lothar Walthar barrels. Come On! How come the only US 10m shooter that has been competitive in the last 50 yrs that I see on Wiki, Don Nygord, is well known among the Daisy 7 series crowd? This fascinates me.

After the recent Hulla Ba Loo at the Olympics about the "Cyborg" Korean lady shooter and the "casual jeans wearing" Turkish shooter I am fascinated with this 10m business. Then I go to Champions Choice and see that every popular right handed target pistol is out of stock!

I don't want or need a $2K 10m pistol. But I am not above picking up a couple of old 10m training pistols that others have held in high regard. I looked for 46Ms too, because in my PB years I had a love affair with some Russian made rifles and pistols. But finding or affording a 46M today is another thing at my age. And would I even like it?

Anyway, I am more interested in these Daisy pistols and would like to know the folks on AGN who are knowledgeable about them.

Thanks.

 

[Duckfish]

I’ve had a couple, very accurate. I didn’t like the plastic loading gate. FWB 65 or 80 was a much better choice for me.

 

[Septicdeath]

Have the 177. Not powerful but a very accurate shooting pistol.

 

[marflow 777]

i have 8--717-747 what do want to know i have rebuilt more than half of them
so, the FWB pistols sold for over a thousand dollars and the Diasy pistols for a tenth of that it is not a far comparison
the 46m is a fine pistol and there prices have gone nuts
the FWB 65-80-90 are great pistols but their prices have not stopped going up
you have the Diana 6-6G-6M nice pistols but the trigger could be better
the Diana model 10 great trigger hard to find and prices could be interesting
old pistols for the most part, are going up in price very fast maybe just right now
so, the Daisy pistols easy to work on were made for i long time parts are getting i little scarce don't break the rear sight there are no replacements
there are no LW barrels left to my knowledge so you can't take and make a 717-747 hybrid
Mike in Washington State

 

[wildcj5]

I had a 777, great pistol. Man the 717 pistols used to be dirt cheap.

Also had a 46m from back when they were cheap. Solid Russian metal and wood but a bit heavy. Awesome trigger.

Old Styer LP1 is also great but pricey compared to the above.

One of my favorites and I feel over looked are the early FWB C10 co2 pistols. Amazing trigger, all metal and wood. 200 plus shots on a fill. Easy to reseal and the seals are available. I fill mine from a 20lb co2 tank with a siphon tube. Without the tube you will need to turn the tank upside down. Tank can be picked up at a gas supply shop and a fill will last you years.

 

[AirNGasman]

When I got into NRA Air Pistol Silhouette competition in the 1980s many of the NRA Silhouette national records had been posted with Daisy 7XX series pistols. Talk about bang for the buck; that, in itself, speaks VOLUMES!

Of course shortly thereafter those records were eclipsed by more sophisticated air pistols (read that "vastly more expensive European target guns"). In fact, I tied the Scope Pistol record myself with an FAS 604 (single-stroke pneumatic) with a 39/40 score.

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[graycrait]

One of my favorites and I feel over looked are the early FWB C10 co2 pistols. Amazing trigger, all metal and wood. 200 plus shots on a fill.

Are there folks who are converting C10s to PCP?

 

[JimBentley]

Great pistols! I first bought a 717 and did the "Nygord" trigger mod and it really helped. I found a new 777 later and it has a better trigger, better sights, and very nice wood grips!

 

[wildcj5]

Are there folks who are converting C10s to PCP?

Not sure, I’m guessing AZ could swap the cylinder with a pcp cylinder with a 850psi regulator. But not sure there is much advantage. For the what a 20lb co2 tank would cost it would be less than a conversion to pcp. The co2 is really easy to use.

Picture of mine.

 

[wildcj5]

The other one to keep an eye out for is the TAU7. Chech made co2 pistol along the lines of the 46m. The power is adjustable and uses 12gram co2 carts. I loved the one I had, sold it like an idiot.

 

[graycrait]

Picture of mine.

Is that a set up for bench rest competition? Looks like something Bill Calfee would come up with.

 

[graycrait]

so, the Daisy pistols easy to work on were made for i long time parts are getting i little scarce don't break the rear sight there are no replacements

If you know someone who does 3D printing there are free models to print that will work on the 7 series.

 

[Ricklin]

I've got my ten meter setup in the backyard now. It's time to work on me! 2 handed and the classic Weaver stance, let's really shoot pistols. Standing pistol shooting is challenging. No rests, no bipods, scopes are too flamin heavy for much of this.

 

[wildcj5]

Is that a set up for bench rest competition? Looks like something Bill Calfee would come up with.

It was set up in the 80’s with that scope and custom mounts for shooting silhouette.

I added the LDC and bipod mount. Yes, I shooting off my backyard bench from 10-60 yards.

 

[jkingrph]

I currently have several, 3 of the 777 model, a couple of the 747 and possibly a 717 along with a .22 model. Rebuilt all, plus a couple of 747 for my son and grandson. For the price they cannot be beat for a ssp. I also have two each of the FWB 65, FWB 80, and IZH 46m types. Really the 777 is a better gun, fantastic rear sight, and the cocking lever is milled still vs stamped, and a Lothar Walther barrel, Easy to cock and fun to shoot, As someone said, the plastic bolt. loadin port is not the best, but ok. It in no way compares to the quality of the FWB guns, the better models, I think compare pretty closely in accuracy, at least with me shooting. If you choose from the three makes I mentioned, the IZH 46m from Russia, a SSP, beats all of them, very easy to cock with that weird looking underlever linkage, excellent sights, easy to load with the pop up breech block, which you can pop up, then push down to dry fire, and that trigger, it is by far the best of all of them. Much more costly than the Daisy, and even when I bought my IZH new a couple of years ago, less than a used FWB.

 

[JimBentley]

The other one to keep an eye out for is the TAU7. Chech made co2 pistol along the lines of the 46m. The power is adjustable and uses 12gram co2 carts. I loved the one I had, sold it like an idiot.

I had one is .177, but when I found one in .22 I sold it. They are great guns but have become pretty expensive on today's market.

 

[holo07]

I have 3 they are great shooters in my basement range. Hardest part for me was finding the ambi grips due to the fact that I am a lefty.

 

[marflow 777]

left hand grips are a problem there was a set of 777 lefty out of the UK that were new and cheap on Ebay almost bought them for the Daisy bow of stuff but didn't
the story i got from Daisy on the left-hand grips, was the molds were lost in a fire and they decided to not replace the molds

 

[graycrait]

After shooting my NTM 717 I am hooked. Fairly consistent 365FPS with 7.9grn pellets. Now I have to find 747 and 777 just for the fun of it.