Daystate Daystate Alpha/Delta Wolf groups, tunes and photos.

Hello, the Delta Wolf in the picture isn't mine so i cant give you the dimensions right now. Ive ordered an Alpha Wolf Safari .22 with 28'' slug barrel and 580cc bottle, but im still waiting on the rifle. He'll probably arrive this week. When i got hm I'll give you the dimensions and ill post a picture in this thread so you can see the proportions.
And can you tell me how the barrel preforms? i haven't seen much accuracy results of the barrel jet so im very curious. And what caliber do you have? Would be nice if you can post some pictures of the rifle and the groups that you've shoot 🙂.
my alpha wolf safari .25 hp is my most accurate pellet shooter and it shoots around 800 pellets without fouling. even shooting 33.95g at 980fps is accurate.
 
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nice! is 33.95 at 980fps maxing out the power capacity? What is your shot count at this power?
Its slightly under a Warp tune which is max power and wastes some air with higher dwell time. I run 172 bar on the reg under the recommended 180 bar and slightly lower dwell time. I get about 2.5 mags which are 12 shot each. Rangemasters are the rifles prefered pellet.
 
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Its slightly under a Warp tune which is max power and wastes some air with higher dwell time. I run 172 bar on the reg under the recommended 180 bar and slightly lower dwell time. I get about 2.5 mags which are 12 shot each. Rangemasters are the rifles prefered pellet.
oke and have the dwell time a huge impact on the power to? like the Voltage? or is it more as a fine tune?
 
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I might also add that the short barrels are very accurate! The longer barrels need a bit more speed to match accuracy because they are made different polygonal v ? @Franklink can chime in about this.
Imagine one gun that can be .177/.22/.25/.30 and tuned within 10 minutes once you get the routine down
I don't want to come across as whining, but I know this is how it's going to so please pardon. I would love to do this barrel swap but how can I do a short barrel .22 and valve swap for under $900. I mean, sheesh there are plenty of good guns well under that. Am I wrong here? I hope I am bc this was a big selling point for me on this gun. Then I find out that it is $900 to do it. That rings the bs gong pretty hard.
 
3rd of sept: .I m considering the new performance. What reg pressure can be expected on the Delta Wolf .177 performance with 20g slugs? 195bar on the regular Delta Wolf for 20g slugs is alot of pressure.
Today is the 28th of sept and the answer to your question is nobody really knows but it is interesting. Another question is how it shoots with 22 and 24grain solids?..
 
just a fine tune since the higher the dwell time the longer the valve stays open even after the pellet isnt going faster so its just wasting air
This is second hand, I don't know this for myself, but the dwell time you want short as can give you the velocity you want because you don't want extra air following the pellet out the barrel.
Again, just second hand info, does this make sense or no?
It SEEMS to me that it helps my accuracy with .30 using JSB 44.75
Thoughts?
 
Today is the 28th of sept and the answer to your question is nobody really knows but it is interesting. Another question is how it shoots with 22 and 24grain solids?..
I have found the answer
The Delta wolf doenst shoot zan 20g slugs at desired speed 970fps. It needs smaller pin probe and bigger transfer port - both for more air behind slug. The upcoming dw performance should be able to handle it - just like the upcoming brk ghost performance
 
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Its slightly under a Warp tune which is max power and wastes some air with higher dwell time. I run 172 bar on the reg under the recommended 180 bar and slightly lower dwell time. I get about 2.5 mags which are 12 shot each. Rangemasters are the rifles prefered pellet.
Hello ... have you tried a different pellets? Like FX , JTS,JSB ? I have a AW in 25.cal , I have it for 3/4 months already and I’m having a hard time to do groups at 50 yard , I’m using factory setting so far, do you have any advice? I’m think that I might have a bad barrel, however I want to try different settings.
 
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Hmmmm .... Yes and no and hhhmmm.
When you make your own custom pellet og slug setting like as an example Zan 20 gr slugs.
You need to prepare to get three minimum 3 slug speeds. This is the maximum speed you can shoot them. The lowest interesting speed you will shoot the slug and minimum one speed in the middle of the minimum or maximum.

1. I set the required Pressure - (In my DW without the ultrafire valve I will need 195 bar to get even close to the max. speed)
2. Then i in advanced mode test shoot and find a Dwell time (or pulse value) together with voltage to get the maximum speed i can get.
Write down the achieved Speed - Pulse and Voltage.

Then I figure there is probably no idea in testing lower as 750 fps with 20 gr slugs.

3 I test shoot again in advance and find a Pulse / Voltage combination that is close to 750 fps.
Write all numbers down.

4 I test shoot the to find 3 to 10 speeds in between the min and maximum speeds.
For all these speeds I write down the Pulse / voltage.

5 Then I connect the rifle to the Daystate programmer and load the current settings.
Go to the factory Tab and under caliber i select .177 and 23" barrel.
Then I add now a new setting called "ZAN 20 gr."

6 I now select insert rows - I choose as example 10 rows. (The minimum for the automatic to work are 3 rows)

7 In these rows - I enter the data I collected from the test shooting starting by the Maximum speed at the top.
You can always delete. add rows before and after a row.

8 You will have to enter Actual pressure (The pressure you used when test shooting) also Optimal pressure and minimum pressure. Minimum pressure i guess is where the pressure is too low to reach the speed so it is more testing or a guess.
Optimal pressure is like for a mechanical rifle the the pressure for a speed where you balance accuracy and air consumption. like a little above the lowest pressure where you can get the wanted speed.

9 When all these informations are entered you can save your new setting to the rifle by pressing write,

Save your new rifle setting as a file with a revision note.

10 now you can take you rifle to the shooting range and start shooting with the Zan 20 gr. settings in factory mode.
Chose any speed within your minimum and maximum tested speed like 880 fps. Shoot 3 to 4 shots and its a "home run"
Now if you chose any speed you did not test in your chart like 770 fps, the rifle will calculate and guess the settings based on the closest lower and higher speed.
When it shoots it corrects itself until another "home run" :)
When you continue to shoot more and it shoots 4 shots with a maximum variation of +/- 4 fps - It will add a line in your table with the reached settings.
The new added line in your settings will look like the ones you made from scratch with Pressure, Opt. Press. Min Press. Pulse, and Voltage and it will be saved under your custom made setting ZAN 20. You can tell the rows added by your rifle since they have a "Target" symbol on the tabs row number.
This means that if you chose the same speed next time it will be correct from the first shot. More rows with collected data will be added if you change speeds. Choosing another speed makes it do new corrections until the speed is reached by itself - just as shown in the videos.

So to your multi question - if i change any parameters it will correct itself.
Yes but then if using the same like 13.42 and now shoots JSB 10.34 gr. pellets it starts correcting for all settings every time. In my head it is just a mess.
If you have dedicated settings for each projectiles, it remembers all stored settings and will be ready from first shot.

I will explain in the video too - But now the chickens are out - Its not that difficult - and I still do not know why the Daystate shipped without at least the 20-30 most used slugs and pellets in each caliber.

Best regards from Denmark.

Soren and I will show how this is done in a video shortly - be patient
Can the fatory set files/data you are making be shared so other .177 dw/aw owners can upload them to their rifles?
 
Can anyone point me to the thread with all the tunes that people have come up with?
That resource doesn’t seem to exist. Either most don’t mess with advanced or they just don’t talk about it ? A thread title can be just like this one and that specificity will not be addressed for whatever reason. I plan to look into Facebook groups. Possibly more useful 🤷‍♂️ I don’t know.