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Howdy AGN, I have a new Alpha Wolf Safari FAC in .22 23in barrel that is acting strange.

First issue: Advanced Shot Settings, every time when the rifle times out AKA powers off and then back on the initial shot upon powering on is nearly 50 FPS slower just like an FX with the reg creep issues. The reg is set to 110 bar.

Second issue: Factory Shot Settings, after setting the speed and shooting at least 10 consecutive shots that are within 4FPS, after the rifle times out AKA powers off and then turned back on the computer appears to go through the velocity hunting process as if a different speed was set. It does not matter if the regulator is set to the recommended setting 140 bar or at 110 bar.

I did verify the Wolf's chronograph is reading the correct velocities against my Caldwell and FX chronographs and they are all within 2FPS.

I have a programming pod on its way in hopes a re-flash of the software and looking at the tables to see what is going on may help.

This is certainly disappointing :-(

Any advice from you Delta/Alpha Wolf gurus would be appreciated.
 
On my Delta Wolf the two first shots after a period of inactivity are lower than the programed speed. First shot after inactivity hits low and at right.

I am of the idea that it is because there is a correlation among reading of chronograph and adjusting power by computer. So as the computer need two readings before getting set to desired speed, you have the difference in speed on those two first shots after inactivity and/or refilling.

That "indeed" is a disadvantage for hunting purposes.
 
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I think if i was hunting, i would make it a rule to " plant " a lead seed or two before i went into actual hunting mode.
CUZ i feel it is pretty normal to have some degree of abnormal first shot on any rifle.

These days, some times sitting idle for hours in the shot shed waiting for a mouse or rat to come out of the holes i get normal shots, but that's of course also just a few hours since the last shot.
If my rifle sit for days, then sure " fishy " first shot.

I chamber a pellet / slug and then de-cock the rifle, so i have to cock and hit record on the scope before i make my shot. ( not using magazine )
 
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slcrcflyer said:
First issue: Advanced Shot Settings, every time when the rifle times out AKA powers off and then back on the initial shot upon powering on is nearly 50 FPS slower just like an FX with the reg creep issues. The reg is set to 110 bar.

Second issue: Factory Shot Settings, after setting the speed and shooting at least 10 consecutive shots that are within 4FPS, after the rifle times out AKA powers off and then turned back on the computer appears to go through the velocity hunting process as if a different speed was set. It does not matter if the regulator is set to the recommended setting 140 bar or at 110 bar.
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1. I always use advanced settings. The digital settings don’t change, so it would make sense that the mechanical regulator is creeping and the ECU is just doing what it’s told. In your case it sounds like the electronic hammer and voltage isn’t enough to compensate for the addition pressure of a creepy mechanical reg on the first shot.

2. I never use the Factory settings. The system defaults when the ECU goes to sleep and you’ll have to take several shots to bring it back up to speed. Additionally I wouldn’t trust the “recommended” regulator pressure. The internal chronograph is a neat idea, but I only use it as a gross reference. Even after a chronograph upgrade my unit still reads 20-40 fps difference than my other 2 external chronographs. The internal chronograph requires frequent cleaning and will certainly affect the velocity/performance in Factory mode. One option is to change the length of time before the ECU goes to sleep (LMK if you figure out how to do that). But honestly, it’s unclear what scenario this mode is really useful for.
 
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Michael said:
1. I always use advanced settings. The digital settings don’t change, so it would make sense that the mechanical regulator is creeping and the ECU is just doing what it’s told. In your case it sounds like the electronic hammer and voltage isn’t enough to compensate for the addition pressure of a creepy mechanical reg on the first shot.

2. I never use the Factory settings. The system defaults when the ECU goes to sleep and you’ll have to take several shots to bring it back up to speed. Additionally I wouldn’t trust the “recommended” regulator pressure. The internal chronograph is a neat idea, but I only use it as a gross reference. Even after a chronograph upgrade my unit still reads 20-40 fps difference than my other 2 external chronographs. The internal chronograph requires frequent cleaning and will certainly affect the velocity/performance in Factory mode. One option is to change the length of time before the ECU goes to sleep (LMK if you figure out how to do that). But honestly, it’s unclear what scenario this mode is really useful for.
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Hmmm.... okay in advance mode the slow shot occurs when I wake the rifle immediately up after a 30 second time out or if it's a day later. I did verify the regulator isn't creeping as the pressure "set to 110 bar" is the same even after days of sitting and it recovers after a shot within about 4 seconds.
 
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slcrcflyer said:
Hmmm.... okay in advance mode the slow shot occurs when I wake the rifle immediately up after a 30 second time out or if it's a day later. I did verify the regulator isn't creeping as the pressure "set to 110 bar" is the same even after days of sitting and it recovers after a shot within about 4 seconds.
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Perhaps it’s just the pressure on the ECU then? Obviously it‘d be nice if the first shot was perfect, but not many Airguns can pull that off.
 
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Michael said:
Perhaps it’s just the pressure on the ECU then? Obviously it‘d be nice if the first shot was perfect, but not many Airguns can pull that off.
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Mike, thanks perhaps you are right. I'll be giving AOA a call later today to see if they have a any bright ideas. I'll hold off doing anything until i'm able to reflash the GCU when the programming pod gets here tomorrow from UPS. I never have this problem with my red wolf. So I thought the alpha wolf would be the same.
 
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Michael said:
1. I always use advanced settings. The digital settings don’t change, so it would make sense that the mechanical regulator is creeping and the ECU is just doing what it’s told. In your case it sounds like the electronic hammer and voltage isn’t enough to compensate for the addition pressure of a creepy mechanical reg on the first shot.

2. I never use the Factory settings. The system defaults when the ECU goes to sleep and you’ll have to take several shots to bring it back up to speed. Additionally I wouldn’t trust the “recommended” regulator pressure. The internal chronograph is a neat idea, but I only use it as a gross reference. Even after a chronograph upgrade my unit still reads 20-40 fps difference than my other 2 external chronographs. The internal chronograph requires frequent cleaning and will certainly affect the velocity/performance in Factory mode. One option is to change the length of time before the ECU goes to sleep (LMK if you figure out how to do that). But honestly, it’s unclear what scenario this mode is really useful for.
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The reg creep idea makes sense. As of about three OS upgrades ago, in Factory mode, when it powers down it saves the last used settings, then when powered back up it uses those for the first shot.

When set to a speed desired, as I’ve explained numerous times, set to the lowest reg pressure (+about 5 bar) that will give you the speed you want.

When the gun shoots two consecutive shots 4fps (above or below) the set speed, the algorithm will adjust to compensate. If your gun isn’t doing that perhaps the firmware needs upgraded to the latest?

From my point of view, if you’re only going to use Advanced mode might as well buy a Red Wolf.
 
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Centercut said:
The reg creep idea makes sense. As of about three OS upgrades ago, in Factory mode, when it powers down it saves the last used settings, then when powered back up it uses those for the first shot.

When set to a speed desired, as I’ve explained numerous times, set to the lowest reg pressure (+about 5 bar) that will give you the speed you want.

When the gun shoots two consecutive shots 4fps (above or below) the set speed, the algorithm will adjust to compensate. If your gun isn’t doing that perhaps the firmware needs upgraded to the latest?

From my point of view, if you’re only going to use Advanced mode might as well buy a Red Wolf.
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Thank you Centercut for chiming in. I did follow your "set the regulator to the lowest" method and while it did help a little the GCU still did the velocity hunt in Factory mode. Found the lowest regulator pressure for 18gr pellet 75-80 bar.

Going to check the software later today and then re-flash it.
 
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Well it looks like I found the problem. I pulled the valve out and found a sizeable gouge in the sleeve it fits into. It appears air pressure is leaking past the gouge to the opposite side of the valve.

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slcrcflyer said:
Well it looks like I found the problem. I pulled the valve out and found a sizeable gouge in the sleeve it fits into. It appears air pressure is leaking past the gouge to the opposite side of the valve.

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Hopefully your wolf is under warranty , if so
Ask for a replacement.
I had a ghost that had a similar issue and best I could figure is that machining was sloppy and bad QA left debris in body where regulator moved back and forth resulting in oring damaged and creep and eventually degassing. Although they could replace the orings and valve… the marred surfaces were still there so I had the gun replaced
 
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cavedweller said:
Hopefully your wolf is under warranty , if so
Ask for a replacement.
I had a ghost that had a similar issue and best I could figure is that machining was sloppy and bad QA left debris in body where regulator moved back and forth resulting in oring damaged and creep and eventually degassing. Although they could replace the orings and valve… the marred surfaces were still there so I had the gun replaced
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Wow well at least it seems to be a consistent problem 🙄.... did you get your Ghost from AoA? This is my first warranty manufacturing defect issue with a Daystate. My Red Wolf and Huntsman have been flawless.
 
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slcrcflyer said:
Wow well at least it seems to be a consistent problem 🙄.... did you get your Ghost from AoA? This is my first warranty manufacturing defect issue with a Daystate. My Red Wolf and Huntsman have been flawless.
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Yes from AOA and it isn't an AOA issue... it was a QA issue at the factory. I suspect the cleaning part of the machining process failed when they tapped for gauge bodies or threading stuff.... thus the trash left inside to roam around with other moving parts.... friction equal wear...wear equal failure.
AOA was right on their game and fixed me up. That said if the internal block is fudged request a NEW unit as machining post production isn't a good idea in my opinion. My second Ghost is indeed flawless and my two Redwolfs are flawless and my Wolverine Sapphire is flawless.
Scotch or Guinness on a Friday happens.
 
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